I found that outside of RT, my 6800 does 1440p just fine. No problems with, for example, Callisto Protocol.Imo, go for 6800, if target is 1080p mostly
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I found that outside of RT, my 6800 does 1440p just fine. No problems with, for example, Callisto Protocol.Imo, go for 6800, if target is 1080p mostly
IMO, the 7800 XT is worth the extra money and you still get Starfield.I’m going to buy either a 7800 or 6800 card. The only question is which one will deliver the most bang for the buck? Here is hoping the 7800 is actually some sort of upgrade. There are some leaked YouTube testing vids that show a decent improvement but I have absolutely no way to verify if they are accurate.
Price drop for the 4060 ti 16gb.If you can afford to wait, there is talk of a price war between 16gb 4060 ti & the 7700xt
$431 PNY 16gb rtx 4060ti here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CG2MX5H9Price drop for the 4060 ti 16gb.
So chance of another "jebait" & 7700xt launching at $400 (instead of $450?)
https://twitter.com/mooreslawisdead/status/1697504693805564382?s=20
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lolwoopty F'ing doo
That is an impressive showing. Need to find that data for 4xxx vs 7xxx.Not sure I follow you at all here, DLSS or FSR reduce input lag a lot versus native (like most thing that augment frame rate). Not sure what you mean by placebo effect, in fast passed multiplayer shooter reflex can reduce latency by 33% and more:
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In both the compared case ,DLSS2 and DLSS3 are not running the game at true 4K so it has nothing to do with that, I do not say lesser than native without reflex on.
i have no idea wtf amd is doing with these pricing structures.
7900XT is $100 less than 7900XTX
7700XT is $50 less than 7800XT
Here's the thing with those prices, AMD is using a mature TSMC node with an 80+% yield rate, meaning more than 80% of the Navi 31 or 32 dies are perfectly fine at their intended specs, leaving something like 13-15% in a state where cutting it down in some capacity stabilizes it, and only 2-3% completely unusable.i have no idea wtf amd is doing with these pricing structures.
7900XT is $100 less than 7900XTX
7700XT is $50 less than 7800XT
i cant wait to see how these perform. I get the aggressive pricing of the 7800xt, but $50 difference for a tier lmao. If they want agressive pricing, why not make the part $350 or 400
lol
That is an impressive showing. Need to find that data for 4xxx vs 7xxx.
I think the performance difference will be between 8 and 10%, so 10% higher price is right on target. 11% more core, 2% less clock, maybe 1% gain from memory bus/GB thruput. So on average 9% ish difference.
Edit: If the memory bandwidth causes a larger perf difference, they should knock off $25 on the lower tiered part. It is kind of weird that the more expensive part has better cost per frame, which is the case if it ends up having >10% performance over the 7800xt.
Or at least correcting.When Nvidia starts dropping prices you know things are bad.
Except some people do rationalize it. Usually by saying inflation and whatnot.Nobody’s looked at any of these prices and thought, yeah that’s where it should be.
Except some people do rationalize it. Usually by saying inflation and whatnot.
Do not at all agree with most of that analysis, but hey, whatever.Or at least correcting.
Last gen supply is dwindling, and big new game that many need upgrades for about to launch. All while the economy is in the shitter.
Nobody’s looked at any of these prices and thought, yeah that’s where it should be.
Covid was the testbed.Except some people do rationalize it. Usually by saying inflation and whatnot.
Covid was the testbed.
Companies found out real quick they could charge whatever they wanted and people would gladly pay it. Nvidia could sell sauteed racoon assholes on a stick and people would buy them.
I don't believe that consumer goods should be treated as commodities as they were. There was a time where a graphics card was worth more than its weight in gold. Thats a lot of money to pay for something that has a finite existence.Let's keep things in perspective. GPUs are hardly a necessary commodity and let's stop pretending that a 50% generational improvement in performance on gaming at the same price is some sort of God given right.
GPU prices are of infinitesimaly small significance when compared to the skyrocketing prices of food a the same wage. The food we buy on the shelf might as well be racoon assholes. It would provide alot more nutrition anyhow.
Round these parts we call em road side corn holes.I don't believe that consumer goods should be treated as commodities as they were. There was a time where a graphics card was worth more than its weight in gold. Thats a lot of money to pay for something that has a finite existence.
Also, I agree. I ate Taco Bell a couple weeks ago, in hindsight I might have opted for the racoon assholes if I were given the chance.
The reason for this is loans, or in this case, credit cards. People don't look at debt properly, and tend to see it as a monthly payment. This is why housing skyrocketed, both before 2008 and well as today. This is also why cars skyrocket in price. If you take on a loan, you don't care about the price of anything. For a lot of these people, it's a business expense, and by business I mean crypto mining. Just a matter of time before they max out their credit cards.Covid was the testbed.
Companies found out real quick they could charge whatever they wanted and people would gladly pay it. Nvidia could sell sauteed racoon assholes on a stick and people would buy them.
I suppose, but I know my supply of 3000 series has dried up, and all my circle who didn’t need to upgrade for BG3 definitely needs to for Starfield. Still lots of 6000 series out there on the lower side 6700 and down, but upwards of there it’s increasingly sketchy.Do not at all agree with most of that analysis, but hey, whatever.
The 7700xt price should probably drop by $20 to $30 then, as the higher priced card at $500 is likely right where they want it. Nvidia got blasted for gen over gen performance (gains/not gains) on the low end parts, so AMD might be in for some choppy water.Price shouldn't scale up linear with performance.
Yeah this is how some previous gen's played out too. Nvidia 2xxx comes to mind where Rasterization perf was about the same (for the price) and it was all about the new tech.It looks like the 7700xt will be about a 6800 and the 7800xt will be about a 6800xt, at least in rasterization.
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/l...able-performance-of-rtx-4070-and-rx-6800.html
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/r...k-points-in-timespy-(matching-rx-6800xt).html
There will likely be a bigger delta between the two when resolution is cranked (bandwidth) or when settings/RT is raised (vram).
Competition is good.Now that Nvidia seems to be dropping the 16GB 4060ti to $450, AMD needs to quickly drop the 7700xt to $400.
Same VRAM. But as stated the 7800XT will be worth the extra $IMO, the 7800 XT is worth the extra money and you still get Starfield.
Better quality H.264 encoding. AV1 encoding. Full support for all of the new FSR features. More VRAM.
Yeah this is how some previous gen's played out too. Nvidia 2xxx comes to mind where Rasterization perf was about the same and it was all about the new tech.
You mean for the price, because the raster increase was still quite good no ?Yeah this is how some previous gen's played out too. Nvidia 2xxx comes to mind where Rasterization perf was about the same and it was all about the new tech.
But they have older cards to sell. The XT will be at $399 in minutes so I don't understand your angle here.I mean, that is a factor.
Also, midrange/mainstream prices have improved this gen. RX6600/7600 prices are close to what the trashy 6500xt was. RX6700 prices are about where the RX6600 prices were.
$500 and above has stagnated a bit for AMD, but below that, it's been looking rather good.
A 7700 non-xt in the $400 realm would round out AMDs midrange lineup nicely and replace the 6700 line with improved RT.
Always wanted to know how to spell that. So many years wastedwoopty F'ing doo
Some might but I have no interest in frame gen or upscaling on high end or even mid-range hardware regardless of who's behind it.Now that AMD is going to do Frame Gen, everyone will be "oh cool!" and finally get onboard...
If you can afford to wait, then by next year AMD's price performance might look as below:The 7700xt doesn't look so great in comparison but perhaps the price will come down like the 7900xt did.
I already have a 7900xtx because I got tired of waiting for a good value during the last crypto boom and I was able to get a decent AIB card for msrp shortly after launch. I'm not thrilled that it's taken the better part of a year to finally maybe see some decently priced mid-range cards again but hopefully it's a step in the right direction for card prices going forward.If you can afford to wait, then by next year AMD's price performance might look as below:
7900 xtx = $750
7900 xt = $600
8700 xt = $500
8700/7800xt = $400
8600xt/7700xt = $330
7600 = $200
6400xt = $125
If you can afford to wait, then by next year AMD's price performance might look as below:
7900 xtx = $750
7900 xt = $600
8700 xt = $500
8700/7800xt = $400
8600xt/7700xt = $330
7600 = $200
6400xt = $125
People that make game for console seem to always find the upscaling to be the best compromise versus the tradeoff needed to run at native, now they tend to have resolution a bit high (would it be at the early 1080p) to now 4k and an audience that seat a bit farther, but they were making that choice when upscaling was way worse than what it should be by 2025.There's no free lunch and nothing I've seen convinces me the tradeoffs are worth it.
DLSS and FSR are just easy ways of lowering graphic settings. You could say that DLSS and FSR aren't running games at true resolutions. Frame Generation is still something that I feel creates fake frames, which brings the question if 60fps is really 60fps. It's just an illusion. I will continue to ignore these technologies in graphic card benchmarks, as these can be used to give inflated results. If your graphics card can't do 1080P 60fps without FSR or DLSS, despite what version it is, then your graphics card is inadequate.People that make game for console seem to always find the upscaling to be the best compromise versus the tradeoff needed to run at native, now they tend to have resolution a bit high (would it be at the early 1080p) to now 4k and an audience that seat a bit farther, but they were making that choice when upscaling was way worse than what it should be by 2025.
I feel the Starfield and co. type of game will make the upscaling tradeoff versus choosing lower setting more and more appealing to PC gamers as well.
Much easier way of lowering graphics settings but it looks way better than potato mode. High settings with upscaling at balanced looks and performs better in almost all cases than all lows with no upscaling at native resolutions or a lower non native one.DLSS and FSR are just easy ways of lowering graphic settings. You could say that DLSS and FSR aren't running games at true resolutions. Frame Generation is still something that I feel creates fake frames, which brings the question if 60fps is really 60fps. It's just an illusion. I will continue to ignore these technologies in graphic card benchmarks, as these can be used to give inflated results. If your graphics card can't do 1080P 60fps without FSR or DLSS, despite what version it is, then your graphics card is inadequate.
Depend on easy for who and what you mean by easy, how long did some of the biggest company on the world worked on those (Epyc Unreal Engine, AMD, Nvidia, etc... upsampling tech, how much giant machine learning and 16k learning dataset was made in the last 6 years for this).DLSS and FSR are just easy ways of lowering graphic settings.
1080p is not where it shine the most (at least not FSR), about no graphic card can maintain 60fps at 1440p for Immortals of Aveum, the 4090 barely:If your graphics card can't do 1080P 60fps without FSR or DLSS, despite what version it is, then your graphics card is inadequate.