pendragon1
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ive made the argument many times, i thanked gn for the proof.I’m glad someone made the vid.
I used to take great pains to disagree with people about some popular case bc the tubes couldn’t be mounted down on aio rad intake.
SFF builds are particularly painful bc they spend more effort cramming parts into a Tetris stack than evaluating cooling and ease of service.
ive made the argument many times, i thanked gn for the proof.
Exactly what I thought. Guess it is good for folks that never took a science class....I guess I always assumed this was common sense.
I think most 280mm AIO need to be installed incorrectly because of tube length unless you remove the GPU.
Not many smaller cases allow 280mm to be installed in the top.
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It's a Meshify C which is big enough for me and support full ATX.Just need a bigger case. That's a tiny pup!
It's a Meshify C which is big enough for me and support full ATX.
Indeed! At least top of radiator is above pump, so not all bad.I don't want to turn this into some sort of madness, but if it was big enough for you, you could mount that rad properly.
lopoetve I'm not sure I'm understanding you here. Who is "his?"Huh.
Just... huh. /me goes back to think about a couple of his designs.
I wound up with the same problem: the tubes aren't long enough to orient the rad 'properly'. Mounting at the top interferes with the memory slots just ever so slightly, so it's a bit of a catch-22 on my Define R5.I think most 280mm AIO need to be installed incorrectly because of tube length unless you remove the GPU.
Not many smaller cases allow 280mm to be installed in the top.
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Meh. My tubes are at the top with front 240 rad and its been fine for almost 4 years like that. tubes are not long enough to change the orientation and they are above the pump.
IRC style commenting. It means I need to go look at my designs.lopoetve I'm not sure I'm understanding you here. Who is "his?"
Pretty much unavoidable with many cases.with front mount and tubes on top, if you make sure the top of the rad is higher than the block it shouldnt be an issue unless you get liquid loss through permeation. then, as TJ said, you could build enough of a bubble for it to get sucked into the pump.
yes. wonder if the hubbub will ever lead to longer tubes.Pretty much unavoidable with many cases.
I think the problem is already being addressed through 'modular' systems but obviously we're not close to that being a common solution.yes. wonder if the hubbub will ever lead to longer tubes.
pendragon1 clearly case makers missed this memo for all those cases they give you the location on the bottom to mount the radiatorBasically anyone who has basic understanding of liquid pump loops knows pump shouldn't be highest point in system. To us it's just common sense to know air to collect in highest point of loop but for those who don't understand how loops work and what air entrapment is Greek.
SmokeRngs Thanks for this summary. Saved me from the ordeal of listening to that entire video. He could have made his key points in about 2 slides and 1 minute.I'm not surprised he had problems with people getting things wrong with the first video. He really needs to do a better job scripting. Not every word needs to be scripted but at least some scripting would allow him to be more concise which I think would lead to less confusion. These are the first two videos of his I've ever watched (mostly due to boredom) and I don't expect I'll ever watch any others. His inability to be concise which causes him to repeat himself over and over is tedious and adds a lot of length and word count which isn't necessary. Plus he needs to hit up a "speaking" class to teach him how to pronounce more clearly. He tends to mush a lot of words causing possible misunderstandings.
The original point of the video boils down to "air rises". Having the block/pump as the highest point in the loop is bad because air will be trapped there which degrades the performance of the loop and will eventually cause damage. Additionally, you want the barbs to be at the lowest point of the loop whenever possible to minimize the air bubbles travelling through the loop. Barbs at the bottom of the loop and the top of the radiator above the block/pump is the ideal solution to allow for the best flow and for air to most likely be trapped at the top of the radiator where it will cause the fewest issues.
He really needs to do a better job scripting. Not every word needs to be scripted but at least some scripting would allow him to be more concise
These are the first two videos of his I've ever watched (mostly due to boredom) and I don't expect I'll ever watch any others. His inability to be concise which causes him to repeat himself over and over is tedious and adds a lot of length and word count which isn't necessary. Plus he needs to hit up a "speaking" class to teach him how to pronounce more clearly. He tends to mush a lot of words causing possible misunderstandings.
The original point of the video boils down to "air rises". Having the block/pump as the highest point in the loop is bad because air will be trapped there which degrades the performance of the loop and will eventually cause damage.
Not optimal for what? It's about the most optimal I can get in my case. It's either an AIO or a 40mm (height) air cooler that's has almost no room to breath. I'd be hard pressed to fit a pump + reservoir in my case, although I did think about it, just a really tight fit and not that confident in it not interfering."Not Optimal" you say... AIO's are not optimal lol.
Looks like you have the space, may as well flip it to be safe. It really.is dependent on how big of an air pocket the AIO has. Probably worse with no name brand AIO with bad QC and older AIOs that are never topped off (yes, even sealed units lose some fluid over time).I ran my H80i like this for years in my main rig, it runs 24/7. It's now in my Plex Server and I think in the same orientation.
It doesn't make any noise and the CPU stays cool. I may flip it around next time I open the case if it's upside down.
Looks like you have the space, may as well flip it to be safe. It really.is dependent on how big of an air pocket the AIO has. Probably worse with no name brand AIO with bad QC and older AIOs that are never topped off (yes, even sealed units lose some fluid over time).
Sometimes it's really difficult depending.on the tube length. Either to short and it can't reach, or to long and you have to coil them. I have one in my ITX and the tubes are on the side (not top or bottom), which keeps one slightly down from the top and the other almost at the bottom. Of course, I have no clue which is inlet/outlet though, lol. I just switch the case to a different style ATX and now they are at the bottom again, but I will probably be attempting a full loop in this case sometime near the end of the year. Should be interesting... 10.1 liters full size GPU and full size ATX PSU, full loop with a 240mm + additional 120mm, haha, going to be a really tight fit.I found a pic from a last year.
It's actually in a different case, and it's upside down.
I'll flip it next time I open it up.
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pendragon1 clearly case makers missed this memo for all those cases they give you the location on the bottom to mount the radiator
Old R3 running repurposed parts for a server, R5 under the desk now.Fractal R3-R5
Old R3 running repurposed parts for a server, R5 under the desk now.
Biggest issue is that the R5 has the two 5.25" bays that preclude moving the AIO high enough, and that the top spacing is too shallow.
Meaning that there's lots of space, but no good space for larger AIOs.
I'm sort of starting to settle on requirements for a new case and cooling, haven't had the slightest idea until I wrote the above.