I think the solution is just to choose from the mobos that do. You're overthinking this.The am5 mobos I'm looking at either mostly don't
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I think the solution is just to choose from the mobos that do. You're overthinking this.The am5 mobos I'm looking at either mostly don't
What about this one?yeah sadly. but damnit, all i want is a fully PCI 5.0 system that also has normal speaker outputs. Oh and doesnt cost $400
wtf amd. It's like you dont want anyone to buy your products
damnnn. Thats money. I hate the mobo tiers. Like I get how E means PCI5 everything, but there are M and now Plus's. Like who made this up?
Curious, I remember reading that the 4090 doesnt even use up all of the bandwidth that PCI4 allows. Ergo, switching to PCI5 would be meaningless. Who cares if the speed limit is 200mph if your car can only go 80mph, right?
How exactly is this proven in its spec sheet. PCI4 is 32gb/s, and PCI5 is 64gb/s. Looking at TechPowerUp spec sheet of the 4090, the only gb/s mention is the memory clock, which runs at "21gbps effective". Although I do see memory is "1,008 gbps" which is way way more than the PCI4 or 5 max, so that clearly cant be the stat to look out.
What i'm trying to do is see where the past few generations of x7xx level cards are and try to extrapolate that into the future. Trying to see how quickly PCI4 will be obsolete and PCI5 will even matter
edit: for those wondering, memory clock:
2017 - 1080ti - 11gbps
2019 - 2080ti - 14gbps
2021 - 3080ti - 19gbps
2022 - 4090 - 23 gpbs
Assuming memory clock is the stat to look at, this trend shows that it took 5 years to increase 10gbps. Since the max of PCI4 is 32gb, and we are at 23, it may take another 5 years. At that point, AMD5 will very probably be EOL. And this isn't taking into account x7xx upper mainstream cards which are always slower, just the top halo ones.
Could it be that PCI5x16 is a lie??
Rev. NIght is looking for an PCI adapter which connects to the front panel connection on the Motherboard----and offers some 3.5mm outputs. Instead of running it to the front.
I spent some time looking today and couldn't find any PCI adapters. Found some old style front bay boxes. But....cases don't have front bays anymore.
I'm still gaming on my intel 6th gen Z170. Its a PCIEx16 3.0 system. Look at this TPU scaling article of a 4090, from PCI 1x, 2x, 3x and 4x. From 3 to 4, there is only a 2% difference at 1080, 1440, and 4k. If it will be several years before PCI4 is maxed out at mainstream cards, and the historical performance delta is only at most 2% for a halo card, what exactly is the reason to pay more for PCI5x16 right now?The way I look at it, the whole selling point of these CPU's and this chipset is that it's supposed to be a "long haul" solution. Most of us shouldn't need to update our CPU/Mobo very often, and in my case, I'm planning on rolling with this thing for at least 4-5 years. PCIE 5 doesn't matter at all right now, but in 4-5 years things could change a lot. Getting a board with an E is only marginally more expensive than a normal 650, so that's one more thing I don't have to worry about down the line.
I'm still gaming on my intel 6th gen Z170. Its a PCIEx16 3.0 system. Look at this TPU scaling article of a 4090, from PCI 1x, 2x, 3x and 4x. From 3 to 4, there is only a 2% difference at 1080, 1440, and 4k. If it will be several years before PCI4 is maxed out at mainstream cards, and the historical performance delta is only at most 2% for a halo card, what exactly is the reason to pay more for PCI5x16 right now?
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/28.html
You are correct and so is Rev. Night on the PCI-E Slots and their bandwidth. Hell, AGP 8X wasn't even maxed out when we moved to PCI-E 1.0 which was 10x faster... There are plenty of shitty PCI-E 5.0 boards out there. I have encountered at least 1 (out of 2) when I was testing the AM5 platform. While the signaling quality for the main PCI-E slot will be there it does not guarantee that the rest of the Mainboard is worth anything at all. AMD's naming conventions this time around are a convoluted mess.You're paying for a higher quality board due to the components, pcb layers and traces required to support PCIe 5.0. If you don't want or need that, don't pay for it.
Probably more like 4-6 Grand...You do realize that the 7090 will be like $3000 right
Theoretically this SB should support discrete 5.1 Channel connections.That bracket has line in, line out, mic. I would need front, rear, and center/sub. Unless the mobo allows to reassign audio jacks
it should, the audio chip supports it.That bracket has line in, line out, mic. I would need front, rear, and center/sub. Unless the mobo allows to reassign audio jacks
Agreed on the OTit should, the audio chip supports it.
still havent been able to find you a brackoot. there is one sound card that i found that has the same kind of seperate pci bracket that might work hooked straight to the hd audio header. this one: 7.1 Surround Sound PCI-e Sound Card, S/PDIF In and Out - SD-PEX63081 (sybausa.com)
this is going waaaaay ot though, maybe start a thread if you havent.
Start a new thread and we will be happy to help ya. We have nearly derailed this one entirely. I posed the pic of the ASUS Prime MB if that's the one you are talking about.yeah, i saw solutions like that. people here made it seem like the header cable would be an easy bracket to find. huge PITA, glad someone posted a mobo above that has them integrated in
the KS does beat the highest end 7000s, we'll have to see what the x3d looks like next month, but the KS is not worth the premium, imo. the 12900ks wasnt worth it either.Then let us put this thread back on topic.
Intel released their 13900KS top end model today (reviews). The one meant to take on Zen 4 vcache. Techspot gave it a pretty bad review:
"For gaming though, we prefer something like the Ryzen 7 7700X or the more efficient 7700 version (you can also under volt or use Eco Mode with the 7700X), those are significantly more power efficient parts that deliver 13900K-like performance for under $400. Then again, if your primary concern is gaming then you're probably best off waiting until the Zen 4 3D V-Cache parts land next month, and check out what they have to offer.
The Core i9-13900KS is a dumpster fire of a processor and at $699 most builders should ignore it. At the right price may be this could be a great product, you'd just power limit it for more sane operating temperatures, but if you're going to do that the 13900K makes more sense. Short of extreme overclockers, this is a hard pass."
Yes, all the current Realtek chips allow you to re-assign every jack. That's how they get surround sound from a PC with only 3 audio jacks built-into the motherboard: you connect the front panel output to your case (if it has front panel jacks) and then re-assign those as surrounds. And then you stupidly have surrioiud cables dangly off the front of your computer : \That bracket has line in, line out, mic. I would need front, rear, and center/sub. Unless the mobo allows to reassign audio jacks
You can also undervolt and/or power limit Intel's parts. 13th gen works very well that way. Even with a simple power limit, they only lose about 4% performance, limited to 150w.Then let us put this thread back on topic.
Intel released their 13900KS top end model today (reviews). The one meant to take on Zen 4 vcache. Techspot gave it a pretty bad review:
"For gaming though, we prefer something like the Ryzen 7 7700X or the more efficient 7700 version (you can also under volt or use Eco Mode with the 7700X),
Just start socking away $50 a month...Probably more like 4-6 Grand...
FYI - my 13900K is currently running and within .7 to 2.4% of the 13900KS running DDR5 7400 RAM. Benchmarks all pulled directly from the Hardware Unboxed Cinebench R23 ones they have listed. I didn't even completely terminate all my background tasks, I'm still running other stuff. I'm currently running it with a bus speed of 101.25, with a boost of 100 Mhz over stock and DDR4 4366 in Gear 1 on a 289 dollar MSI Tomahawk Motherboard. My RAM is Neo Forza, cost 139 Bucks and is at CL19. And I'm that close to the 13900KS with super duper expensive and fast DDR5 RAM. I haven't even tweaked my build yet for maximum performance. That was just a couple hours of benchmarking and stability testing. Totally Agree the 13900KS is an utter waste of money.Then let us put this thread back on topic.
Intel released their 13900KS top end model today (reviews). The one meant to take on Zen 4 vcache. Techspot gave it a pretty bad review:
"For gaming though, we prefer something like the Ryzen 7 7700X or the more efficient 7700 version (you can also under volt or use Eco Mode with the 7700X), those are significantly more power efficient parts that deliver 13900K-like performance for under $400. Then again, if your primary concern is gaming then you're probably best off waiting until the Zen 4 3D V-Cache parts land next month, and check out what they have to offer.
The Core i9-13900KS is a dumpster fire of a processor and at $699 most builders should ignore it. At the right price may be this could be a great product, you'd just power limit it for more sane operating temperatures, but if you're going to do that the 13900K makes more sense. Short of extreme overclockers, this is a hard pass."
As I said earlier, realtek lets you remap the audio ports. As long as it has 3 3.5mm jacks on the rear, you can map them to your 5.1 speaker setup. I did this on a b350 board before moving to a receiver so I could run more sources. No need for the audio breakout panel, but that could be useful if you want to run a mic or line in along with your 5.1 setup if there aren't 4 3.5mm jacks in the rear.6 channel output to my Z-5500s. On my current intel Z170 board, and every mobo I've had before this, it was green (line out), black (rear) and orange (center/sub). For AM5, I rarely see this. Some are SPDIF only, and some don't even have that. Like they expect we have soundcards, or USB speakers/headsets
software installed with the driversYeah that's always good to know. Is it a bios setting or mobo utility?
Sometime in February. AMD hasn't given a hard date yet. I don't think anyone knows for sure yet how they will stack up against each other. Frame Chasers on YouTube speculated that the 7800X3D might actually be the fastest chip for pure gaming due to the design differences in the chips (more latency going on with the higher core count chips basically). We'll have to wait and see though I guess.When is this coming out?
Which CPU are you guys buying from the X3D series?
I'm going to watch/read reviews before buying any of 'em. I don't necessarily need the amount of cores the 7950X3D has for my work, so I'm hoping one of the other models is better gaming option. Price may come into play, too. Then I'll hope and pray that they're actually available for purchase. It would be nice if Microcenter has a bundle discount of some sort going on, too. I want fast RAM, so I'd actually rather get a deal on a Mobo than free RAM. Gonna be lots of hoping going on in my house.
Theoretically, the G Skill CL30 is superior to it's CL36 counterpart. Only problem is it costs about 300 bones.You still get $20 off on the MB bundle even if you get the free G.Skill with the current AM5 processors. What fast ram are you looking at that's noticeably better than the DDR5-6000 CL36 that Microcenter is providing?
You still get $20 off on the MB bundle even if you get the free G.Skill with the current AM5 processors. What fast ram are you looking at that's noticeably better than the DDR5-6000 CL36 that Microcenter is providing?