AMD To Unveil Next Major Products At Gamescom 2023, Radeon RX 7800 XT & 7700 XT Expected

https://x.com/amdradeon/status/1695091014162112525
https://nitter.privacydev.net/amdradeon/status/1695091014162112525
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Wow, this is an exact repeat of the 7900xtx/xt.

The 7800xt just 10% more money with 20% more performance.

The 7800xt looks to compete well against Nvidia and older RDNA 2 products with improved RT. Should be close to the 7900 GRE performance wise.

The 7700xt should be $400 max. RX 6800 is a way better value and doesn't offer much over the 4060ti value wise.
 
$500 and seem to beat a 6800xt (by how much considering not a single slide compared it, they had 4070, 2070 super, 5700xt) but not the current $500 card champ.

At a quick look it beat the 4070 by 10% at RD2, it was by 5% for the 6800xt, watch dog by 13% it was by 5% as well, Cyberpunk the 5070 and 6800xt were close (about 5%) and now a massive gap.

Could make the current price of the left 6900xt look quite stupid and obviously the 4060ti series look stupid, that was already the case but just confirm it.
 
Rev. Night said:
LOL a full 'tier' of performance for only $50 more
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Wonder if it is an indication of aggressive margin (for that type of product) on the 7800xt

Maybe it will not be stable like the 7900xt being too close to the xtx at launch and done because of pressure from current inventory left. How do we sell our 6750xt-6800 if the 7700xt is $400 kind of things.

Has of now if the numbers are not massed one in some ways, look really good and better than expected for 60CU on the 7800xt and the 7700xt CU count better than what it could have been.

Aggressive price but where it needs to be, since 2021, when something seem clearly better for what you can find on a good deal, that good, that move it in the right direction and often product where just slidded exactly where the market was in price-performance instead of moving it.

The rumours of an upcoming unofficial price cut on the 4060ti 16 gb make sense they have a giant amount of room to do so if they want too.
 
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UnknownSouljer said:
That 80% of people buying nVidia aren’t “just” 4090 buyers. It’s across all of nVidias product stack. So even price being “an object” a vast majority of people prefer nVidia’s software features, integration, CUDA, access to AI libraries, DLSS, and drivers regardless of price vs an AMD card.
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One of the good sellers has been the 1660 super and the 1650 in 2023, I doubt the vast majority of buyers knows about CUDA or can name an AI library.

A lot of purchase of those cards are because they are the one in the computer on the physical shelf or amazon/bestbuy/walmart/costco/dell/hp/etc... website

If you look at the best-selling gaming PC/laptop you will tend to see a much bigger domination of Nvidia in the Top 100 then when you look at standalone GPU of the do it yourself people picking card that tend to know much more about the feature stack or its absence, at least in the western world.

Just being able to ship those OEM volumes in all the market of the world and business relationship is probably a good part of that 80%, Nvidia being so much bigger marketshare wise in some Asian market his probably not because they care more about CUDA.

For example, best selling PC desktop on bestbuy.com
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/pc-gam...0050002.c?id=pcmcat287600050002&intl=nosplash

Number 1 has a 1660 super that does not have DLSS support, you need to scroll down quite a bit to find the first one that ship with a Radeon (a 6500xt)

When you look at their best sellings stand alone gpus:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/comput...graphics-cards/abcat0507002.c?id=abcat0507002

2 Amd on the first row, we can tend to have a vision of the market of people buying cards (so much that people that follow that boutique market a lot will often not believe the steam survey and JPR report because they will not match what they see there at all, not taken Asia and pre-built into account enough), but a lot of cards are bought when people buy computers.

76 millions desktop pc sold in 2022, 37.86 millions discrete GPU sold in 2022, if 25% of PC are sold with a discrete GPU that 50% of the market that from pre-built and it goes mostly to Nvidia, AMD is more trying to get 35% of the do-it-yourself people would be my guess to be able to score that 20% and in the western world it is probably often reaching 40% and often outselling NVIDIA some weeks in some segment of the market.
 
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i have no idea wtf amd is doing with these pricing structures.

7900XT is $100 less than 7900XTX
7700XT is $50 less than 7800XT

i cant wait to see how these perform. I get the aggressive pricing of the 7800xt, but $50 difference for a tier lmao. If they want agressive pricing, why not make the part $350 or 400
 
Rev. Night said:
i have no idea wtf amd is doing with these pricing structures.

7900XT is $100 less than 7900XTX
7700XT is $50 less than 7800XT

i cant wait to see how these perform. I get the aggressive pricing of the 7800xt, but $50 difference for a tier lmao. If they want agressive pricing, why not make the part $350 or 400
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Well they want the 7800 to move, the 7700 exists to make it look better.

Then they can drop the prices on the 7700 when they need to clear them out for the 8000 series.
 
Rev. Night said:
i cant wait to see how these perform. I get the aggressive pricing of the 7800xt, but $50 difference for a tier lmao.
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Right now on the canadian and american AMD store the 6750xt is $420 USD, 6800xt are still above $500, make you wonder are free they are to price their lineup without breaking AIBs inventory
 
Lakados said:
Well they want the 7800 to move, the 7700 exists to make it look better.

Then they can drop the prices on the 7700 when they need to clear them out for the 8000 series.
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The naming of the 7800xt is odd. Could have been plain 7800 like the 6800.

There seems to be room for one more navi 32 sku with 48 CU (& 12gb). Maybe plain 7700 at $400 🤔
 
Rev. Night said:
i have no idea wtf amd is doing with these pricing structures.

7900XT is $100 less than 7900XTX
7700XT is $50 less than 7800XT

i cant wait to see how these perform. I get the aggressive pricing of the 7800xt, but $50 difference for a tier lmao. If they want agressive pricing, why not make the part $350 or 400
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It's 10% in each instance. Nothing weird about it.
 
Marees said:
The naming of the 7800xt is odd. Could have been plain 7800 like the 6800.

There seems to be room for one more navi 32 sku with 48 CU (& 12gb). Maybe plain 7700 at $400 🤔
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Maybe but AMD is getting away from gimping their silicon, the only way that part should exist is if the yields are poor and they are closing things off for binning stability. TSMCs node is mature enough that it should not exist to that degree, and that part would only serve to lower their margins on the 32 sku as a whole, Lisa promised 56% to investors and she aims to deliver.
 
Rev. Night said:
i have no idea wtf amd is doing with these pricing structures.

7900XT is $100 less than 7900XTX
7700XT is $50 less than 7800XT

i cant wait to see how these perform. I get the aggressive pricing of the 7800xt, but $50 difference for a tier lmao. If they want agressive pricing, why not make the part $350 or 400
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Guess they still have a sizable 6800 inventory. The 7900xt dropped considerably once 6900xt and 6950xt started clearing so likely the 7700xt will do the same.
 
RDNA 2 has alot more cache in the upper midrange than RDNA 3 so it's still kind of hard to compare architecture improvements.

Closest you could so would be to limit the clock of the 7600xt to around 1300 mhz and compare it to the 6650xt

That would get you both at around 11 T-flops, 280 gb/s, and 32 GB infinity cache.

Somewhat meaningless academic stuff, what really matters is $/fps regardless of nerd specs.
 
OKC Yeakey Trentadue said:
Guess they still have a sizable 6800 inventory. The 7900xt dropped considerably once 6900xt and 6950xt started clearing so likely the 7700xt will do the same.
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Well, to be fair, the 7900XT dropped considerably because it was priced way too high. That’s a $700-$750 card they wanted to charge $900 for and….the market dropped it to $750 in short order. Not surprising.

But yes, older inventory is definitely part of the pricing motivation, but the consumer is the biggest factor, and AMD also knows they need a mid range player eventually regardless of how many 6800s remain on store shelves because it’s one of the most popular market segments and Nvidia has been unchallenged there for months.
 
OKC Yeakey Trentadue said:
RDNA 2 has alot more cache in the upper midrange than RDNA 3 so it's still kind of hard to compare architecture improvements.

Closest you could so would be to limit the clock of the 7600xt to around 1300 mhz and compare it to the 6650xt

That would get you both at around 11 T-flops, 280 gb/s, and 32 GB infinity cache.

Somewhat meaningless academic stuff, what really matters is $/fps regardless of nerd specs.
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That was an architectural change, consistent across all of RDNA3 for better or worse it’s what they did.

It the same as saying well RDNA next has faster internal bus than RDNA previous so you can’t compare them. The only thing that matters is does it perform the same, better, or worse than what came before pound for pound.

And so far RDNA 3 vs 2 seems to balance out in the wash.
 
Rev. Night said:
i have no idea wtf amd is doing with these pricing structures.

7900XT is $100 less than 7900XTX
7700XT is $50 less than 7800XT

i cant wait to see how these perform. I get the aggressive pricing of the 7800xt, but $50 difference for a tier lmao. If they want agressive pricing, why not make the part $350 or 400
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Yea the $50 difference is just the same tactic they did with the 7900 XT. Nobody would buy the 7900 XT when the XTX seems like the better deal. AMD clearly hasn't learned anything from all this. I think the 7700XT will be faster than the 4060 Ti, but it also has less VRAM than the 4060 Ti 16GB while also only costing $50 less. It's clear that AMD wants people to buy the 7800XT. It's also clear that these prices are still based on Nvidia's pricing and not AMD's manufacturing costs.
 
7700xt has 346mm of die (200mm of GCD) and launch cheaper than the 335mm 6700xt did, both with a 192 bit bus..

4060ti his a 188mm card on a 128 bits bus that peak a 160 watts of power, the bom cost depending on the cooling solution could be quite big in nvidia favor here.
 
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Rev. Night said:
LOL a full 'tier' of performance for only $50 more
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I have to think AMD knows what they are doing here being a take-two. Obvious sell is the 7800XT just like the 7900XTX was. Bin poor yield chips and when you have a large amount dramatically drop price a-la the 7900XT and get a boost in sales for the newly priced 7700XT.
It is a weird strategy and being AMD needed to clear out the 6800/6900 stock when the 7900XT was released it sort of made sense to not make them an impossible sell at similar prices. Could be the same now with not wanting the 7700XT to choke the last of the 6700/6750XT/6800 sales.
I know everyone wants AMD to just price blast Nvidia, but it aint gonna happen. According to my above hypothesis, I don't think AMD would even have the amount of cards available to meet demand if they launched the 7700XT at $399. I mean a 7700XT 12GB vs. a 4060ti 8GB?
Just like the 7900XTX originally, they really only want to sell 7800XT's at this point in time as they compete directly with their own 6800/6900XT so that channel must be close to dry.
PS- they last of the sweet 6800/6900 series are about to get a last round price drop and stock will be minimal. If in the mood and have sharp reflexes a steal can be had.
 
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DukenukemX said:
Yea the $50 difference is just the same tactic they did with the 7900 XT. Nobody would buy the 7900 XT when the XTX seems like the better deal. AMD clearly hasn't learned anything from all this. I think the 7700XT will be faster than the 4060 Ti, but it also has less VRAM than the 4060 Ti 16GB while also only costing $50 less. It's clear that AMD wants people to buy the 7800XT. It's also clear that these prices are still based on Nvidia's pricing and not AMD's manufacturing costs.
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Yeah I have a feeling it'll be just like the 7900XT, irrelavent at MSRP but after awhile prices will drop to where it makes sense. 7900XT at $900 sucked, but it's ok now at the current $750-800. 7700XT is bad deal at $450, but once it inevitably drops to ~$380-400 it'll be more appealing.
 
Interested in seeing how the 7800XT performs. The $500 price seems like a good deal. Too bad it is 5 months late otherwise I may have purchased it.
 
If it’s enough of an upgrade over my 6700xt I might grab a 7800xt for the antilag+. (Assuming it’s actually good).
 
zehoo said:
If it’s enough of an upgrade over my 6700xt I might grab a 7800xt for the antilag+. (Assuming it’s actually good).
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If you are buying immediately then the 7800xt.

If you can afford to wait, there is talk of a price war between 16gb 4060 ti & the 7700xt
 
Flogger23m said:
Interested in seeing how the 7800XT performs. The $500 price seems like a good deal. Too bad it is 5 months late otherwise I may have purchased it.
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Because a lot of people were buying 4060's? In those 5 months AMD was selling off their RDNA2 cards at Nvidia's expense. It shows because there are reports of AMD selling as well as Nvidia.
LukeTbk said:
7700xt has 346mm of die (200mm of GCD) and launch cheaper than the 335mm 6700xt did, both with a 192 bit bus..

4060ti his a 188mm card on a 128 bits bus that peak a 160 watts of power, the bom cost depending on the cooling solution could be quite big in nvidia favor here.
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It's very likely that the 7700XT will be much faster than the 4060Ti, so it can justify the 200 watts draw. AMD wouldn't price it as high if they didn't know they had a performance advantage. The problem here is that the 4060 Ti has no business being $400 or $500, with or without 16GB. Which means the 7700 XT also has no business being $450. If nobody was buying the 4060's then nobody will buy the 7700XT. The 7800 XT might be attractive enough for anyone looking for a cheaper RTX 4070. It's likely that Nvidia will introduce the 4070 Super and price drop the 4070 and 4070 Ti, or maybe just lower the prices of the 4070 and 4070 Ti.
 
DukenukemX said:
Because a lot of people were buying 4060's? In those 5 months AMD was selling off their RDNA2 cards at Nvidia's expense. It shows because there are reports of AMD selling as well as Nvidia.

It's very likely that the 7700XT will be much faster than the 4060Ti, so it can justify the 200 watts draw. AMD wouldn't price it as high if they didn't know they had a performance advantage. The problem here is that the 4060 Ti has no business being $400 or $500, with or without 16GB. Which means the 7700 XT also has no business being $450. If nobody was buying the 4060's then nobody will buy the 7700XT. The 7800 XT might be attractive enough for anyone looking for a cheaper RTX 4070. It's likely that Nvidia will introduce the 4070 Super and price drop the 4070 and 4070 Ti, or maybe just lower the prices of the 4070 and 4070 Ti.
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It was also reported a while back that Nvidia had said in an investor call that they were putting a portion of the 4000 series sales into a slush fund to deal with cost reduction programs should it become necessary as they did not believe that their pricing was sustainable long term.
 
Rev. Night said:
The 7900XTX i got was a huge upgrade over my 6700xt. These [H] sale forums have some great bargains, i got my reference for $825 shipped
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I don't live in the USA so the sale forums are no good for me ;-). Depending on benchmarks of the 7800xt I might grab a 7900xtx instead. But it's really only the antitlag+ I'm interested in since antilag has disappointing performance in comparison to reflex.
 
I’m going to buy either a 7800 or 6800 card. The only question is which one will deliver the most bang for the buck? Here is hoping the 7800 is actually some sort of upgrade. There are some leaked YouTube testing vids that show a decent improvement but I have absolutely no way to verify if they are accurate.
 
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