GoldenTiger
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Shouldn't but they'll be self entitled and feel they should pirate the rom and enjoy the game for free on an emulator .Then you dont get to play this game?
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Shouldn't but they'll be self entitled and feel they should pirate the rom and enjoy the game for free on an emulator .Then you dont get to play this game?
I do what I always do and buy the games I actually enjoy. With the return policy's games have, plus the need to own hardware that can be emulated on the Steam Deck, Nintendo can go sit on a lemon and twist.You live in an insane upside down world.
I sincerely hope you do a job and instead of paying you ever for the rest of your life, they just say: "thank you, we are free to do with your work whatever we want. And in lieu of paying you, we'll tell you your work is garbage but we're still going to use it."
Breath of the Wild was presented well and had fun unintended physics, but a lot of that game was designed to waste your time. The game was meant to have a grappling hook, but was removed when they realized players would move through the world faster and complete the game. Weapons break so again you would spend more time collecting weapons. The Korok seeds were a time sink to make you feel like you did something hard that wasn't actually hard. The Master Sword being useless unless you buy DLC was just an evil cash grab. The puzzle dungeons that give you hearts are just recycled with small differences. The actual real dungeons the Divine Beasts were only 4, and were optional since they only made the final boss easier, which was already an easy boss. The final boss gives you a weapon that is only meant to be used on the final boss, making all other weapons you've accumulated pointless. I just don't like games where I have to farm. Give me a difficult boss to kill and reward me for skill, not time spent.I absolutely loved Breath of the Wild, but fuck no if I'm gonna waste my time to get all 900 korok seeds. (I got around 300). I stopped at 110 out of the 120 shrines. Does that mean that the game was awful? No, it means that I knew when I got tired of something so I quit before it turned into busywork.
Agreed on their general way, I lost interest in their games a long while ago. Fire Emblem was the last series of interest but that's gone off a cliff. I think the last time I bought anything new from Nintendo was a DS lite. Multiple saves corrupting and needing to send in the system for a warranty repair (should buttons failed) was enough to put me off buying new from them. Considering the rest only cements the decision.I like some of their games, but their tactics and philosophy are just garbage. It does not make me want to give them money, ever.
Then simply don’t play their games. Easy as. I don’t even understand what you’re discussing then or what your argument is.I do what I always do and buy the games I actually enjoy. With the return policy's games have, plus the need to own hardware that can be emulated on the Steam Deck, Nintendo can go sit on a lemon and twist.
Interesting thing is, Nintendo delayed the physical release for Age of Calamity, citing leaks. But they didn't do that, for ToTK.Breaking the street date and similar links have happened before and will happen again; I doubt its going to be more than an incidental issue if any and in fact will continue to add to the hype level for the game's release itself. Lets try to approach this reasonably.
Nine games over a console generation from one developer brand, is a lotI honestly don't give a damn about Nintendo. Nine of their games interest me. I haven't played Tears of the Kingdom since the first night. I hated Breath of the Turd and it feels the same.
Nine? You must be quite a fan, buy the games already in exchange for the fun they gave you!I honestly don't give a damn about Nintendo. Nine of their games interest me. I haven't played Tears of the Kingdom since the first night. I hated Breath of the Turd and it feels the same.
I absolutely loved Breath of the Wild, but fuck no if I'm gonna waste my time to get all 900 korok seeds. (I got around 300). I stopped at 110 out of the 120 shrines. Does that mean that the game was awful? No, it means that I knew when I got tired of something so I quit before it turned into busywork.
For what its worth, the Korok Seed bit was actually done pretty well I thought. You needed around 300 (and certainly no more than 500; been awhile) to unlock all the upgrades, but there were 900 so that you'd generally find your way to them since there were just so many - you were not intended to find them all. In fact, the reward for finding them all was just aI do what I always do and buy the games I actually enjoy. With the return policy's games have, plus the need to own hardware that can be emulated on the Steam Deck, Nintendo can go sit on a lemon and twist.
Breath of the Wild was presented well and had fun unintended physics, but a lot of that game was designed to waste your time. The game was meant to have a grappling hook, but was removed when they realized players would move through the world faster and complete the game. Weapons break so again you would spend more time collecting weapons. The Korok seeds were a time sink to make you feel like you did something hard that wasn't actually hard. The Master Sword being useless unless you buy DLC was just an evil cash grab. The puzzle dungeons that give you hearts are just recycled with small differences. The actual real dungeons the Divine Beasts were only 4, and were optional since they only made the final boss easier, which was already an easy boss. The final boss gives you a weapon that is only meant to be used on the final boss, making all other weapons you've accumulated pointless. I just don't like games where I have to farm. Give me a difficult boss to kill and reward me for skill, not time spent.
Interesting thing is, Nintendo delayed the physical release for Age of Calamity, citing leaks. But they didn't do that, for ToTK.
IMO, they view Age of Calamity as a lower interest/lower selling product. And if it leaks, 'no one' would buy it.
However, ToTK is such a major release, they need to have it available Day 1 in both physical and digital, to maximize sales.
Nine games over a console generation from one developer brand, is a lot
Laughs in celebrating criminal conduct.
The problem with games is that you never know when you find a gem. Cyberpunk2077 sounded good, until you play the side missions and figure out they pooped them out. Very different direction from Witcher 3 where the side missions was where the good gameplay was. I grew up on Nintendo and played a lot of Zelda games and loved most of them, not all of them, and so of course I gotta see if their new Zelda game was good. Also I do what I want.Then simply don’t play their games. Easy as. I don’t even understand what you’re discussing then or what your argument is.
Not only it's not foolish, you should do it. There are so many occasions where piracy changed the industry for the better, mostly because they had no choice. You owe Netflix to piracy. You owe music costing $1 to piracy. You owe WoW classic to piracy. You owe Playstation and Xbox games being ported to PC because of piracy. You may not like to hear this but you have benefited from piracy, even if you don't want to admit it. Cause if you didn't, you'd pay $50 a move on Blu-Ray if the industry had their way. You'd pay $25 for a music CD but only care about that one song, and you can forget about ripping that onto a Mp3 player. You won't get WoW classic, because you think you do, but you don't. You'd also be playing God of War and Spiderman games on the Playstation 4/5, like a peasant.Any argument about “pirating is okay” is foolishness at best however.
Yes, but also as a reminder copyright violations weren't criminal, at least in the 70's. Pepperidge farm remembers.Its all in an attempt to have your cake and eat it too, just justifications. If you don’t like a company: that’s what boycotting is for. Theft isn’t justified even for companies you have distaste for.
Okay do what you want. And so will Nintendo. They have every right to protect the things they have produced and you have stolen.The problem with games is that you never know when you find a gem. Cyberpunk2077 sounded good, until you play the side missions and figure out they pooped them out. Very different direction from Witcher 3 where the side missions was where the good gameplay was. I grew up on Nintendo and played a lot of Zelda games and loved most of them, not all of them, and so of course I gotta see if their new Zelda game was good. Also I do what I want.
Not only it's not foolish, you should do it. There are so many occasions where piracy changed the industry for the better, mostly because they had no choice. You owe Netflix to piracy. You owe music costing $1 to piracy. You owe WoW classic to piracy. You owe Playstation and Xbox games being ported to PC because of piracy. You may not like to hear this but you have benefited from piracy, even if you don't want to admit it. Cause if you didn't, you'd pay $50 a move on Blu-Ray if the industry had their way. You'd pay $25 for a music CD but only care about that one song, and you can forget about ripping that onto a Mp3 player. You won't get WoW classic, because you think you do, but you don't. You'd also be playing God of War and Spiderman games on the Playstation 4/5, like a peasant.
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Yes, but also as a reminder copyright violations weren't criminal, at least in the 70's. Pepperidge farm remembers.
But you won’t convince me it’s okay.
A lot of the old titles Nintendo sells again with each new system should be public domain at this point. The copyright period has been stretched out past lunacy.Fair enough. You can't convince me to care either way, especially with Nintendo when they were so hopped up on copy right crazy pills they were demanding a cut of youtuber's, streamers, let's play video makers etc. ad revenue because the games were their so called intellectual property. Don't have a few million to take on a corporation in US or your local courts over what constitutes a "transformative work", well quit making videos about Nintendo's content lest they sue you for for copyright violations. Possibly make it criminal too.
Three years before they killed it.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...ions-ends-revenue-splitting-for-video-makers/
That was sort of the cherry on top after the Wii U that meant I just didn't care about Nintendo games at all beyond occasional curiosity. I certainly wasn't going to keep playing the rebuy old games on each new platform they put out.
I personally know plenty of people who purchase Nintenderp games to exclusively play on an emulator and because some of them actively contribute to emulator development.Shouldn't but they'll be self entitled and feel they should pirate the rom and enjoy the game for free on an emulator .
Again, for those in the back: two wrongs don’t make a right. These are self justifications.Fair enough. You can't convince me to care either way, especially with Nintendo when they were so hopped up on copy right crazy pills they were demanding a cut of youtuber's, streamers, let's play video makers etc. ad revenue because the games were their so called intellectual property. Don't have a few million to take on a corporation in US or your local courts over what constitutes a "transformative work", well quit making videos about Nintendo's content lest they sue you for for copyright violations. Possibly make it criminal too.
Three years before they killed it.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...ions-ends-revenue-splitting-for-video-makers/
That was sort of the cherry on top after the Wii U that meant I just didn't care about Nintendo games at all beyond occasional curiosity. I certainly wasn't going to keep playing the rebuy old games on each new platform they put out.
You missed the part where in the 70's copyright violations were a tort and not considered criminal. Now it's a different story but there was a reason why we didn't consider it criminal. Now the reason it lobbying.Okay do what you want. And so will Nintendo. They have every right to protect the things they have produced and you have stolen.
I don’t want to hear any complaining from you when someone gets spanked for it. They got what they knew was coming.
You can keep the morals and the empty sack that goes with it.Everything else in your post is spam, justifications, and absent of any moral value. You’re good with that? Fine. But you won’t convince me it’s okay.
Again, I hope no one pays you for any work you do ever again. Just to make things fair.You missed the part where in the 70's copyright violations were a tort and not considered criminal. Now it's a different story but there was a reason why we didn't consider it criminal. Now the reason it lobbying.
You can keep the morals and the empty sack that goes with it.
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There are not enough people that feel this way to actually change anything. I compare majority Nintendo players to Apple users. Generally tech illiterate and happy sitting in their walled garden and scared to venture out. People that want more out of Nintendo are a very small minority.Again, for those in the back: two wrongs don’t make a right. These are self justifications.
The proper method if you hate a company is boycotting and doing what you’re doing here: complaining in public spaces.
Again, I hope no one pays you for any work you do ever again. Just to make things fair.
This convo has run its course. It’s all just justifications and amoralism. Great we got it: you are explicitly okay with doing evil. I’m out. If you want the last word Duke (or anyone else), go for it.
Ever stop to consider then, that you're in the wrong?There are not enough people that feel this way to actually change anything.
I don't care. I support developers that deserve it.Ever stop to consider then, that you're in the wrong?
Lol, yet another arbitrary justification of why you steal, what a surprise.I don't care. I support developers that deserve it.
I played TotK for less then an hour I don't care for it. Not worth $5 let alone $70 to me.Lol, yet another arbitrary justification of why you steal, what a surprise.
Good for you, but we both know you wouldn't have bought it even if you did like your pirated pre-launch copy... You'd have just kept playing . Please don't patronize us.I played TotK for less then an hour I don't care for it. Not worth $5 let alone $70 to me.
good luck ever making that much as a felon. dude's in for a rough life, or figuring out a way to make untaxable income.he will have a tough time living with a single income. At 30% wage garnishment: He would have to make $75,000, to keep $52500. Nintendo views this as duly avenged.
Laughs inLaughs in celebrating criminal conduct.
nope.Ever stop to consider then, that you're in the wrong?
no. i will admit i did play breath of the wild, luckily i got to play it at 1080p/60 (and unbreakable weapons ) vs console's 900p/up to 30 (720p undocked). i don't have children and i don't like 99.9% of the "made for kids" games that make up their library, don't like overpriced low performance hardware or playing games at 30fps, and i don't like nintendo's anti-consumer practices, so there was no way in hell i was/am going to go out and buy a console to play one game.If Nintendo is “so garbage” then stop playing their games.
Sure - they lost nothing, but you gained something for nothing.That being said, they weren't going to get the money from me anyway so they actually lost nothing. Same as if i would have borrowed the game from a friend or my cousin like we use to do when we were kids.
. I grew up on Nintendo and played a lot of Zelda games and loved most of them, not all of them, and so of course I gotta see if their new Zelda game was good.
3 stooges logic works here.Sure - they lost nothing, but you gained something for nothing.
One thing to note here is that Nintendo has always been against piracy and that has always backfired on them. Nintendo 64 came with cartridge instead of CD to avoid piracy. GameCube came with mini discs again to avoid DVD due to piracy. Wii used DVD and piracy happened, but also the Wii was really successful. WiiU nobody cared. Switch was not only hacked like within a year, but emulated as well, and the Switch is extremely successful. Piracy happened in ways Nintendo couldn't predict like Ultra HLE which turned the emulation world upside down. Nintendo was worried about piracy on their console, but didn't consider that it could be done on PC. Since the cartridges were much smaller and people mostly used 56K modems back then, downloading a N64 game at 8MB was much better than downloding FF7 at hundreds of megabytes. Wii emulation was done instantly because it's basically an upgraded GameCube. The Switch also suffers from this as the OS used on the Swtich is just a modded 3DS OS and the community hacked it to death.I am staunchly against piracy as theft.
I don't mind "piracy" (really a misnomer here) to get a better product (DRM-free, mod-friendly, unpatched, launcher-free etc) if one pays for the actual game first.
Of course, but nobody said when. Games are like cars in that they depreciate in value over time. The good thing about try now and buy later is that it doesn't have to be at $60 or $70. I don't consider Breath of the Wild a game worth buying. I haven't seen reviews of Tears of the Kingdom, so I don't know if Nintendo fixed the problems from BOTW. A grappling hook would be perfect for the game, instead of forcing me to climb walls to get around, which is just wasting my time. It was going to be included in the game, and I figured this out when I traveled to fire mountain and saw these markings and Google'd only to find that this was for the hook shot and Nintendo was too lazy to remove them when they decided to remove it. The lack of dungeons to explore was also bad game design, as I just ran around the world expecting it to be like Skyrim and accidentally find a side quest that was amazing. Waste of an open world. Put actual side quests with real rewards into the game. No more broken weapons. PC's modded that shit out of BOTW and it's great. Don't fuck with the Master Sword. It had better be in TOTK and it better be the most OP weapon in the game, because if it isn't then it'll be DLC and Nintendo can go fuck themselves.Ok, then buy the cartridge, keep it if you like it, sell it if you don't. Easy peasy. Everyone seemed to like Animal Crossing but me, but I was able to pawn it off on a friend (who enjoyed it), so no big deal.
The amount of people who think they know better than Nintendo, who has been around for over 125 years and is one of the most popular and largest companies in the world... Always amuses me.
Get over yourself.
Nintendo doesn't even let you back up your save games or game downloads you bought when they shitcan their store so fuck them. Oh your console died after we closed the store for no reason? tough luck.
Nintendo makes fun games, so I buy Nintendo Hardware to play Nintendo games.
My videocard cost more than the last 3 nintendo systems combined (yes, I have a Wii U) and I still play my Switch more than my PC.
Each Xenoblade game held my interest longer than any "modern" AAA FPS or Open World game has. I have more hours on Breath of the Wild than Witcher 3 or Cyberpunk, and I can play both with ray tracing.
Stop generalizing.
Also you've been saying the same argument for years. It's getting boring.
Shouldn't but they'll be self entitled and feel they should pirate the rom and enjoy the game for free on an emulator .
If Breath of the Wild wasn't a Zelda game, we wouldn't be talking about it. It's very hard to criticize nostalgia franchises like Zelda, because a lot of people love these games to death. Take away the Zelda name and it's an open world game that's devoid of content with copy and paste quests that have four major dungeons to explore. Indie developers have put more effort into their games than Breath of the Wild. If it wasn't for the physics then it would be just another Zelda game with an annoying weapons breaking system.The amount of people who think they know better than Nintendo, who has been around for over 125 years and is one of the most popular and largest companies in the world... Always amuses me.
Get over yourself.
That's one of the few things I'd find acceptable, actually. So long as you buy it when you're playing it, and not 5 years later on clearance .I have no problem with buying the game and then enjoying the ROM on an emulator since you can actually bump the performance to playable levels.
It is a zelda game, and it is the best selling zelda game, so people are talking about it. Tears of the Kingdom is likely gonna be the biggest switch release and easily the biggest Zelda release ever.
You can try to rewrite history as much as you want in your own mind, but it doesn't change what actually occurred.