390X coming soon few weeks

Blk said:
The interesting part is probably the people who interprets facts and those who just want something to be in a certain way.
AMD has said they expect a big revenue loss on graphic products in Q1 and will launch new products Q2 which clearly puts Feb/March out of the question.

But there are alot of people who want a new card now, because they think the markets need it or for a more personal reason. And they're the ones who interpret signs of a launch in all forms of information that floats around. Yet they ignore statements from the only people who actually know, because they don't want to see the negative news that reality brings them.

You have AMD saying Q2 and other credible sources saying it might be later then that, and then you have guys who just know that a Chinese export document is a clear sign that it's close because they want it to be.
The only thing we have is rumors and you decide what you wanna believe...
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I definitely think you hit the nail on the head where information is getting overly interpreted. I'd rather prefer the old method of "a source close to us" than some guy on a forum said, or based off our super skills at navigating corporate shipping documents we believe XYZ is going to happen.

What's really bothersome is AMD representatives dropping very coy statements that completely debunk all logical rumor interpretations based on all the above. At the end of the day it's basically ground zero where nobody really knows whats going on because AMD has become a master of hiding future GPU products much better than Nvidia. I'm more inclined to believe AMD's Q2 hints more than anything, despite thinking as others do that it's far later than people expected last year.

Either way they're really starting to push 2 year cycles which is I think people can see as being a very bad business decision. Nvidia's doing the same thing by saving the best chip for the refresh and then just releasing cut down crap on the refreshes, but at least they're trying to stick with yearly releases. I think we all want sooner rather than later from AMD because the market share they've lost on this 2 year schedule has been tremendous.
 
The Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 thing is a bit strange. Just to add some confusion the US fiscal year Q1 was last year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year#United_States
If AMD is talking fiscal year then Q2 is now until march. Given that the Q2 talk comes from a talk between AMD and their creditors I think fiscal year marking make sense, but nothing was explicit so... ya more confusion :)
 
I'm hoping the companies adapt to the new reality of process shrinks and learn to squeeze more out of their architectures, ala Maxwell.
 
Liger88 said:
Either way they're really starting to push 2 year cycles which is I think people can see as being a very bad business decision. Nvidia's doing the same thing by saving the best chip for the refresh and then just releasing cut down crap on the refreshes, but at least they're trying to stick with yearly releases. I think we all want sooner rather than later from AMD because the market share they've lost on this 2 year schedule has been tremendous.
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It boils down to money. Nvidia has the cash to spend on putting new architectures on old process nodes while everyone waits for TSMC to get their shit together. AMD doesn't have that flexibility, and has to focus on future nodes before creating stopgap products on 28nm.
 
Wickered said:
Source on what "AMD has said"? Thanks in advance.
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http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-eventDetails&EventId=5178684
And before you point out that they only say new graphics products and that doesn't mean the 380x. No, but we're talking about the earliest...


Darakian said:
The Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 thing is a bit strange. Just to add some confusion the US fiscal year Q1 was last year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year#United_States
If AMD is talking fiscal year then Q2 is now until march. Given that the Q2 talk comes from a talk between AMD and their creditors I think fiscal year marking make sense, but nothing was explicit so... ya more confusion :)
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Not that difficult to check what AMD uses, in the same Q4 info linked above you can see that AMD's Q4 ended Dec.27.
 
Liger88 said:
I definitely think you hit the nail on the head where information is getting overly interpreted. I'd rather prefer the old method of "a source close to us" than some guy on a forum said, or based off our super skills at navigating corporate shipping documents we believe XYZ is going to happen.

What's really bothersome is AMD representatives dropping very coy statements that completely debunk all logical rumor interpretations based on all the above. At the end of the day it's basically ground zero where nobody really knows whats going on because AMD has become a master of hiding future GPU products much better than Nvidia. I'm more inclined to believe AMD's Q2 hints more than anything, despite thinking as others do that it's far later than people expected last year.

Either way they're really starting to push 2 year cycles which is I think people can see as being a very bad business decision. Nvidia's doing the same thing by saving the best chip for the refresh and then just releasing cut down crap on the refreshes, but at least they're trying to stick with yearly releases. I think we all want sooner rather than later from AMD because the market share they've lost on this 2 year schedule has been tremendous.
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The thing is AMD is a publicly traded stock company, they have to inform investors about the future. That's a source of information that, 1. Has to be public 2. Can't be untrue (at that time, it can change however) 3. Any changes has to be announced, asap.

That gives us a firm base of information, we can clearly debunk some rumors using that information no matter how you interpret their "coy statements".

AMD is loosing a lot of money they are probably releasing stuff as quick as they can, but they aren't in a situation too choose when. And you're right the rate is slower than it used to be, which adds to the rumor mill because it should been launched given history but that doesn't make it true.
 
Blk said:
The thing is AMD is a publicly traded stock company, they have to inform investors about the future. That's a source of information that, 1. Has to be public 2. Can't be untrue (at that time, it can change however) 3. Any changes has to be announced, asap.

That gives us a firm base of information, we can clearly debunk some rumors using that information no matter how you interpret their "coy statements".

AMD is loosing a lot of money they are probably releasing stuff as quick as they can, but they aren't in a situation too choose when. And you're right the rate is slower than it used to be, which adds to the rumor mill because it should been launched given history but that doesn't make it true.
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A lot of good reasoning here and from some of the other veteran posters. To break it down, here's what's happening:
  • AMD has clearly stated they aren't releasing any new GPU until after Q2 in recent earnings call guidance. As mentioned, there are shareholder and possibly regulatory reprecussions if messages in these statements prove false. Companies are motivated here to be vague enough not to give away exact details while making sure that what they are saying is absolutely true.
  • There has been a real lack or supported detail on the card (all purported benchmarks have turned out false, no photos of the chip or card etc), much less than one would normally see if the product was imminent. Everything mentioned so far, save a few technical details, have either proven to be false, or are from a single unsupported and unsubstantiated source (replicated ad nausium across hardware sites).
  • AMD marketing continues to drop strategically timed "leaks" through various channels to keep the consumer waiting with baited breath and hoping that the product will arrive sooner rather than later (while not buying something else). Further, AMD's marketing consultants are likely here on [H] and in other forums positing these hints.
  • Some enthusiasts are latching on to the aforementioned hints optomistically, snowballing the hope that the product is arriving soon
For those of us who have been following releases for a while have seen this all time and time again. I've seen this same cycle many times over since the Prodigy and Compuserve boards during the Pentium 1 release, and although the product names and hardware changes, the flow is always the same.
 
harmattan said:
For those of us who have been following releases for a while have seen this all time and time again. I've seen this same cycle many times over since the Prodigy and Compuserve boards during the Pentium 1 release, and although the product names and hardware changes, the flow is always the same.
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I feel so old. I was also on the BBS's playing Doom 2 and booting a Packard Bell 486 SX 50 into dos with my boot disk. I can even go back further to the BBS that only allowed 1 or 2 guest on at a time.
 
martinmsj said:
I feel so old. I was also on the BBS's playing Doom 2 and booting a Packard Bell 486 SX 50 into dos with my boot disk. I can even go back further to the BBS that only allowed 1 or 2 guest on at a time.
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You're not old until you pull out a 300-baud VicModem for Commodore 64 out of your attic :)
 
Supposedly AMD will provide more guidance regarding its future product road map on Feb 10 (Financial Analyst day).
 
harmattan said:
You're not old until you pull out a 300-baud VicModem for Commodore 64 out of your attic :)
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You're not old until you've replaced a 55lb expansion card roughly 4'x4' square (Stamped as "Made in 1964") in a Honeywell CP-642B, then used the front panel registers to load Assembly code to perform the bootstrap process to see if your card swap worked
 
Darakian said:
The Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 thing is a bit strange. Just to add some confusion the US fiscal year Q1 was last year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year#United_States
If AMD is talking fiscal year then Q2 is now until march. Given that the Q2 talk comes from a talk between AMD and their creditors I think fiscal year marking make sense, but nothing was explicit so... ya more confusion :)
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Yeah, companies choose their own fiscal years. Some align them to calendar years others do not.

Organizations with high seasonal sales around the holidays tend to not want the fiscal year to end right after the frenzy and during the post holiday sales, and shift it a bit to smooth things out, and capture their biggest sales period of the year in the same fiscal year.

From my perspective working in companies, internal planning always seems to follow calendar year though. Fiscal year is something only the executives and bean counters are concerned with.
 
Whatever....

390X? I'm in the market for an HTPC/Gaming card with future-proofing.

I own a GTX 970 in a different rig. You know, that 3.5Gb card? ;) Compared to the R9 290X, the TDP's are ~ 150w to 300w. That knocks the 290X out of consideration for a HTPC due to cooling requirements.

If a 390 (plain or "X") has significantly better TDP than the 290X, then that's what I'll do.

I've got my fingers crossed that AMD pays attention to power/heat with this next gen card.
 
notarat said:
You're not old until you've replaced a 55lb expansion card roughly 4'x4' square (Stamped as "Made in 1964") in a Honeywell CP-642B, then used the front panel registers to load Assembly code to perform the bootstrap process to see if your card swap worked
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Holy cow did you really do that!?!
Thats impressive if you did, old hardware gets me nostalgic.
 
notarat said:
You're not old until you've replaced a 55lb expansion card roughly 4'x4' square (Stamped as "Made in 1964") in a Honeywell CP-642B, then used the front panel registers to load Assembly code to perform the bootstrap process to see if your card swap worked
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I am soo glad I dont even know what that is...
 
notarat said:
You're not old until you've replaced a 55lb expansion card roughly 4'x4' square (Stamped as "Made in 1964") in a Honeywell CP-642B, then used the front panel registers to load Assembly code to perform the bootstrap process to see if your card swap worked
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I thought I was old, but the only experience of this scale I've had was in college on retired equipment when my friends and I took a decommissioned VAX8600 and rolled it halfway across campus to our dorm and stashed it in a community room in the basement as we were so enamored with the thing, and then we are only talking early 80's mainframes...
 
Was just a kid in the 70's , but this commercial I remember seeing on a film they showed us in kindergarten about computers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0zgj2p7Ww4

Many today don't really get just how much was invented by Xerox at Xerox Parc, mouse , GUI , ethernet and so on. As an example Bob Metcalfe took the ethernet idea from there and left because Xerox didn't really want to push it much , which resulted in him founding 3COM.

(sorry for the continued derail , just was glad to see some other old folks with me in here , while I just missed the Honeywell stuff , jumping on the first home consoles with the UHF connectors and pong and hockey from Radio Shack is my timeline :) )
 
Is the 380x definitely going to be water cooling only even with the branded boards? This might make it not usable for me as I don't know where that radiator would fit in a fractal R4 case... (assuming the radiator would be the same dimensions as the 295x2 radiator).. Making the card water cooling only is a bit crap to be honest. If you look at the heatsink on the 295x2.... WHERE exactly are 90% of people supposed to be able to fit that heatsink? side intake : no, bottom intake : no, rear outtake : no, top : possibly.... Or you could put it in a front fan slot blowing outwards but that would be quite stupid and would mess up all other airflow.
 
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Nicholars said:
Is the 380x definitely going to be water cooling only even with the branded boards? This might make it not usable for me as I don't know where that radiator would fit in a fractal R4 case... (assuming the radiator would be the same dimensions as the 295x2 radiator).. Making the card water cooling only is a bit crap to be honest. If you look at the heatsink on the 295x2.... WHERE exactly are 90% of people supposed to be able to fit that heatsink? side intake : no, bottom intake : no, rear outtake : no, top : possibly.... Or you could put it in a front fan slot blowing outwards but that would be quite stupid and would mess up all other airflow.
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That design is just one possibility of what we'll see when the card ships. It's also an unknown if it would be for the 380x, 390x or what. Also, it is likely that even if there were a reference design that included AIO, some of the AIBs would likely still figure out fan designs of the cards so you won't be SOL.

There seems to be time until this card is actually going to launch, so no reason to start freaking out yet.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
Holy cow did you really do that!?!
Thats impressive if you did, old hardware gets me nostalgic.
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Every Data Processing Technician in the mid-80's did that or something similar...

We had 3 CP-642 Bravo's on our ship and you had to know how to program it using assembly to point it to the proper tape drive to boot it up.

NTDS-cp-642-console-.jpg


Our disk drives used the same FRAM air filter as the 1985 Ford Ranger pick up truck.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041395903 said:
I thought I was old, but the only experience of this scale I've had was in college on retired equipment when my friends and I took a decommissioned VAX8600 and rolled it halfway across campus to our dorm and stashed it in a community room in the basement as we were so enamored with the thing, and then we are only talking early 80's mainframes...
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I still have an active VAX VMS and UYK-7/Share-43 Programming certifications, LOL.

We used a mix of VAX 11/780s and Vax 4000's as well as UYK-7s and UYK-43s at my shore command.
 
jackstar7 said:
That design is just one possibility of what we'll see when the card ships. It's also an unknown if it would be for the 380x, 390x or what. Also, it is likely that even if there were a reference design that included AIO, some of the AIBs would likely still figure out fan designs of the cards so you won't be SOL.

There seems to be time until this card is actually going to launch, so no reason to start freaking out yet.
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I think I'll be going back to AMD Radeons this next upgrade cycle if they offer a 6GB or higher version of their flagship card.

I see a lot of instances where the VRAM usage on my titans exceed 4.9-5GB so I need something with a bit more RAM on it
 
notarat said:
I think I'll be going back to AMD Radeons this next upgrade cycle if they offer a 6GB or higher version of their flagship card.

I see a lot of instances where the VRAM usage on my titans exceed 4.9-5GB so I need something with a bit more RAM on it
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What resolution do you play at?

I've never seen my single Titan go over ~2GB of use at 2560x1600... In retrospect I consider the 6GB card a bit of a waste.
 
jackstar7 said:
That design is just one possibility of what we'll see when the card ships. It's also an unknown if it would be for the 380x, 390x or what. Also, it is likely that even if there were a reference design that included AIO, some of the AIBs would likely still figure out fan designs of the cards so you won't be SOL.

There seems to be time until this card is actually going to launch, so no reason to start freaking out yet.
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The coolers on the 290x have good heatsinks and fans that keep the 275w TDP 290x cool enough, hopefully it will just have something like that, 300w is only 25w more but an extremely high TDP though... my OIL HEATER next to my desk is 500w and that can heat my room in a few hours... And the ONLY purpose of the oil heater is to turn 500w electricity into heat haha. Oh well if this is 30-40% better than a 970 and priced well then it would be worth it.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041401254 said:
What resolution do you play at?

I've never seen my single Titan go over ~2GB of use at 2560x1600... In retrospect I consider the 6GB card a bit of a waste.
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Add 2 more of those 1600 monitors and you'll start to see more memory get used.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041401254 said:
What resolution do you play at?

I've never seen my single Titan go over ~2GB of use at 2560x1600... In retrospect I consider the 6GB card a bit of a waste.
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I've got a 3GB 780 and regular see nearly all of it used on a single 2560x1440 monitor.
 
Apparently people are seeing 4GB 980's max out memory at 1080. So, YMMV.

On topic, I eagerly await what the boys at AMD have for us. I'm due for an upgrade.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041401254 said:
What resolution do you play at?

I've never seen my single Titan go over ~2GB of use at 2560x1600... In retrospect I consider the 6GB card a bit of a waste.
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I play highly-modded games like Skyrim at 4k.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
More chiphell leaks today.
Sorry if old news.

http://www.chiphell.com/thread-1231917-1-1.html

These are, uhh, probably the most ambitious leaked numbers yet. All of the previous ChipHell leaks were fakes, though.
They're also confirming hybrid air/water cooler in that thread.
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Not too far off from the previous fake rumors (~40% over 980).

at this point I actually want some rumors to state it's only a modest improvement over the 290X just so I can temper my expectations a little.
 
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