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Who is going to get an AMD tramp stamp this time around?
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AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Vs Intel Core i7 6900K Gaming Performance Benchmarked
The first gaming performance face-off between the AMD Ryzen 7 1800X and the Intel Core i7 6900K. Both processors were put in a head-to-head comparison running the same game, the same in-game scenery and at the same time in Sniper Elite 4 at 4K. Both systems were identically spec’ed with dual RX 480s in Crossfire and 16GB of DDR4 memory.
Jarred Walton from PCWorld positioned the character and the camera in the exact same position on both systems. To ensure that both systems were rendering the exact same scene.
The Intel core i7 6900K averages at 90.5 fps while the Ryzen 7 1800X manages to push over 95 FPS and averages at 96.6fps. This is 6.7% performance lead.
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-i7-6900k-gaming-performance/
That one is funny. CPU limited, I think not.
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That one is funny. CPU limited, I think not.
Why would someone buy the most expensive CPU to overclock it? Isn't the point of buying the highest of the high ends that you're supposed to not need to overclock it?
You're using a graphics card that's 15-20+% slower than the Titan XP they had in the demo to say a game isn't CPU bound?
The first gaming performance face-off between the AMD Ryzen 7 1800X and the Intel Core i7 6900K. Both processors were put in a head-to-head comparison running the same game, the same in-game scenery and at the same time in Sniper Elite 4 at 4K. Both systems were identically spec’ed with dual RX 480s in Crossfire and 16GB of DDR4 memory.
So it can reportedly surpass a stock 7700k- well, that's progress.
You do know they used dual RX480?
Believe nothing until proper reviews hit. Myself I find it very difficult to believe a $500 product is beating a $1500+ one, that almost never happens generational shifts or not.Any reason to legit doubt that?
Believe nothing until proper reviews hit. Myself I find it very difficult to believe a $500 product is beating a $1500+ one, that almost never happens generational shifts or not.
Believe nothing until proper reviews hit. Myself I find it very difficult to believe a $500 product is beating a $1500+ one, that almost never happens generational shifts or not.
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Reportedly Outperforms Intel’s $1700 i7 6950X With One-Click Overclocking On Air
Quote from the testers
“Overclocking hasn’t been a problem at all. Although we can’t announce specifics regarding frequencies due to NDA I can say that the results are impressive and overclockers will be pleased”
“With our overclocked 1800X sample cooled by the Noctua unit AMD provided in the reviewer’s kit we managed to surpass the 7700K in single threaded performance and the temperatures were great. We had no concerns about the temperatures.”
“You can achieve a good overclocking result with one click and you don’t even have to bother with manually overclocking/tuning.”
“It seems ironic yes, but with an auto-overclock the 1800X has no competition. Not even Intel’s 10 core 6950X can keep up with it.”
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-overclocking-performance/
donanimhaber.com legit? Is this opposite day?Ok so we got a bit of clarification on the Turkish OC info. These guys are totally legit.. they are from donanimhaber.com one of the oldest review sites in Turkey. Those who followed the Bulldozer launch will remember they had info which ended up being true back then as well.
These are the guys who claimed that Bulldozer would be about 50% faster than Nehalem (and thus faster than Sandy Bridge). They also posted fake benchmarks of Bulldozer from OBR, claiming that they got them from AMD.
donanimhaber are notoriously unreliable, and if they managed to get anything right about Bulldozer it would have been down to pure luck, and the fact that they claimed so many different things that they were bound to get something right.
As such I would take any info from them with a huge grain of salt, since they basically belong to the same tier as WCCFTech and their ilk.
Believe it!Myself I find it very difficult to believe a $500 product is beating a $1500+ one, that almost never happens generational shifts or not.
I want to believe. My wallet says I do, brain says reality never matches hype.Believe it!
I'd believe that, but I'm still skeptical that AMD has beaten Intel when it comes to price/performance for top-end gaming. They're close, if we can believe these leaks, but they're running up against two things that Intel has spent the last decade perfecting: IPC and top clockspeeds. For thread-limited workloads (like nearly all games), this is still the benchmark for performance, because you cannot simply just throw more cores at the problem.
The preponderance of evidence from leaked benchmarks all come to the same consensus about performance, at some point that grain of salt becomes a mound don't you think?
The evidence points to Ryzen CPUs approaching, but not eclipsing, current Intel CPUs for thread-limited scenarios.
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Overclocked To 4GHz On All 8 Cores – Provides 1800X+ Performance With Decent Motherboards & Cooling
OCUK staffer “Gibbo” reports successfully overclocking a retail Ryzen 7 1700 processor with an ASUS Crosshair VI Hero motherboard to 4.05GHz on all 8 cores. With this overclock the CPU would effectively be running 450MHz higher than the Ryzen 7 1800X flagship. “Gibbo” estimates, based on his results, that the 1800X should be able to hit 4.3GHz on all 8 cores.
The overclock was achieved using a 240mm Asetek built liquid cooler, which is similar to the Corsair H100i.
At 4.05GHz on all 8-cores an overclocked Ryzen 7 1700 effectively outperforms every other desktop 8-core CPU on the market. Including Intel’s $1000+ Haswell-E and Broadwell-E i7 5960X and i7 6900K.
When running at 4.05GHz on all 8-cores, the Ryzen 7 1700 effectively outperforms every other desktop 8-core CPU on the market. Including both Intel’s Haswell-E and Broadwell-E i7 5960X and i7 6900K.
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-overclocked-4ghz/
To be fair all that indicates if anything, is the overclockability of these chips isn't that great.
I haven't seen a single leak indicating they overclock particularly well.
When you factor in the slightly lower IPC plus the lower overclock rate, plus the lower default stock speeds. It seems pretty clear to me, that they will be an excellent 6800 / 6900k competitor /for the money/ but not necessarily best choice for gamers.
I guess we'll see on Wednesday but my personal bet is these things won't be hitting 4.3/4.4 easily, at all. Especially with air cooling.
7700k seems to be a dead simple 4.7 for a start.
Yeah, I don't think the 7700k's single thread performance is about to be challenged in anyway. But it's definitely still a compelling choice when you're looking at 8c/16t processors in the same price range if the leaked performance proves consistent across various workloads.
It seems clear from all leaks to me, that if you were in the market for a 6900k and 6950k, the Ryzen competes heavily with what these are *BEST* at, for sure.
The leaks really are consistently telling me the same story but a lot of people on reddit and several other forums seem to be non hardware junkies and totally blinded by rose coloured glasses.
I hope Ryzen rocks too but it doesn't seem likely to compete with the 7700k for it's best strengths (and honestly, that's a $350 Intel CPU vs a $500 AMD one)
Ryzen is going to lose in gaming against 4/8 Kaby Lake. AMD compares Ryzen to crippled Intel 6900k in their testing. I said cripple because they forced quad memory channel to run as dual channel, forced 2x16x to run as 2x8x and installed the worst possible stock cooler to force Intel frequency to be as low as it can and at the best Ryzen performs faster up to 6%. Well i have news for people who believe in this bullshit. First of all Intel stock settings is quad memory channel, SLI/CF runs in 2x16x and coolers installed are much better allowing high clock on Intel CPU and i am sure independent reviewers will give the best cooling there is for both platform. Also AMD forgot that Kaby Lake outperforms 2011 socket based Intel CPUs by much higher margin than 6%.
You aren't even comparing the same type of chips. You are talking a 4c/8t processor vs an 8c/16t one. The people buying a Ryzen are the ones who want more cores/threads in their rig and feel intel is ripping them off with their 8c/16t offerings. If a person wanted a 4c/8t processor then they aren't going to be spending $500 on the AMD 1800X, they'd be getting the 1400X chips or lower for $200 or less.I hope Ryzen rocks too but it doesn't seem likely to compete with the 7700k for it's best strengths (and honestly, that's a $350 Intel CPU vs a $500 AMD one)
Even if Kaby is faster by let's say 6% over Ryzen for a similar 8c/16t chip, I will still buy a Ryzen over a Kaby when the 8c/16t chip is $500 cheaper. To paraphrase a sprint commercial, would you really pay $500 more for a 6% speed increase? I know I wouldn't. If Intel's Kaby 8c/16t chip was 70%-80% faster then maybe I'd consider the $500 extra worth it, but for an estimated 6%-10% I think not. If the reviews are good I am definitely going to get Ryzen, though I am going to wait for higher end motherboards to show up before I build a new rig.Also AMD forgot that Kaby Lake outperforms 2011 socket based Intel CPUs by much higher margin than 6%.
Here's another grain of salt for you.
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-i7-6900k-gaming-benchmarks/
Intel Allegedly Playing Dirty To Undercut AMD’s Ryzen
The editors-in-chief of two of America’s top PC hardware and technology publications have confirmed to Wccftech that they have indeed been approached by Intel regarding upcoming Ryzen reviews. Although both said that it was business as usual. Affirming that Intel’s response following AMD’s Ryzen announcement was what they had expected it to be and nothing was particularly unusual about it.
http://wccftech.com/intel-playing-dirty-undercut-amd-ryzen/
Intel is rattled with AMD Ryzen. Its 10-year old Nehalem CPU architecture that has been shrunk and incrementally updated over the years, is finally coming across as dated in the wake of AMD's "Zen" architecture. What to do when a competitor with 1/50th your R&D budget threatens to wreck your next annual appraisal? Play dirty and arm-twist the media of course! And playing dirty Intel is, according to a TweakTown report.
Apparently, Intel has scrambled its PR department to call in favors with the press in return for "guidelines" on how to review AMD Ryzen. Intel's PR emails allegedly ask reviewers to "call us before you write." The guidelines are worded more to make it sound like Intel wants its chips to be reviewed "fairly" against Ryzen, but the underlying objective is clear.
https://www.techpowerup.com/231038/intel-plays-dirty-over-ryzen-attempts-to-manipulate-ryzen-reviews
That's why i do a pretty big eye roll when reviewers go overboard about when AMD gives review guidance. It will be up to us to see what reviewers did before and what they all of a sudden change in the next couple of days. If all of the MT benches go away you will have your answer.Intel Allegedly Playing Dirty To Undercut AMD’s Ryzen
The editors-in-chief of two of America’s top PC hardware and technology publications have confirmed to Wccftech that they have indeed been approached by Intel regarding upcoming Ryzen reviews. Although both said that it was business as usual. Affirming that Intel’s response following AMD’s Ryzen announcement was what they had expected it to be and nothing was particularly unusual about it.
http://wccftech.com/intel-playing-dirty-undercut-amd-ryzen/
Intel is rattled with AMD Ryzen. Its 10-year old Nehalem CPU architecture that has been shrunk and incrementally updated over the years, is finally coming across as dated in the wake of AMD's "Zen" architecture. What to do when a competitor with 1/50th your R&D budget threatens to wreck your next annual appraisal? Play dirty and arm-twist the media of course! And playing dirty Intel is, according to a TweakTown report.
Apparently, Intel has scrambled its PR department to call in favors with the press in return for "guidelines" on how to review AMD Ryzen. Intel's PR emails allegedly ask reviewers to "call us before you write." The guidelines are worded more to make it sound like Intel wants its chips to be reviewed "fairly" against Ryzen, but the underlying objective is clear.
https://www.techpowerup.com/231038/intel-plays-dirty-over-ryzen-attempts-to-manipulate-ryzen-reviews