Microsoft exploring options to power its datcenters using nuclear energy

Twisted Kidney said:
You pay the taxes, the tax money goes to the oil company.
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Who pay the taxes between the customer, worker, stockholder, company partner, etc... is not that obvious (i.e. remove the tax would the price at the pomp go down or stay and increase the company revenues), it is quite fongible you cannot really decide who is actually taxed in particular, every tax is paid by all of them, a company is after all only a accounting convention and cannot be actually taxed. End of the day how can a tax not be paid from money that came from the customer of the product pocket ?

In texas alone tax and royalty (not counting federal) from oil was above 24 billions last year (not sure if it count the personal income tax of the employee in that field, their house municipal tax they pay with their oil&gas income and so on), I doubt the industry and its clients are at hole on a net positive from a state benefit point of view, state with a lot of oil tend to have the least taxed population.
 
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LukeTbk said:
Who pay the taxes between the customer, worker, stockholder, company partner, etc... is not that obvious (i.e. remove the tax would the price at the pomp go down or stay and increase the company revenues), it is quite fongible you cannot really decide who is actually taxed in particular, every tax is paid by all of them, a company is after all only a accounting convention and cannot be actually taxed.
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Technically everyone is taxed, it's just a matter of whose pocket feels it first. For example, if we are taxed at the pump, gas stations might have to lower prices because people aren't driving as much. But if the station or oil company are taxed, then they'll have to increase prices to cover that cost (as much as possible).
 
Twisted Kidney said:
You pay the taxes, the tax money goes to the oil company.

Isn't corruption great?
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It's like the bag fee we have in CA, 25 cents per bag that MUST be charged, it's the law, and where does that money go? Help clean up plastic waste in the waterways or maybe just in the general fund for the state treasury? Nah the business that sells you the bag gets to keep it
 
sfsuphysics said:
It's like the bag fee we have in CA, 25 cents per bag that MUST be charged, it's the law, and where does that money go? Help clean up plastic waste in the waterways or maybe just in the general fund for the state treasury? Nah the business that sells you the bag gets to keep it
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I'm glad to see the bag charge works the same everywhere it's done. What a crock of shit. I'm all for cutting back on our endless garbage, the amount of totally unnecessary plastic packaging on the average consumer product is mind bending, but forcing companies to charge consumers more is madness. That seems to be the pattern though, massive conglomerates create a problem and the people need to either fix it or be punished for reasons.

It's almost like the parasitic C suite and the crooked fuckers making laws are the best of chums...

...Taking care of one another...

...With our money...
 
Charging customer could be the good way to go (using capitalism and market force), charged them for very tiny plastic bag that would have been used for kitchen garbage bag, cats litter and so on for them to buy heavier bag (often subsidized and wasted) is not that obvious of a good move.

Instead of charging and let market force go, they often manually pick winner-looser (like in some juridiction once a bag once it reach some type of thickest got considered reusable and free of surcharge, now not only that juridiction added all the reusable bag industry, the buy kitchen plastic bag in the store instead of reusing those use to bag the grocery but they have a bigger plastic use purely in grocery plastic to bag the grocery usage)
 
Microsoft and OpenAI may build a $100 billion supercomputer campus to help develop artificial intelligence models.

The Information reports that the project is still in the early stages, but would be expected to launch in 2028. Known as 'Stargate,' the development would expand over two more years - potentially needing as much as five gigawatts (5GW) to power it at full build-out.

Given the significant power needs, Microsoft and OpenAI have considered alternative power sources including nuclear power. Amazon recently purchased a Pennsylvania data center site next to a nuclear power plant, which the Information notes that Microsoft discussed bidding for.
Earlier this year, DCD exclusively reported that the hyperscaler had hired Archie Manoharan as director of nuclear technologies and Erin Henderson as head of nuclear development acceleration as it ramped up its interest in SMRs).

OpenAI CEO Sam Altman has also backed a small nuclear reactor company, Oklo, which plans to target data centers.


https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/...der-100bn-5gw-stargate-ai-data-center-report/
 
Marees said:
Microsoft and OpenAI may build a $100 billion supercomputer campus to help develop artificial intelligence models.

The Information reports that the project is still in the early stages, but would be expected to launch in 2028. Known as 'Stargate,' the development would expand over two more years - potentially needing as much as five gigawatts (5GW) to power it at full build-out.

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Ironically the real, fictitious Stargate program that was super top secret and opened wormholes all over the galaxy didnt cost anywhere near that much
 
travm said:
I work in a nuke plant, and they have 50" tvs all over showing plant news and power output status. Got quite a chuckle the first time I saw one in bsod.
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I think once read that Microsoft advised NOT using Windows in nuclear power plants.
 
philb2 said:
I think once read that Microsoft advised NOT using Windows in nuclear power plants.
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I wouldn't be surprised, makes more sense to have a very specialized and highly integrated OS, test suite, and hardware imo. That way any bugs can be found easily and fixed before there is a problem.

Not to say it has to be unique to the power plant, but something built for that purpose and able to be customized to the specific plant would be reasonable imo.
 
Hilarious, big tech green weenies are all about power now that they will need huge amounts of it. Everyone knows wind and solar will not even come close to their needs, now with Ai fever at a pitch. The states that put up natural gas power plants fast, will win.
 
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Establishing profitable nuclear power plants could very likely be the next big money maker. Just like cloud computing was needed and developed for their own businesses then became big money makers for Amazon and Microsoft as they sold them to other people.
Demand for electricity is going to keep going up.
It's going to be a very hard battle if they attempt it though. The government regulations around it are a nightmare to deal with.
 
Nobu said:
I wouldn't be surprised, makes more sense to have a very specialized and highly integrated OS, test suite, and hardware imo. That way any bugs can be found easily and fixed before there is a problem.

Not to say it has to be unique to the power plant, but something built for that purpose and able to be customized to the specific plant would be reasonable imo.
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Stuxnet anyone? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
 
philb2 said:
I think once read that Microsoft advised NOT using Windows in nuclear power plants.
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They are obviously for information only and not even connected to any station systems. But yes, it's still funny seeing a piece of equipment in a nuclear facility sitting there in bsod. I'm not certain because I don't have a need to know, but I'm pretty sure that the nuclear systems are all mechanical or custom micro solutions if it needs a computer. Triple redundant kind of things.
 
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