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Did Nvidia order ASUS to use ROG exclusively for their products? Is that in the contract, ROG -> Nvidia?
Or did ASUS get a choice, and decide to relegate second tier products to a new, 'second tier' brand?
Did Nvidia order ASUS to use ROG exclusively for their products? Is that in the contract, ROG -> Nvidia?
Or did ASUS get a choice, and decide to relegate second tier products to a new, 'second tier' brand?
Did nVidia order Asus"? ...they made Asus and all the other AIBs an offer they couldn't refuse. So effectively yes nVidia did.
So no choice for Asus. ROG ...Asus premium gaming brand HAD to become a nVidia exclusive ...or else! [to understand what the 'or else' actually would entail, I suggest you re-read the article!]
And to refer to AMD's products, inaccurately, as second tier is either fanboi bias or flame-bait. Which is it? ....and still in no way justifies or gives legal cover to what nVidia has done.
What is with this "second tier" shit nvidia fanbois have been going on about, I find it interesting that the argument went from "nothing wrong with what they are doing" to "it doesn't matter, AMD is second tier, Nvidia is best" shit.Sadly, if AMD's GPU's weren't second tier, this discussion wouldn't exist ,as no AIB would have felt the need to opt in to Nvidia's loyalty program.
And until GPP affects framerates, buying habits will remain exactly the same as long as Nvidia continues topping benchmarks. Thus these bandwagon outrage threads are little more than sitting around crying that your girlfriend or wife left you for a rich guy; why it "wasn't a good decision for her" and that the guy now "owns her" because his bankbook, ferrari and malibu mansion put a "gun to her head".
Blame your wife, blame the rich guy, but in the end you're just avoiding the root issue, which is that two parties entered into a mutually beneficial arrangement and it doesn't concern anyone but them.
What is with this "second tier" shit nvidia fanbois have been going on about, I find it interesting that the argument went from "nothing wrong with what they are doing" to "it doesn't matter, AMD is second tier, Nvidia is best" shit.
It's the truth and it's been true for awhile. NVIDIA has had better architectures for at least two generations now. Their drivers have been historically better. Their discrete GPUs are preferred by consumers for gaming purposes by a wide margin.
AMD has a product that competes performance wise with every card Nvidia has except the 1080ti.It's the truth and it's been true for awhile. NVIDIA has had better architectures for at least two generations now. Their drivers have been historically better. Their discrete GPUs are preferred by consumers for gaming purposes by a wide margin.
Ok, serious question.
How much did nVidia pay you to type away your credibility?
AMD has a product that competes performance wise with every card Nvidia has except the 1080ti.
If AMD isn't "second tier" then they should be able to build their own brands with the AIBs in no time flat.
You can word it how you want but it's true that Maxwell and Pascal were superior architectures to whatever AMD was putting out at the time. Hell back in the 290 days weren't they just rebadging old crap?
AMD is in its position because it was lazy for over a decade, and the company was badly, badly mismanaged for so many years. Their laziness has put them in a disadvantaged position and now people are crying, "this isn't fair!"
If AMD isn't "second tier" then they should be able to build their own brands with the AIBs in no time flat.
Do you have selective memory or did you purposely leave nvidia out of your rebranding cards story?
And nothing you typed is relevant, not surprised.You can word it how you want but it's true that Maxwell and Pascal were superior architectures to whatever AMD was putting out at the time. Hell back in the 290 days weren't they just rebadging old crap?
AMD is in its position because it was lazy for over a decade, and the company was badly, badly mismanaged for so many years. Their laziness has put them in a disadvantaged position and now people are crying, "this isn't fair!"
If AMD isn't "second tier" then they should be able to build their own brands with the AIBs in no time flat.
It's not pertinent because NVIDIA has been releasing new architectures. They got two cycles out of Fermi and Kepler and one each out of Maxwell and Pascal. When AMD released the 290 or whatever it was it was some rebadged card from like 1982. AMD hemorrhaged huge marketshare during that period.
And nothing you typed is relevant, not surprised.
As it stands today, AMD is competitive in everything but the very high end.
AMD's past has nothing to do with GPP, stop deflecting and pulling mental gymnastics to try and justify GPP.
Ah, so you only want the facts that you think are pertinent. If only you could see past your bias you might actually not look like a fool.
I would love to hear your guys' explanation for the marketshare differences as they stand now, for discrete GPUs used for gaming. Only a small sliver of sales are 1080Ti's. So what's been going on the last five years?
I dont understand how you dont get it, for the last time, it doesn't matter, what matters is Nvidia has a large amount of the market and is using that market share to put AMD at a disadvantage.I would love to hear your guys' explanation for the marketshare differences as they stand now, for discrete GPUs used for gaming. Only a small sliver of sales are 1080Ti's. So what's been going on the last five years?
I dont understand how you dont get it, for the last time, it doesn't matter, what matters is Nvidia has a large amount of the market and is using that market share to put AMD at a disadvantage.
Performance, pricing, heat, power usage, etc... doesn't fucking matter.
Or, put another way, AMD has put itself at a disadvantage because it's a second-rate GPU producer with no leverage with its partners.
So you finally admit Nvidia is using its leverage in the market to put AMD at a disadvantage, which btw is anti-competitive and most likely illegal, took you long enough to admit it.Or, put another way, AMD has put itself at a disadvantage because it's a second-rate GPU producer with no leverage with its partners.
Or, put another way, AMD has put itself at a disadvantage because it's a second-rate GPU producer with no leverage with its partners.
So you finally admit Nvidia is using its leverage in the market to put AMD at a disadvantage, which btw is anti-competitive and most likely illegal, took you long enough to admit it.
You are wrong, so wrong it's not even funny anymore.Everything in business is "anti-competitive". That's what makes you guys sound so ridiculous.
NVIDIA has nowhere near a monopoly in GPUs.
Everything in business is "anti-competitive". That's what makes you guys sound so ridiculous.
NVIDIA has nowhere near a monopoly in GPUs.
Nvidia becoming a monopoly or increasing market.share through hobbling the competition through the GPP = bad
Pretty much. If AMD and Nvidia were airlines, these outrage bandwagoners would be crying in corners and locking themselves in bathrooms because Nvidia offered a frequent flyer program - "OMG anti-competitive! They're putting a GUN to peoples' heads by offering incentives!"
Why is AMD relying on manufactured outrage instead of legal action to resolve this?
If AMD were serious about their business and marketshare they would treat this in a more "professional" manner, ie. consistent messaging, legal action, and most of all reaching out to agencies in countries with anti-competitive laws.
Because the legal action would take 5-10 years all the while the GPP would be in effect. AMD has dealt with this bullshit before when Intel did it and it didn't turn out well for AMD. This time around AMD is being a hell of a lot more smart about it. Instead of waiting on legal cases which takes years (which is what nVidia is counting on) AMD is going on the PR offensive in order to expose what nVidia is doing without having to wait years in the court system. If the PR is bad enough and enough is exposed outside of the courts, the extortion program known as GPP may very well be dropped before any lasting harm to AMD is done. If the PR campaign is successful it doesn't stop the court cases from continuing either.
Maybe NVIDIA position on this has softened? I really do not know, but I would expect after all the exposure, that it might have shifted gears a bit. That said, NVIDIA will not talk to anyone about their GPP program that is so great for consumers. It is so awesome, that it decided to not comment on it and leave this historic marketing opportunity on the table. /sIf Kyles reporting is correct. (I have complete confidence in his reporting) Then the AIBs where offered contracts that could be read in a way that states the brands they use to sell AMD or Intel or anyone other then NVs cards are to not be gamer focused at all. Its possible we are already seeing that push back a bit from Asus. Yes they signed on quickly but their Arez is being marketed as a gaming brand. Without seeing the wording of the Asus GPP contract we can't say for sure of course... but its possible they have already thumbed their nose at Nvidia, testing to see if they would try to enforce possible exact wording that forbid that.
just came across this, don't think ive ever seen msi "Air Boost" before...
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-ai...aphics-card-black-red/6185105.p?skuId=6185105
I don't recall seeing that branding either. Any reason the word "gaming" isn't on the box?
So was that the branding that was on the box since December?It exist since December..
https://techreport.com/news/32958/msi-gives-radeon-rx-vega-cards-an-air-boost
If the image is a link...Would appear so based on an article during its month of release. https://www.pcgamer.com/msis-radeon-rx-vega-64-air-boost-has-a-bigger-exhaust-for-better-cooling/
If the image is a link...