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You don't have to use Metro any more often than you had to click the start button before, it IS the start button now. If anything it's nicer because instead of searching a small rectangle at the bottom left of your screen for programs you have installed, you now have them all full screen to easily spot/see. People complaining about being forced to use Metro I'm pretty sure never complained about being forced to use the start menu.
Windows is quite a serious OS.
Windows 8 is an improvement of it.
After reading this simple description it changes the way I look at Windows 8. For some reason I didn't put it together and I don't think a lot of people are. When you forget about Metro being anything more then a fancy start menu, it starts to make sense. In fact very little has changed when you look at it that way, how much time do you spend in the start menu?
No it isn't.
You don't have to use Metro any more often than you had to click the start button before, it IS the start button now. If anything it's nicer because instead of searching a small rectangle at the bottom left of your screen for programs you have installed, you now have them all full screen to easily spot/see. People complaining about being forced to use Metro I'm pretty sure never complained about being forced to use the start menu.
It actually is. You probably whined about XP looking childish, huh?
They most likely complained when Microsoft removed the code to use the Windows 95 style start menu in Windows 7.
It actually is. You probably whined about XP looking childish, huh?
It actually is. You probably whined about XP looking childish, huh?
Exactly, and we're not asking you to believe it, just sharing our experience of playing with the different previews.Most of the complaints I'm hearing about Win8 are cosmetic
I even wonder if OEMs will play the game: So far, they have always shipped their PCs with the latest version of Windows, but there might be a demand to have modern PCs pre-installed with Windows 7 even after Windows 8 releases if people see Windows 8 as a "touch" OS.
Most of the complaints I'm hearing about Win8 are cosmetic and/or about optional features. I haven't heard a lot about issues that plagued past Windows flops: Stability and compatibility issues. ME bombed due to terrible stability problems. Vista bombed mainly due to immature 64 bit driver support by hardware manufacturers.
Exactly, and we're not asking you to believe it, just sharing our experience of playing with the different previews.
But eventually ergonomics is what makes or kill an operating system, because that's what you use all the time everyday. The mixed Metro/Desktop UI does bug me on several counts, and I never could get used to it on a standard desktop PC. The Metro Start splash screen just feels to flashy and I find it unnecessary to hide all my windowed apps just to call another app or tool that is not on the taskbar.
I understand that Microsoft needed a whole new framework to really make touch work and to introduce apps that don't have the burden of the legacy and compatibility of all previous versions of Windows, and it's actually something that I applaud, but the way it was implemented is just not working for many desktop users, and touch is limited to a few applications, like small mobile devices.
I wonder if the Metro tiles could not be available on the Desktop UI, à la Active Desktop, where you could pin WMP frames playing whole movies on the desktop.
This whole new UI is great to reflect changes in technology, such as touch, but desktop PCs in the enterprise or home don't have touch and feel left behind. Even touch users for that matter, since there are virtually no Metro app available at launch, a very limited choice of devices, and they're still forced to dig into the Desktop UI for some Windows tasks.
Regardless, don't take the word of the "complainers" for it, each to their own opinion, and let the sales figures decide whether it's a success or not. Windows 7 was what Vista should have been, so everybody and their dog rushed on it, but my guess is that this will not happen for Windows 8. I even wonder if OEMs will play the game:
So far, they have always shipped their PCs with the latest version of Windows, but there might be a demand to have modern PCs pre-installed with Windows 7 even after Windows 8 releases if people see Windows 8 as a "touch" OS.
100 products even if they all are available at launch is still an extremely limited choice. Most people prefer the freedom of a wireless mouse even on a touchpad for tasks such as browsing or Powerpoint presentations in a meeting, that can be done from a reclining chair, rather than moving your whole body forward to touch the screen every time you need to click on a link.Intel is deeply involved with OEMs on ultrabook designs of all sorts with touch, Intel is claiming that there's over a hundred such products from all of the major OEMs in the works.
And the Metro app library will grow at a phenomenal rate. Even if Windows 8 only sells at the rate of Vista, that's still hundreds of millions of devices that can run Metro apps, far too large of a market for developers to ignore.
So much crying over metro. I actually like it, rather than having to stare at a tiny start menu in the bottom right of my tripple screen setup, I can actually sit back and see what I am doing. Not that my eyes are particularly bad (20:25 uncorrected), but this is a god send. Not to mention Live Tiles convey information at a glance. I already love this on my Windows Phone, but being able to see my Email, Messages, how the stock market is doing, what the weather is like, all at once is awesome.
So you like a cluttered desktop..good for you. I want nothing except a picture on mine. All most of us who are sane are asking for is a choice. That isn't an unreasonable demand for a "supposedly" consumer aimed interface. Let those that like the cluttered mess of metro have it and let those who hate it use a proven standard.
So you like a cluttered desktop..good for you. I want nothing except a picture on mine. All most of us who are sane are asking for is a choice. That isn't an unreasonable demand for a "supposedly" consumer aimed interface. Let those that like the cluttered mess of metro have it and let those who hate it use a proven standard.
And plenty of us who are sane who have thought about this and it's just isn't as simply as having two different UIs and that's it. That inherently adds more complexity and confusion to a product that's already complex and considered confusing by a lot of people.
What exactly stops you from having a clear desktop in windows 8? Nobody is forcing you to leave the Metro start menu open, do you leave your start menu open all the time right now?
I don't need my "hot points" to be on the far fucking end of a triple 24" monitor setup.
Already responded in the other thread heatless..It doesn't really add any complexity.
I don't need my start menu to take up my entire 24" monitor.
I don't need my "hot points" to be on the far fucking end of a triple 24" monitor setup.
I don't want my computer to Auto boot straight into that tiled bullshit.
I don't want my productivity machine acting like a 10" tablet.
I want my Productivity machine to have a Productivity UI, Not a Consumption UI.
Is that really so hard to grasp? You want it, you like it. That's great. I don't I have tried it and frankly it sucks. I love it on a tablet but it is a constant source of "piss off" on my desktop. There is literally nothing I like about metro on my desktop, it is a freaking horribly designed and terrible to look at UI for a large monitor environment. It is Microsoft's windows version of a console port to a PC. It wasn't designed for my PC and it reminds you every time you attempt to do anything. My desktop monitors are getting bigger, not smaller and aren't including touch ever. I have no need or desire to have a touch oriented OS on it.
So you like a cluttered desktop..good for you. I want nothing except a picture on mine. All most of us who are sane are asking for is a choice. That isn't an unreasonable demand for a "supposedly" consumer aimed interface. Let those that like the cluttered mess of metro have it and let those who hate it use a proven standard.
Already responded in the other thread heatless..It doesn't really add any complexity.
Oh, and if you had no metro but just the other changes, you would whine and saying" I am not Fing paying for this, its just windows 7 SP2, give me everything for free."
Then just keep using Windows 7, not to difficult, eh? The fact that you use expletives and absolutes in the negative does not make them so.
Oh, and if you had no metro but just the other changes, you would whine and saying" I am not Fing paying for this, its just windows 7 SP2, give me everything for free."
Then just keep using Windows 7, not to difficult, eh? The fact that you use expletives and absolutes in the negative does not make them so.
I responded as well in the other thread, but here's another point.
With devices like the my Lenovo 220t convertible Tablet PC or Samsung Series 7 Slate it would be beyond pointless to have two completely different OS UIs. So in desktop mode you get this UI but in tablet mode in a dock you get this UI unless you turn off the UI switch and then running as a tablet you get the desktop UI?
I don't think people that think the UI switch is simple have used Tablet PCs much and don't understand just how instant the transition to desktop to tablet can be with Windows or that all input methods are always available no matter the form factor. There are going to be FAR more touch enable PCs than ever before with Windows 8. People thinking the UI switch is a great idea are thinking that PCs aren't going to be radically different from todays versions. Considering the horrific plight of the many PC OEMs, they had better be.
Oh, and if you had no metro but just the other changes, you would whine and saying" I am not Fing paying for this, its just windows 7 SP2, give me everything for free."
A hybrid device should always be treated like a tablet unless the user specifies otherwise.
Problem solved.
Or to simplify -
Any device that has a touch device primary, the default UI settings are Metro.
Any device that has no touch, the default UI settings are Aero.
UI Changes Require a reboot.
There you go..all problems solved and any level of complexity accounted for. Everyone walks away happy and users like myself no longer have a reason to bitch.
5. Cannot say which is which, various threads have presented views from many angles in plain, everyone seems to have valid circumstances...
Oh, and if you had no metro but just the other changes, you would whine and saying" I am not Fing paying for this, its just windows 7 SP2, give me everything for free."
People defending W8 make all these stupid assumptions about those with complaints. Let's add this one to the list.
I don't think anyone is denying W8 as a having a good touch interface. I think you'd struggle to find many posts arguing that point. At some point I have said that W8 on touch devices will have more competition than Windows on desktop and traditional laptops, but to find people saying it's a bad touch interface, yeah, not so much.I agree. But only to the extent that you really know how most people will respond to Windows 8. I admit, Windows 8 was completely natural to me. It's like a god send to a tablet PC user. It's the most natural thing UI I've ever seen because I used Windows across form factors and input capabilities.
What has bothered me about this debate is that I'm having a pretty large disconnect with those who don't have experience with Windows on multiple form factors. However than does tell me something which does seem to be popular opinion online. Windows 8 is actually a solid touch UI, people will condemn Windows 8 on desktops but at the same time think that it does work with touch devices.
The contention of most people with complaints is we AREN'T in a post-PC era and we won't be in a post-PC era for a long time. Even if touch is increasing, PC ain't going away just like that. For that reason, I maintain that if MS want's in on the tablet/phone market they should design a SEPARATE OS for tablet/touch instead of trying to mash both a touch interface and a regular desktop interface together.Another reason why I think Windows 8 has a chance. I can't wait to see how the pundits will say something like "Windows 8 has a solid touch experience. But the keyboard and mouse experience is subpar. But didn't I just tell you last week that this is post-PC era?, Fuck."