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An AMD card Groped my grandma. Nvidia cards never did that. Checkmate, Radeon fans.
I also don't trust AMD's drivers. Completely undermines their cards.
That's just the world, my friend. These customers have friends who they play online with. They have youtubers they watch, They have streamers who they look up to, They have IT departments who advise them.
If you're a kid who gets a new PC as birthday present, and All your friends run Nvidia cards, and YOU run an AMD card, and when joining your friends online in a game, and YOU crash and nobody else has difficulty: You're going to get shit on by your friends for being poor and getting the poor man's computer with tons of issues. If your friends have issues and you don't: you're just lucky.
If you're an adult who has maybe two hours a WEEK to game and you just want something that is ready to go, and you see on youtube people talking about 5700XT black-screen issues: what are you going to choose? Yeah, these issues are almost all resolved
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but Nvidia cards never had these issues. You don't want to spend those precious few hours you have troubleshooting. So when you buy a new PC (something you may do only every 5-6 years) you go with the thing that you feel will give you the LEAST amount of grief for that half-decade you're going to be stuck with it.
Face it. The only way AMD can win in this environment is by being perfect. anything less than 100% perfection will be met with distrust.
You aren't wrong, except on the last bit. There is another way to defeat that stereotype for AMD. It's the same way Nvidia dug themselves out when the FX series was flopping and ATI was taking huge chunks of the market.That's just the world, my friend. These customers have friends who they play online with. They have youtubers they watch, They have streamers who they look up to, They have IT departments who advise them.
If you're a kid who gets a new PC as birthday present, and All your friends run Nvidia cards, and YOU run an AMD card, and when joining your friends online in a game, and YOU crash and nobody else has difficulty: You're going to get shit on by your friends for being poor and getting the poor man's computer with tons of issues. If your friends have issues and you don't: you're just lucky.
If you're an adult who has maybe two hours a WEEK to game and you just want something that is ready to go, and you see on youtube people talking about 5700XT black-screen issues: what are you going to choose? Yeah, these issues are almost all resolved
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but Nvidia cards never had these issues. You don't want to spend those precious few hours you have troubleshooting. So when you buy a new PC (something you may do only every 5-6 years) you go with the thing that you feel will give you the LEAST amount of grief for that half-decade you're going to be stuck with it.
Face it. The only way AMD can win in this environment is by being perfect. anything less than 100% perfection will be met with distrust.
Odd sentiment for a guy that ditched Intel the old reliable never get fired for using to get a threadripper because it smokes anything Intel has. Plus Nvidia had some fun drivers like this https://thinkcomputers.org/latest-nvidia-driver-is-apparently-killing-gpus/ or even hardware failures like Space Invaders RTX style. Been to plenty of forums and plenty of people screaming on Nvidia, Intel or AMD hardware that their system is crashing. All 3 have had a serious failure of some kind over the years, just some choose to overlook certain companies failures.
erek are you excited for RX 6000?
Pictured here, beats 3090 series' Triple slot by 2 slots
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-6000-big-navi-graphics-card-pictured-16-gb-gddr6-memory/
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Buy that launch AMD card at launch and tell us how bug free the drivers are...I can understand that point of view. Its just disappointing to see it so widely held in a forum like [H]. Where I have to believe after years of gaming everyone of us has experienced a NV driver issue... and or a AMD one depending which cards we have been loyal to. I get only a handful of us really go back and forth. But I really have had more driver issues with NV the last few years. I know that is a product of game choices... and I guess my mix of played games might be odd. Still I guess that is why warehouse deals on NV cards can sometimes be good scores lol... they get returned for driver issues just as often I would assume. But folks at the store are more likely to just return them then actually ask the customer if they installed the latest drivers.
Buy that launch AMD card at launch and tell us how bug free the drivers are...
I’ve switched back and forth between the two brands quite a bit over the last 8 years in my primary gaming PC, and mined with probably 80 different cards from both brands in 2017, 2018, 2019. Nvidia still has better drivers. No question in my mind. Once AMD drivers are mature (not launch drivers) they are 90-95% as good, but they have more bugs and longer lasting bugs than nvidia.
The other thing is that AMD will also have a paper launch. So if you want an AMD you are going to be waiting for a month+ after their launch too. —- and waiting longer for a stable driver on AMD than nvidia. It is expected, their driver team and market saturation is much smaller. I have no beef with a mature AMD driver, but I could spend the next 30 minutes describing bugs I’ve run into with AMD card drivers and about 2 minutes describing bugs I’ve run into with nvidia drivers over the last five years
Someone else buying a high-demand product faster than you and it becomes temporarily sold out =/= paper launch.You can quote me now. The nvidia launch will also be a paper launch. Do not expect normal availability for a month plus, at least. Unless you’re super fast and lucky or willing to pay scalper prices.
Someone else buying a high-demand product faster than you and it becomes temporarily sold out =/= paper launch.
Yes, but as these are issues affecting MOST PCs, these are 'normal' and aren't issues with Nvidia's products, they're just "issues"
Not having sufficient quantities for demand on launch is a paper launch. They move a few units but create artificial demand with purposely low stock. How many launches have you been around for? I can recall literally some of the first mainstream video card “launches”. And if anyone has figured out the game with launches it’s nvidia.Someone else buying a high-demand product faster than you and it becomes temporarily sold out =/= paper launch.
If you cannot provide sufficient quantities for day one releases, that’s a paper launch in my book.It definitely won’t be a paper launch because there will be inventory available for purchase worldwide. How fast it sells out and the lag time before it can be replenished is based on demand and we can all safely assume these things will sell out in minutes.
If you cannot provide sufficient quantities for day one releases, that’s a paper launch in my book.
Especially when you have had the capacity and ability to move these units out.
Make no mistake, nvidia knows how to play this card. Especially with amd launching months later..
Just because you stock a few hundred cards doesn’t mean it’s a good launch. It creates demand and nvidia loves to do this. I know you’ve been around the last few cycles at least Joker. And you know how it’s been.
What is a paper launch? In general, the phrase is used to denote product announcements that explicitly compare the "new product" with other actually available products, despite the fact that the newly announced product is not actually available to consumers.
I hear this argument every single video card release like clockwork and it's been repeated ad nauseam for the last 15+ years and not just for GPU releases but almost anything new. We don't know how many units were produced, only Samsung and NV know and it could be that they're at capacity. Since there's no established definition for paper launch, let's go with what Ars Technica defined it as years ago:
In this case, the 3000 series will be available worldwide, so it's not a paper launch at all. You can call it a "limited launch" but even then that's just speculation and there's no facts found anywhere to back that assertion up. We just think it might be limited because an unsubstantiated post by Tweaktown said so but none of the AIB partners or NVIDIA themselves have indicated any inventory problems.
Besides, it is AMD that may end up paper launching Big Navi considering TSMC is pretty much at capacity with much more customers than Samsung has right now. So AMD would prioritize 7nm allocation for their CPUs before they would Big Navi so the GPUs would be left with the breadcrumbs. What if NVIDIA saw this and decided to cut a deal with Samsung where they have much more capacity albeit at a slightly worse node? Makes sense to me.
Is it true? Basically no availability for the foreseeable future and quadruple the msrp prices ?
https://www.techradar.com/news/cryp...vidia-rtx-3080-leaving-gamers-out-in-the-cold
No. Custom Asics are better for mining.
This sounds like deliberate misinfo to spike demand and prices.
My plan lol. Hopefully I can snag one at Best Buy on launch.I’m getting a RTX 3080 no matter what even if the AMD card is close. They still can’t compete with the reliable drivers. Also if you can get your hands on one at launch you could always sell it for a profit If you choose to go with AMD later.
Is it true? Basically no availability for the foreseeable future and quadruple the msrp prices ?
https://www.techradar.com/news/cryp...vidia-rtx-3080-leaving-gamers-out-in-the-cold
So much of the tech world world teeters on speculation.... just take this forum. How many what if threads have we seen in a week? LolThat reads like a bunch of BS speculation based on tweets and feelings.
So much of the tech world world teeters on speculation.... just take this forum. How many what if threads have we seen in a week? Lol
The difference is nobody takes random forum speculation as anything more than that. Put it up on a website though and all of a sudden you have an “article” with people asking if it’s true.
The real question is how long is the release date from the "introduction" date?
Availability in mid November?
More rumors:
As per Redgamingtech's guess (source):
nov-2020 release: 6900 > 3080
dec-2020 release: 6800 between 3070 & 3080
mar-2021 release: 6700 ~ 3070
Prices will be fixed according to market situation & performance vs equivalent nvidia cards
From your perspective maybe. But I truly believe some of these people believe what they see and take their and other peoples opinions as gospel. The fan boy is strong on this forum and most tech forums. In fact they spend pages full of replies arguing hypotheticals literally based on no measurable evidence.The difference is nobody takes random forum speculation as anything more than that. Put it up on a website though and all of a sudden you have an “article” with people asking if it’s true.
Someone else buying a high-demand product faster than you and it becomes temporarily sold out =/= paper launch.
From your perspective maybe. But I truly believe some of these people believe what they see and take their and other peoples opinions as gospel. The fan boy is strong on this forum and most tech forums. In fact they spend pages full of replies arguing hypotheticals literally based on no measurable evidence.
Not what I see. People aren't latching onto other opinions here. Instead people are dredging up Web/YT clickbait as "evidence" to back up their wishful thinking. Or just religiously following those Clickbait channels and spouting here as gospel.
Clickbait should carry no more weight than speculation we do here, but for many, someone bothering to publish it, makes it real, and gives it weight it doesn't merit.
A recent prime example, was the absurd "Traversal coprocessor" nonsense, that so many latched onto, after someone made it up for YT clicks.
In reality our local speculations are more like debates, where we can get closer to sensible outcomes precisely because no one here is pretending to have secret voices feeding them the truth, and nonsense can be tempered through logical challenge.
So our speculations here, are subject to reality checks more strenuously, than many forum dwellers apply to the received dogma of their favorite clickbait source.
If someone here spontaneously suggested the "Traversal coprocessor" without clickbait backing, it would have been roundly dismissed as the fantasy it was. But clickbait on a YT channel made it real for many.
So I see the clickbait as more problematic, and more likely to spawn gullible following, than our local speculation and debate.
You must be new around here.The difference is nobody takes random forum speculation as anything more than that. Put it up on a website though and all of a sudden you have an “article” with people asking if it’s true.
I'll be waiting for amd. Nvidia isn't a good Linux option.
Coming out after nvidia isn't new for them and they've used it to their advantage before in manipulating nvidia's pricing. Not worried debuting later as hurting their sales. But hey, if it magically does, it'll be easier for me to get the best one... So win for me.
Think what you are saying. Nvidia has a paper launch you will not likely get a 3090 for almost 2 months. Why commit to them because you will see AMD offerings before Nvidia can deliver you a card. Use that brain that god gave you. ( I shouldn't say that because I am an atheist)Yeah, im scooping up an Nvidia card. That is too long of a wait.
Think what you are saying. Nvidia has a paper launch you will not likely get a 3090 for almost 2 months. Why commit to them because you will see AMD offerings before Nvidia can deliver you a card. Use that brain that god gave you. ( I shouldn't say that because I am an atheist)