NVIDIA rumored to be preparing GeForce RTX 4080/4070 SUPER cards

Decko87 said:
It's not though? This looks on par / slightly better than the 3080 ti
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For the games that I play and at the resolution I have them set for, the 3080 is better or equal to. Pretty pathetic.
 
techie81 said:
For the games that I play and at the resolution I have them set for, the 3080 is better or equal to. Pretty pathetic.
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... and those games are what, and what resolution? The card is faster overall by a healthy margin and has more vram.
 
Based on Tech Spot's averages at 4k, the 4070 S and 3080 are pretty close. Looks like if you want an upgrade from a 3080 and don't want to wait for the 5xxx series, you'll need to start at the 4070 Ti Super.
 
OutOfPhase said:
As a 3080 owner - I still do not see any reasonable perf/price upgrade from a 3080 (staying in that lane). Unless I'm missing something.
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I'm thinking of getting the 4070ti super.... It'll be around 30-40% faster than my 3080 plus have frame generation and more vram. Just deciding whether I want to hold out for the 5xxx or not. I wouldn't mind the boost and frame gen is in a lot of games I'm playing now which would rock.
 
GoldenTiger said:
I'm thinking of getting the 4070ti super.... It'll be around 30-40% faster than my 3080 plus have frame generation and more vram. Just deciding whether I want to hold out for the 5xxx or not. I wouldn't mind the boost and frame gen is in a lot of games I'm playing now which would rock.
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Yeah I might be in the same boat if I was on 3080. With the 3080 Ti I think I can tough it through to 50-series and hopefully get an actually worthwhile enough upgrade without shelling out for the top end card.

At least that's the hope.

I don't really see a point in upgrading to anything less than a 4090 right now for my 4k display and I don't want to spend that much so here we are.
 
Endgame said:
Based on Tech Spot's averages at 4k, the 4070 S and 3080 are pretty close. Looks like if you want an upgrade from a 3080 and don't want to wait for the 5xxx series, you'll need to start at the 4070 Ti Super.
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this should have been known as soon as the 40 Super series was first announced...plus the 12GB VRAM is still horrible...4070 Ti Super at a minimum is what I'm waiting for

the 4070 non-Super was pretty much equivalent to the 3080...with the 4070 Super it's now pretty much equivalent to the 3080 Ti
 
So is it confirmed these are all arriving with the revised 12V-2x6? Was reading this review at TPU, and it mentions:

All GeForce RTX 4070 Super graphics cards use the 12+4 pin ATX 12VHPWR connector, an adapter cable is included in the box.
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I'm assuming said adapter cable is 12V-2x6?
 
rumors have the 4070 Ti at close to 4080 performance levels...that would be a nice pickup...I was tempted to pick up a 4080 but it was a terrible value at $1200
 
Liqq said:
yeah, I almost bit on the 7900XTX for $799 last week but I want good ray tracing performance as well. Frankly though I was surprised it was up for a couple hours at that price.
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You get 3090 to 3090 Ti RT ray tracing from the 7900XTX. At $799, that card is absolutely worth it.
 
HockeyJon said:
You get 3090 to 3090 Ti RT ray tracing from the 7900XTX. At $799, that card is absolutely worth it.
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I really don't upgrade GPUs often, usually skip a couple generations so I was thinking more long term. If I did upgrade my 3070 this generation it would be for 4k gaming with ray tracing, dlss etc but mainly I'm really needing that 3070 in another system.
 
Waiting on the 4080S/4070TiS and then I'll wait a little while longer to see what AMD is going to do (if they drop the 7900XTX to $700-$800 I might try it instead). The 2080ti is still doing fine at 3440x1440 but I'm feeling the urge to have something new and it would make a sweet upgrade for the 4GB RX570 in my son's PC.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Which is far slower than a 4xxx card, in the case of a 4090 it's nearly double, a 4070ti will be a solid 40-50 percent faster.
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4090 costs twice as much as a 7900XTX and at 800 bucks in the current market no one is expecting top tier performance in all categories. The 7900XTX is also faster at raster then every card except the 4090 which most people care about over Ray Tracing.
 
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Bankie said:
Waiting on the 4080S/4070TiS and then I'll wait a little while longer to see what AMD is going to do (if they drop the 7900XTX to $700-$800 I might try it instead). The 2080ti is still doing fine at 3440x1440 but I'm feeling the urge to have something new and it would make a sweet upgrade for the 4GB RX570 in my son's PC.
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I’d be surprised if AMD doesn’t do some kind of price drop on the XTX. They already did a (“temporary”) drop on the XT after the launch of the 4070S. Egg has the XTs for as low as $710 now.

I don’t have a GPU right now so the current XT price is super tempting but I’m waiting to see what happens with the XTX, along with the performance of the other two Super cards, before pulling the trigger.
 
hopefully the 4070ti Supers and 4080 Supers are disasters as well. We need price drops across the board.
 
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Gideon said:
4090 costs twice as much as a 7900XTX and at 800 bucks in the current market no one is expecting top tier performance in all categories. The 7900XTX is also faster at raster then every card except the 4090 which most people care about over Ray Tracing.
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Hence why I mentioned the 4070ti super as well ;). It's going to be close to the 7900XTX on raster and way faster on raytracing as I said. It will be priced at just $800.

Add in better frame generation support, dlss, drivers, Cuda support, productivity boosts, and other pluses to the Nvidia ecosystem and it's a no-brainer to go 4070ti super or 4080 super over the amd option. :)
 
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GoldenTiger said:
Hence why I mentioned the 4070ti super as well ;). It's going to be close to the 7900XTX on raster and way faster on raytracing as I said. It will be priced at just $800.

Add in better frame generation support, dlss, drivers, Cuda support, productivity boosts, and other pluses to the Nvidia ecosystem and it's a no-brainer to go 4070ti super or 4080 super over the amd option. :)
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4070TiS has less raster than 4080.
People who think 4070TiS are getting 4080 or above performance level are in for a rude awakening.

The 4080S is only getting around a 5% improvement. What, you think the 4070TiS is also going to be faster than it too or that the price differential for 5% is $200? Although the 80 series this gen has been skewed by being in a no man’s land price class, nVidia is actually trying to sell 4080s’ this time around.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Which is far slower than a 4xxx card, in the case of a 4090 it's nearly double, a 4070ti will be a solid 40-50 percent faster.
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Yeah, the 4090 has an MSRP of $600 USD higher than the 7900XTX. I’d sincerely hope it performs better. The 4090 is so expensive that I actually bought a 7900XTX and a 32” 4K 144Hz IPS monitor and still had a few hundred dollars CAD leftover than had I bought a 4090 instead. Yeah, the 4090 is a better card, I’m just not interested in spending that kind of money. Also, he said he saw the 7900XTX for $800. That’s far less than what a 4090 is going for right now.

The 4070Ti has 12GB VRAM on a 192-bit memory bus for $800 USD. No thanks. If you want it, go ahead. As a matter of fact, as an Nvidia shareholder, I’m ok with you buying as many as you can. The more you buy, the more you save.
 
PeaKr said:
Dunno how legit this site is but it should stoke up the [H]ard Forums fire a bit. Seems the 4070 Super is disaster.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/rtx-4070-super-sales
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makes sense as the 4070 Super doesn't seem like a great card for high end gaming, especially with the 12GB VRAM (maybe if you're playing at 1080p it makes sense)...the 4080 Super is maybe 5% better performance than a 4080 non-Super...so it's basically a 4080 at a cheaper price

the 4070 Ti Super is the most interesting to me because it's rumored to be really close in performance to a 4080 non-Super at $800...still not an ideal price but much better than $1200 (4080 non-Super) or $999 (4080 Super)
 
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Will some idea looking at the best selling GPUs list on the amazon-newegg-etc... around the world in a week or 2, but that would not be that surprising if it is the case, specially for anything that do not stay closely at msrp.

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-Graphics-Cards/zgbs/pc/284822

Already a Top 3 for the Asus 4070 super OC sold at a nice $610 (for a 4070 super from Asus with OC in the name), 3 sku in the Top 20.... already.

Do not feel terrible, for the nothing that inspiring offer, could have sold really well in 2022.
 
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LukeTbk said:
Will some idea looking at the best selling GPUs list on the amazon-newegg-etc... around the world in a week or 2, but that would not be that surprising if it is the case, specially for anything that do not stay closely at msrp.

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-Graphics-Cards/zgbs/pc/284822

Already a Top 3 for the Asus 4070 super OC sold at a nice $610 (for a 4070 super from Asus with OC in the name), 3 sku in the Top 20.... already.

Do not feel terrible, for the nothing that inspiring offer, could have sold really well in 2022.
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It's amazing that the 3060 remains at the top of that list.

#11 is an RX 580 from a board partner I've never heard of.

Sorry, what year is it?
 
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HockeyJon said:
Yeah, the 4090 has an MSRP of $600 USD higher than the 7900XTX. I’d sincerely hope it performs better. The 4090 is so expensive that I actually bought a 7900XTX and a 32” 4K 144Hz IPS monitor and still had a few hundred dollars CAD leftover than had I bought a 4090 instead. Yeah, the 4090 is a better card, I’m just not interested in spending that kind of money. Also, he said he saw the 7900XTX for $800. That’s far less than what a 4090 is going for right now.

The 4070Ti has 12GB VRAM on a 192-bit memory bus for $800 USD. No thanks. If you want it, go ahead. As a matter of fact, as an Nvidia shareholder, I’m ok with you buying as many as you can. The more you buy, the more you save.
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I meant the ti super obviously... Just forgot to type the extra word :p. He didn't say he saw an xtx at 799, he was speculating.
 
UnknownSouljer said:
4070TiS has less raster than 4080.
People who think 4070TiS are getting 4080 or above performance level are in for a rude awakening.

The 4080S is only getting around a 5% improvement. What, you think the 4070TiS is also going to be faster than it too or that the price differential for 5% is $200? Although the 80 series this gen has been skewed by being in a no man’s land price class, nVidia is actually trying to sell 4080s’ this time around.
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No, but the 4070ti super will be close to the 7900XTX in 4k, have plenty of vram at 16gb, and faster by a big margin at rt. Add on all the Nvidia goodies and it's a no brainer at $200 less than the 7900XTX.
 
GoldenTiger said:
No, but the 4070ti super will be close to the 7900XTX in 4k, have plenty of vram at 16gb, and faster by a big margin at rt. Add on all the Nvidia goodies and it's a no brainer at $200 less than the 7900XTX.
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The 7900XTX is faster than the 4080 in raster. If you think that the 4070TiS is going to exceed the 4080 and therefore the 7900XTX, you have another thing coming. I don't think I need to requote myself for the rest.

And if you think that the 7900XTX is going to be priced at $1000 going forward then you haven't been paying attention at all to the market. AMD will reposition pricing of the cards. You're making a lot of assumptions, AMD will definitely not make it an even fight in terms of pricing. They already repriced the 7900XT with official price drops before the 4070TiS launch. I anticipate they will do the same with the 7900XTX with the 4080S launch.

EDIT: If you think that the additional price differential for an nVidia card is "worth it", that is an entirely different contention. You prefer nVidia cards, that's fine. But "the math" isn't going to be the way you've described it in your posts. I think there will be plenty of reasons to choose a 7900XTX OR a 4080S (or 4070TiS) going forward and it will mostly come down to pricing and whether or not you believe as you say: "nVidia goodies" are worth that extra price or not. Same as it's ever been.
 
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UnknownSouljer said:
People who think 4070TiS are getting 4080 or above performance level are in for a rude awakening.
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Do they exist ?

The 4070ti super has 17.5% less core, the sku seem to clearly indicate to consumer that it will be a lesser card, etc...
 
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LukeTbk said:
Do they exist ?

The 4070ti super has less 17.5% less core, the sku seem to clearly indicate to consumer that it will be a lesser card, etc...
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Yeah. A lot of folks are saying that the 4070TiS is "a 4080 for $800". Especially in rumors land. nVidia has very intentionally positioned the 4070TiS lower than the 4080 as to at least not entirely piss off the few 4080 owners out there. That and they still have to liquidate remaining 4080 stock in the meantime.

There is also the fact that the 4080S just simply didn't have more silicon to "grow into" on AD103, and it's going to have a 5% gain using the full die. They also simply don't want to push the 4070TiS against the 4080S, and they want enough of a performance delta to make the $200 price difference be "worth it".
 
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PeaKr said:
Dunno how legit this site is but it should stoke up the [H]ard Forums fire a bit. Seems the 4070 Super is disaster.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/rtx-4070-super-sales
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4070 super, despite performing about 10fps better than the 4070, is still a shit buy at 600+.

Even if it had 16gb of RAM, the performance for $600-$700, is not a good value.

The best way to get something like this right now, is to buy an open box Gigabyte Windforce 4070, from Bestbuy.
 
HockeyJon said:
#11 is an RX 580 from a board partner I've never heard of.

Sorry, what year is it?
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It's the year where that's about the only card around $100, that's what. The next cheapest card is twice as expensive, and that matters to some people.
 
GoldenTiger said:
I meant the ti super obviously... Just forgot to type the extra word :p. He didn't say he saw an xtx at 799, he was speculating.
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Ah. Yes, the Ti Super is far improved. It would need DLSS to get that margin over the 7900XTX though at 4K I would imagine. In any case, I'd content the only card I'd consider to be 4K with RT on is the 4090, but that's just me.

I'm not sure if he saw it, but I did see that the Merc dropped to that price a few weeks ago, at least on a temporary basis. A 7900XTX for $800 is a deal, at least in the current market.
 
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