Some people see the new shinny for sale and must have it, only to play Minecraft on it.
True. But let's face it, Minecraft's historically poorly-performing used to need all the gpu help it could get.
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Some people see the new shinny for sale and must have it, only to play Minecraft on it.
True. But let's face it, Minecraft's historically poorly-performing used to need all the gpu help it could get.
4k God Damned Ray Traced Minecraft!True. But let's face it, Minecraft's historically poorly-performing used to need all the gpu help it could get.
I could've sworn i saw something about a 17th review and 18th buy date. but all of the articles i pulled up after seeing your post just say launching on the 18th. But the leaks have given us a pretty clear picture at this point. so they may as well let reviews drop tomorrow.Is review embargo tomorrow?
Overall, we do wish two things, either the Radeon RX 6700 XT was faster, or it was priced lower. We think the $479 price tag is a bit steep for the performance experienced. If you consider that the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti was similar in gameplay experience, albeit slower, but has a suggested retail price as low as $399, then it makes the Radeon RX 6700 XT seem overpriced.
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2021/03/17/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-video-card-review/9/
I do remember people here arguing with me that the 6700XT wasn't overpriced. Looks like I'm right again and Anthony from Linus Tech Tips seems to come to the same conclusion. It performs far slower than the RTX 3070, and barely matches the performance of the RTX 3060 Ti. Just cause AMD said it'll perform like a RTX 3070 doesn't mean it will. Now watch as AMD pushes bios updates that overclock the memory to justify the $480, just like they did for the 5600XT. The only reason anyone would buy a RX 6700XT is because you can't buy an Nvidia card.Overall, we do wish two things, either the Radeon RX 6700 XT was faster, or it was priced lower. We think the $479 price tag is a bit steep for the performance experienced. If you consider that the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti was similar in gameplay experience, albeit slower, but has a suggested retail price as low as $399, then it makes the Radeon RX 6700 XT seem overpriced.
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2021/03/17/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-video-card-review/9/
I do remember people here arguing with me that the 6700XT wasn't overpriced. Looks like I'm right again and Anthony from Linus Tech Tips seems to come to the same conclusion. It performs far slower than the RTX 3070, and barely matches the performance of the RTX 3060 Ti. Just cause AMD said it'll perform like a RTX 3070 doesn't mean it will. Now watch as AMD pushes bios updates that overclock the memory to justify the $480, just like they did for the 5600XT. The only reason anyone would buy a RX 6700XT is because you can't buy an Nvidia card.
i *was* excited. now, not so much. going to wait. possibly for months.
yeah - not excited. I have a 5700 (flashed xt) and I am going to just wait. MSRP for these were reasonable, but the hoops and scarcity premiums arent worth it. long gone are cards that come with game add ins also.The fact that there is a card launch and maybe some levels of stock should get you excited. At least you have a chance to buy a card. After the first group of cards are gone, these will be $600+ if you can find them. AIB cards will probably start at $600+. Sure if I had a choice between a $399 3060Ti and a $479 6700XT, I'd probably grab the Nvidia card, but I can't buy the $399 card. At best I might have a chance to buy a comparable card at $600 from a NE shuffle. You might actually have a full 30 seconds to attempt to buy a $479 6700XT.
MSRP is an illusion.
GN Steve.
I do remember people here arguing with me that the 6700XT wasn't overpriced. Looks like I'm right again and Anthony from Linus Tech Tips seems to come to the same conclusion. It performs far slower than the RTX 3070, and barely matches the performance of the RTX 3060 Ti. Just cause AMD said it'll perform like a RTX 3070 doesn't mean it will. Now watch as AMD pushes bios updates that overclock the memory to justify the $480, just like they did for the 5600XT. The only reason anyone would buy a RX 6700XT is because you can't buy an Nvidia card.
More importantly is Ray-Tracing since that's the only real advantage these cards have over the previous AMD generation. In that regard the 6700XT is horribly overpriced. Not like it matters when miners and people with GTX 660's are grabbing these faster than you can click reply to my post.Another way of looking at this is that at 1080p the 6700 XT trades blows with the 3070 & 1440p (where its being positioned by AMD) then its competing against the 3060ti
So this boils down to the monitor you have & resolution you are gaming at (assuming RTX & DLSS is not a factor)
the 6700XT is horribly overpriced
Not really. If that were true then the RX 6700 XT would be closer to $400 or even lower since it's comparable to that of the RTX 3060 Ti, and even then it's far worse at Ray-Tracing. AMD is pricing it like that because of the current huge demand. Not like people here having tried to buy this card due to limited availability. The MSRP currently doesn't matter and it won't for at least another year.It's priced in line with Nvidia's product line. Nvidia set the standard with their previous halo parts. Now AMD is just lapping up the margins.
I think it's time that someone ports Linux onto the PS5 so we can play PC games on it. Let Sony and Microsoft in on this limited supply time.It sucks for us, and I expect them to throw down the gauntlet like back in the day, but right now neither company is anywhere close to blinking.
I'll try to stay on topic - if there's one thing the Pandemic has taught me is that consumers will pay substantially more for the same product.There is just no sense for AMD to allow the AIBs and Retailers to pull huge margins when they can take some of that margin itself. We may not like it, but facts are facts.
In fact, you could argue that pricing it cheaper that AMD would not be doing its fiduciary duty for its shareholders.
And I think it is worth keeping in mind as well....if it does not sell at those prices (which I highly doubt happens), all AMD has to do is adjust MSRP. You can always pull prices down, but you don't get to go up after launch.
Edit: That all said, in a "normal" GPU market the 6700 XT would be a $399 or $429 card.
Going forward, the 6700XT probably isn't an $800+ card like some have it listed today. But it probably is a $650 card now and into the future, with the 6800XT (and successors) being ~$850 cards, and 6900XT (and successors) being $1150 cards.
I don't think you understand how the current GPU sales ecosystem works. AMD makes substantially less money than NVIDIA when it comes to GPU margins. You should go through the latest earnings calls as well.Like a lot of people have mentioned, AMD is making thicc profits off these parts
AMD makes substantially less money than NVIDIA when it comes to GPU margins.
I have 2 GeForce 8800 Ultras (for SLI, of course) sitting on my shelf at home. BFG Tech OEM...gotta love that lifetime warranty! Anyway, I purchased them on launch day for $900 ish (a piece!) from Newegg. Newegg had a limit of 1 per person. They happily let me purchase 2. I suspect the reason they did, is because I was the only one buying that day. I paid bank for those cards. But I had NO trouble getting them...no website errors...no OOS...they were at my front door 2 days later.I don't think these prices will hold in the long term. Someone's going to slash prices, probably leading up to refresh time (which might put Nvidia in the lead, there) and then they'll go into a price war.
Like a lot of people have mentioned, AMD is making thicc profits off these parts, so while they're in a position to start a price war, I don't think they'll drop prices first. As for miners, they know we're on the edge of a bubble, so it's looking less and less safe to overspend on graphics cards, although I think they'll be safe for the next 4-6 months.
Which is fine by me, since for the next month at least, the largest market could price all the cards at $1,400 and sell them all, even if they should be priced for $400.
tl;dr I think these prices will normalize, that this isn't a new normal for graphics cards.
The ASUS Tuf 6700XT is $800?? (See today's newegg shuffle) lol
A bunch of them are listed at $480 at least.
(I bet they still sell)
why wouldn't they.
I hear you. My great grandchildren paying off my house for me, and they aren’t even born. Those kids are troopers.I just got $7000 in stimulus money. An $800 video card is chicken feed these days. lolz
But is it? What if they intentionally held it back 10% to keep initial yields happy and things more stable? Then later put out that extra 10% in a bios update to bring it where it was supposed to be, intentionally? Because they can pass off those defects as a bad flash and user error and they can spin the whole thing as giving back to the community with "free performance".The 5600XT official bios update situation for more performance was certainly not the best situation. But....it IS free performance.
And hey, now Nvidia is doing bios updates to add resizeable BAR
AMD just can't manage the same economy to scale that NVidia can for their parts, their R&D costs are very similar for specific technologies, but NVidia outsells them 4 to 1 so those costs get to be spread out over a much larger base improving their margins on each card sold.I don't think you understand how the current GPU sales ecosystem works. AMD makes substantially less money than NVIDIA when it comes to GPU margins. You should go through the latest earnings calls as well.
The cards just released yesterday and the supply on nVidia cards hasn't been great, either. At MSRP the 6700 is a decent value in today's market. I wouldn't buy any of the $600+ cards, but in yesterday's shuffle there was a decent selection of sub-$550 cards, and hopefully that will keep up.AMD just can't manage the same economy to scale that NVidia can for their parts, their R&D costs are very similar for specific technologies, but NVidia outsells them 4 to 1 so those costs get to be spread out over a much larger base improving their margins on each card sold.
I was really hoping that the 6700 cards were going to be their hail mary, solid 1080, good 1440, and enough performance to make student and hobbyist workstation loads feasible, but it's fallen far short on that, and supply on them seems to be far worse than I thought they would be (and I wasn't expecting much).
So when I have to do the next lab refresh I'm probably looking at Intel 11400F's paired with 3060's, they are going to be loads better than the existing machines and probably at least reasonably priced from Dell given the current market. I was really hoping to toss AMD a bone on this one but they've just left me disappointed.
*waits for DukenukemX *Remember, most 3060 cards (not ti) in shuffle have been $500+, and the low end seems to mostly be the EVGA $389 card. Considering the 6700 is about 35-40% faster than the 3060 for standard raster workloads I'd say the $479 MSRP is fine for right now.