AMD To Unveil Next Major Products At Gamescom 2023, Radeon RX 7800 XT & 7700 XT Expected

LukeTbk said:
The talk about it that should be a $400 card, I am not sure if it is possible for a perfect die, that amount of die, 256 bit bus, etc...
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Isn't the i/o die on 6nm tho (6nm is priced same as TSMC 7nm)

So once the current oversupply based on previous high covid prices is cleared out, I would expect fresh supply (whenever that happens) to be much cheaper.

No reason that the 7800xt can't be sold (with a healthy profit margin) for $400, imo.
 
NightReaver said:
True, but I noticed an uptick in people trying to rationalize the 4070.

No. Stomp that fire out. It's bad.
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Eh, it's not bad at all. $100+ cheaper than what the 3080 was, more vram, slightly faster, runs much cooler with lower wattage, and has frame generation. What's not to like?

All of the 4xxx series is pretty good, really. Especially the 4090 which is $100 more than the 3090 but 75%+ faster in raster and more in raytracing, has frame gen, uses around the same power but comes with a huge honking cooler, etc.

The 4080 is pretty much a linear downgrade from that on price perf, and the 4070ti is a good value for its price.
 
Marees said:
Isn't the i/o die on 6nm tho (6nm is priced same as TSMC 7nm)
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Yes Navi 32 is still chiplet

GCD Size: 200mm² (5nm)
MCD Size: 36.6 mm² x4 (146.4mm² of 6nm)

Could look like a small GCD die with 200mm that bigger than a whole 4060ti and 346mm total bigger than a 294mm 4070ti, a 7950x has 142mm of 5mm die and does not come with its own little motherboard.

They would mean cutting the 7700xt price by has much and than the 7600 does not make any sense, who knows but it would be aggressive, specially if RDNA 2 dry up
 
Lakados said:
people who already paid for a 4070...
Incoming Nvidia price cuts in 5, 4, 3, ...
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Depends when you bought it. I think I've had mine for around 5 months, played a number of games on it, and I think my total cost was around $290 after selling my RTX 3070. The overall upgrade cost was not too far off from my 1070 to 2070 or 2070 to 3070 upgrade. I could have waited almost half a year for a price cut but the cost to me would be the same or more, given the devaluation of my 3070 and lack of Diablo 4. I think my choice was the right one for me.

That being said, I still think the 4070 is over priced for what it is. $400-450 is the right price for it. 7800 XT should be priced the same. 7700 XT is a nice card as well, but it is more like a $350-380 card, IMO. The 7800 XT is just an odd name. It really is a "7700", and arguably the 4070 is more in line with the "**60 Ti". I know AMD is marketing it as a successor to the 6800 XT but it doesn't perform quite like a *800 part, IMO. But they seem to be copying Nvidia, raising the price on lower end parts and putting a higher end name on them. Despite that the 7800 XT is still probably the best value GPU this generation, IMO, as of now.
 
Flogger23m said:
I know AMD is marketing it as a successor to the 6800 XT
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I wonder if it is not more marketed as a replacement for the 6800xt in some way, similar price at the moment, same name, none of the marketing I saw ever compared the 7800xt to a 6800-6800xt, never giving any impression that it is the succossor that could interest the usual frequent x800 buyer class card.

A bit like how much we see versus Turing in Lovelace 60 class GPU and little direct comparison with the 3060-3060ti, seem more like replacing the 3060 by something cheaper to make than a successor that could interest an 3060 owner.

There is a big market of 5700xt-pascal-2060/2070 that his being aimed at.
 
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LukeTbk said:
I wonder if it is not more marketed as a replacement for the 6800xt in some way, similar price, same name, none of the marketing I saw ever compared the 7800xt to a 6800-6800xt, never giving any impression that it is the succossor that could interest the usual frequent x800 buyer class card.

A bit like how much we see versus Turing in Lovelace 60 class GPU and little direct comparison with the 3060-3060ti, seem more like replacing the 3060 by something cheaper to make than a successor that could interest an 3060 owner.

There is a big market of 5700xt-pascal-2060/2070 that his being aimed at.
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AMD has said it’s the replacement to the 6800 NOT the 6800xt, regardless of what the naming would make you think.
 
Lakados said:
AMD has said it’s the replacement to the 6800 NOT the 6800xt, regardless of what the naming would make you think.
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Do you mean successor or replacement here ? the 7800xt performance-price seem much closer to the 6800xt than 6800 imo
 
Lakados said:
AMD has said it’s the replacement to the 6800 NOT the 6800xt, regardless of what the naming would make you think.
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Pretty dumb naming scheme then it has to be said. That's like saying the 7900xt isn't the replacement for the 6900xt and shouldn't be compared to it. Is that amd basically admitting that everything this gen was shifted up a tier, hence 7900xt is really 7800xt (before this new one came out)? Which seemed to be the word going around shortly before or after the 79 series launched months ago.
 
Chris_B said:
Pretty dumb naming scheme then it has to be said. That's like saying the 7900xt isn't the replacement for the 6900xt and shouldn't be compared to it. Is that amd basically admitting that everything this gen was shifted up a tier, hence 7900xt is really 7800xt (before this new one came out)? Which seemed to be the word going around shortly before or after the 79 series launched months ago.
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Yup, not liking it. Started with the 4080 and still going on with the AMD lineup.
 
Chris_B said:
Pretty dumb naming scheme then it has to be said. That's like saying the 7900xt isn't the replacement for the 6900xt and shouldn't be compared to it. Is that amd basically admitting that everything this gen was shifted up a tier, hence 7900xt is really 7800xt (before this new one came out)? Which seemed to be the word going around shortly before or after the 79 series launched months ago.
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I think is more they are admitting they are done with this gen and won't be releasing anything else. So here we'll just stick XT on the end of everything. That way you might not think there is something better coming in a few months..... Well unless you count them digging up the XTX naming. LOL Ya AMDs naming schemes are a mess. At this point they should just drop all the letters and the numbers... just name them AMD Gen 7 Low... AMD Gen 7 Low-Mid... AMD Gen 7 Mid... AMD Gen 7 Low-High... AMD Gen 7 High. I mean how could they mess that up right? No way we would see Gen 8 Mid-mid-High right? Intel and Nvidia are bad with naming as well... but man AMD really can be annoying.
 
ChadD said:
I think is more they are admitting they are done with this gen and won't be releasing anything else. So here we'll just stick XT on the end of everything. That way you might not think there is something better coming in a few months..... Well unless you count them digging up the XTX naming. LOL Ya AMDs naming schemes are a mess. At this point they should just drop all the letters and the numbers... just name them AMD Gen 7 Low... AMD Gen 7 Low-Mid... AMD Gen 7 Mid... AMD Gen 7 Low-High... AMD Gen 7 High. I mean how could they mess that up right? No way we would see Gen 8 Mid-mid-High right? Intel and Nvidia are bad with naming as well... but man AMD really can be annoying.
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You mean Entry, Enthusiast, and Ultra Enthusiasts.

As they have been documenting? Because they only have 3 chips and that’s how they document them internally.
 
Lakados said:
You mean Entry, Enthusiast, and Ultra Enthusiasts.

As they have been documenting? Because they only have 3 chips and that’s how they document them internally.
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I was half joking...
But ya however they decide to name things going forward they should pick one and stick with it. having one gen with XT and non XTs... another gen with non XTs but with XT names. A flagship that gets a XTX dug up from a decade before. I mean the refresh parts getting 50s is about the only logical thing they do naming wise.
You and I can figure out what is what... but its this exact sort of BS that turns off the casual GPU buyers that AMD is having the hardest time capturing.
 
ChadD said:
I was half joking...
But ya however they decide to name things going forward they should pick one and stick with it. having one gen with XT and non XTs... another gen with non XTs but with XT names. A flagship that gets a XTX dug up from a decade before. I mean the refresh parts getting 50s is about the only logical thing they do naming wise.
You and I can figure out what is what... but its this exact sort of BS that turns off the casual GPU buyers that AMD is having the hardest time capturing.
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I know you were joking, but I find it funnier that things we would toss around as a joke they are doing for real.
 
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It's not like NVidia are entirely innocent either, that whole 2 4080's bullshit that people immediately seen through for example. Dunno wtf they were snorting in the boardroom when they came up with that one.
 
Chris_B said:
It's not like NVidia are entirely innocent either, that whole 2 4080's bullshit that people immediately seen through for example. Dunno wtf they were snorting in the boardroom when they came up with that one.
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Yeah, but they didn't actually release them that way at least.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Yeah, but they didn't actually release them that way at least.
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Maybe not, but the intention was there. Then their reasoning about '2 cards with the same name being confusing' was also a massive cop out. The 30 series had 10 gig cards, and 12 gig cards with the same name, coupled with LHR versions, yet somehow there was no confusion there. Suddenly everyone got dumber and couldn't differentiate between 2 4080's, with different amounts of ram, clock speeds and stream processor amounts, at least with NVidia's comically bad reasoning.
 
Chris_B said:
Maybe not, but the intention was there. Then their reasoning about '2 cards with the same name being confusing' was also a massive cop out. The 30 series had 10 gig cards, and 12 gig cards with the same name, coupled with LHR versions, yet somehow there was no confusion there. Suddenly everyone got dumber and couldn't differentiate between 2 4080's, with different amounts of ram, clock speeds and stream processor amounts, at least with NVidia's comically bad reasoning.
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Yeah. The 4080 naming was a scam that they then tried to play off, and finally had to relent.

Let's not forget the most recent "3060" naming.

I'm not a fan of AMD somewhat jumping on board.
 
NightReaver said:
Yeah. The 4080 naming was a scam that they then tried to play off, and finally had to relent.

Let's not forget the most recent "3060" naming.

I'm not a fan of AMD somewhat jumping on board.
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Both companies have fucked around this gen, maybe the public backlash they've endured will make them play it straighter for the next gen, doubting it.
 
Chris_B said:
It's not like NVidia are entirely innocent either, that whole 2 4080's bullshit that people immediately seen through for example. Dunno wtf they were snorting in the boardroom when they came up with that one.
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GoldenTiger said:
Yeah, but they didn't actually release them that way at least.
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The double 4080 thing seemed suspect from the beginning. All summer the rumor mill was (correctly) churning out yarns that the stack would be 128SM 4090, 76SM 4080, and 60SM 4070Ti. Only a couple weeks before the official announcement did the rumors shift to the 60SM part also being a "4080". We'll probably never know exactly what NV were thinking, but it kinda seems like a last-minute decision that backfired spectacularly.
 
Chris_B said:
Both companies have fucked around this gen, maybe the public backlash they've endured will make them play it straighter for the next gen, doubting it.
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Doubtful. People lay down too easily on these things.
 
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Nvidia may have known about the 7900 XT naming, making it appear two tiers above the 4070TI, hence the attempt at using 4080, I would have thought Nvidia just name the 4080 a 4080TI and then the current 4070Ti the 4080.

While I see many trip over naming schemes, I could care less. Performance/Features/Price is what is only important for my consideration.

The 7800XT is basically a 6800XT in performance at a cheaper dollar cost in a World plague by inflation from all angles. AMD did good here and add in a $70 game that many want is just more icing on the cake. Best new GPU buy for 2023.

As for Nvidia, anything below the 4090 is over priced for my use cases. At an absurd level.

I don’t think Nvidia is out of the gaming market, just constrained by Foundry output where as a company they are doing the right thing with AI chips over gaming. I wouldn’t be too surprised if Nvidia uses Intel Foundry for gaming cards, two fabs, TSMC for AI. Samsung can be in play as well. AMD is not in position to take over Nvidia market share, maybe a good dent but fab capacity limited.
 
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If I did not get my house painted for trading away my 1080 card I would not have got my 6900XT, paying a grand for a card was just nuts in my mind, but getting my house painted and a new video card for a grand was tolerable, got to love the mining craze. Sadly I feel the market will remain messed up next generation as well, as they continue to try to justify high MSRP's. At least with these new cards the prices are lowering a bit, but nothing exciting.
 
Interesting video.

The 12gb 7700xt doesn't make sense at 4K because it seems to run into VRAM issues compared to the 16gb 7800xt (or maybe even the 16gb 6800)

The 16gb 4060 ti by contrast seems to suffer at 1440p itself due to the 128bit memory bus in comparison to the 192bit memory bus of the 7700xt

Value wise the 6800 & 6700xt beat the 7700xt in Raster.

So the takeaway is buy the 6800 before the stocks run out.
After that consider the 16gb 4060 ti only for 1080p gaming & the 7700xt only for 1440p gaming.



View: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_LEBEqsCwiM
 
10gb & 12gb versions of RX 7600XT spotted in EEC filings.

I am guessing that these are also based on Navi 32

https://twitter.com/harukaze5719/status/1701591264003834252

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NightReaver said:
Yeah. The 4080 naming was a scam that they then tried to play off, and finally had to relent.

Let's not forget the most recent "3060" naming.

I'm not a fan of AMD somewhat jumping on board.
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Or the 1060 shenanigans.
 
Marees said:
10gb & 12gb versions of RX 7600XT spotted in EEC filings.

I am guessing that these are also based on Navi 32

https://twitter.com/harukaze5719/status/1701591264003834252

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Yeah, I saw this - guess RX6700 and 6700XT stock are finally drying up. It's a safe bet that both performance and price will be between the 7700xt and 7600, so yeah, pretty much new 6700 cards which is just fine as they are solid performers for the price and we will get a few extra features.
 
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