Forced to agree. I have no idea why people think this is acceptable.
The TIM Ivy issue is nothing compared to Intel's history of changing sockets annually just to sell more products.
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Forced to agree. I have no idea why people think this is acceptable.
This is pretty accurate. Up to about 4.5GHz takes little or no tweaking. After that you've got to really ramp up the voltages and the heat production goes through the roof. I can get them to post and even run some tasks at 5.0GHz, but your looking at load temps on water in the 87-90c range. At least with my current ambient temps. But this is using a decent water cooling setup.
Eh, well have you heard about the high temps on IB? And what's causing the high temps?
Do you want to support Intel by buying their IB CPU and tell them: "Intel, i love what you did with Ivy Bridge (deliberately f*cked up the temps only to save a few $ in manufacturing costs) so i want you to make that the new standard in your future processors so all future intel CPUs will have f*cked up temps aswell" ?
If you buy their sh*t IB CPU you indirectly tell them that.
Eh, well have you heard about the high temps on IB? And what's causing the high temps?
Do you want to support Intel by buying their IB CPU and tell them: "Intel, i love what you did with Ivy Bridge (deliberately f*cked up the temps only to save a few $ in manufacturing costs) so i want you to make that the new standard in your future processors so all future intel CPUs will have f*cked up temps aswell" ?
If you buy their sh*t IB CPU you indirectly tell them that.
Going from 32 nm to 22 nm should give us noticeably better OC:ing performance.
But instead we get WORSE OC:ing performance.
I have. I know it's not only a die shrink./facepalm
Have you read any tech articles on Ivy Bridge? It's not just a simple die shrink.
How about doing all of us a favor and delid it and use some high quality TIM with direct contact on your water block. I'm dying to know how this will improve temps if at all.
Since Ivy Bridge sucks because of Intels failure with the TIM thing i would buy Sandy Bridge.
I would buy SB in a protest because what Intel has done with IB isn't acceptable.
Since Ivy Bridge sucks because of Intels failure with the TIM thing i would buy Sandy Bridge.
I would buy SB in a protest because what Intel has done with IB isn't acceptable.
Don't overthink it, I've been going back and forth for the last 3 weeks. For the extra $40 just go with the latest thing.I'm in the exact same boat. Just ordered a Gigabyte Z77 UDH5 for $177 w/ free shipping from a place called HookBag.ca (they seem reputable enough). Now I'm staring at my NCIX cart, a 2500k for $199 and a 3570k for $238. Can't decide!
Either I go 2500k for higher guaranteed clocks and/or lower temps and less noise from my H100 ... or ... 3570k for hopefully decent clocks (seen a few stories, people needing way too much voltage to maintain 4.5 24/7), better clock for clock but more heat and likely more noise, plus PCI 3.0 on my Z77.
I've changed my mind a half dozen times in the last hour. I think maybe going 2500k isn't the worst idea. I don't NEED PCI 3.0 right now, at least not until I decide to snap up a second 680 (if ever). I can run the Z77 with SB and enjoy 4.5+ with fewer volts and far less fan racket, maybe eBay it in a few months time if and when Intel drops a revision or a new stepping that causes me to reconsider IB. But then I think, "Man, it's only a $40 difference. Go with the newest tech!"
Help meh! I need to commit to something before one or both options are sold out at their current pricing. =P
My only real concern is the lottery (assuming one exists). I'm seeing so many different numbers being tossed around for IB: 4.8 and decent temps w/ H100, then I see guys struggling to maintain anything above 4.4 without some serious cooling/noise. I've been bitten by "early adopter syndrome" before. I'm a bit shy, nowadays.Don't overthink it, I've been going back and forth for the last 3 weeks. For the extra $40 just go with the latest thing.
I haven't thought about that, I was under the impression that people with extreme temps were applying too much voltage or just trying to push it too hard, seems IB should be kept at 4.6GHz max unless you have some fancy cooling setup. I'm not comfortable messing with voltage and I don't plan to push it beyond 4GHz. I've been agonizing over this build for weeks and weeks. It feels good to hit that submit button and finally be locked in, weight off my shoulders. First world problems!My only real concern is the lottery (assuming one exists). I'm seeing so many different numbers being tossed around for IB: 4.8 and decent temps w/ H100, then I see guys struggling to maintain anything above 4.4 without some serious cooling/noise. I've been bitten by "early adopter syndrome" before. I'm a bit shy, nowadays.
First world problems!
ASUS boards have a thunderbold header, at least my P8Z77-V Pro does. You just need to purchase the adapter seperatly.
Am I correct in the understanding that IB at stock clocks will run cooler than SB?
What do your balls say? I think they would tell you to go with the 3570k.My head says 3570k, my gut says 2500k.
I'm going with my gut.
My balls and I are not on speaking terms atm. We've made some poor decisions, lately.What do your balls say? I think they would tell you to go with the 3570k.
For months I wanted to upgrade to Ivy Bridge, now because of the "shortcut" to me that Intel has taken with the TIM issue I think I'll go with a good used deal on a i5 2500K or i7 2600K/2700K.
May wait until this time next year to see the new processor offerings Intel will come up with.
I do run my processors at stock speed and think that IB as constituted now will be worth a bit less than a SB in the future if one wanted to sell to an overclocker as well as PCIE 3.0 does nothing for me now maybe next year with what I deem to be a well constructed processor. May not be what many others think, but it's my gut opinion.
For months I wanted to upgrade to Ivy Bridge, now because of the "shortcut" to me that Intel has taken with the TIM issue I think I'll go with a good used deal on a i5 2500K or i7 2600K/2700K.
May wait until this time next year to see the new processor offerings Intel will come up with.
I do run my processors at stock speed and think that IB as constituted now will be worth a bit less than a SB in the future if one wanted to sell to an overclocker as well as PCIE 3.0 does nothing for me now maybe next year with what I deem to be a well constructed processor. May not be what many others think, but it's my gut opinion.
For a Z77 board, definitely go Ivy because that platform has been designed primarily for it. There are some issues with SB chips on Z77 currently. If you are willing, buy a 2600k today and exchange it with the retailer when IB comes out Sunday.
ASUS boards have a thunderbold header, at least my P8Z77-V Pro does. You just need to purchase the adapter seperatly.