Where are the 8K Monitors?

[elvn]

Thanks, that would make one of the common scenario for me (I often have many sport events on the side monitors at the same time during the playoff season and those streaming site often have a lot of extra ads all around in non fullscreen mode).

The you code and launch an fullscreen 3d window application, being a different issue....

You can do the same thing with that floating window addon that kasakka linked and it will retain the ability to see the scrub timeline thumbnails and right click menu of youtube. I set it to ask me if I wanted a pop out window in an additional firefox instance, or maxed within the existing browser tab each time I hit the maximize button. Within the same tab it operates much like the maximize video addon but retains all of the youtube timeline and right click functionality. If you break the video out into its own frame, it'll open a new lightweight instance of firefox though which I don't prefer vs my windows management softwares and functions which identify by singular app name. It also keeps a title bar in the break out window firefox instances which isn't optimal. However,you could still go another step and hit the firefox built in pop-out icon or hotkey to layer that and resize it right over the top of the extra firefox instance of "floating window" addon, and hotkey toggle back when you want the youtube interface stuff right beneath it.

Edit: on further inspection, the regular picture in picture toggle in firefox also opens new instances that are visible when mousing over the firefox icon on the taskbar or when hitting ctr+alt+Tab menu to swap between windows. The difference is, the floating-window browser addon removes the additional video tabs from my list of tabs in the actual browser list when I open float more than one (youtube tested) video at a time. So the only way to acces those (other than mousing over to and clicking on the video frame directly) is from alt+Tab, ctrl+alt+Tab (persistent tab menu), or making my taskbar visible and hovering over the firefox taskbar icon. I can deal with that though. The main issue is that it keeps the title bar where the default firefox pop out is a full frameless tile.

 

[improwise]

How far away are you sitting from the QN900C?

My entire setup is in a state of disarray currently due to me comparing several monitors side by side. But I always consider PPI rather than screen size so in regards to both the QN900 and the Neo G9 57" that would be the same as a 4K 32". Any additional screen area I treat as a multi monitor setup (without all the hazzle, well, most of it anyway). I am a heavy user of virtual desktops even though using an 8K monitor so I always have a few apps centered on each that would get 80-90% of my attention in a day.

I owned the Samsung CRG9 superultrawide and the LG CX 48" at the same time and always struggled with the CX's height even at 1m viewing distance. I felt that the top 1/4 of the screen was always uncomfortable to use so I used it closer to an ultrawide by just leaving the top portion empty. Otherwise I'd be constantly looking up and down to use e.g browser controls/tabs on top of the window, while that area was not big enough to fit any "secondary" apps you might want to glance occasionally.

This is one of the main perks with 8K, that you basically have a huge canvas that you can form an use anyway you wont. Personally I find 8K to wide and 2k to low, so I mainly use something like 6k3k. Always found the 16:9 format to be ideal. I use PowerToys mainly for this.

I'm still considering the Neo G9 57", if the right price comes up. I was actually looking at it in a store yesterday, right next to the ARK 55" and OLED G9 49". I can agree the viewing angles on the 57" aren't the best, but overall it seemed like the sweet spot between those three displays. The ARK looked low res, the OLED G9 was too small and the 57" was pretty good.

The Neo G9 57" to me is very much WYSIWYG - as long as you know mainly about the 240 hz limitations, there are quite few surprises (at least assuming you get one that is working, my latest one had several dead pixels).

 

[elvn]

I use a stream deck (+ some displayfusion function hotkeys mapped to it) for my windows management:

I have stream deck buttons that will (open the app if not already open) -> min/restore by app button with the app icon on the lcd buttons on multi-press though too, or a generic min/restore window button for whatever the active window is, and a full screen/restore button, full width/restore button toggle, full height/restore button toggle, plus a bunch of saved positions by button etc.

The app icons are in a sub-directory of buttons of of this main page (middle bottom button). Hitting an app icon like outlook mail for example will:
- check to see if the app is already open, if not, then open it and place it in it's pre-defined "home position" I set up in it's script.
. . (you can use simple targeting reticle to capture a window position/co-ordinates after you dragged a window and resized it somewhere while setting up the function the first time).
- If the app, outlook in this case, is already open, check if it's minimized or restored and change it to the opposite state.
. . So I can just hit the button a few times and an app will teleport to it's home position, then min/restore in a cycle each button press.

The front page here shows the generic window positions I teleport whatever the active window is to.
They way I have the single 1/3rd of portrait mode screen heights set up , plus 2/3's of portrait mode screen height window positions allows me to puzzle-piece them together nicely.
The three different screen buttons each teleport the active window to a home position on that particular screen. The left and right ones put the window at the bottom, full width, 66% (2/3) height. The middle OLED button puts the active window 60% width in middle of screen, full height.
Also shown is a generic active window max height/restore toggle, max width restore toggle, full-screen/restore toggle button.
The bottom right corner, one from the right corner, is the global saved windows positions profile that will teleport all of my most used apps to their "home" positions no matter how much I shuffled things around beforehand.
I can drop down a directory using the bottom right corner button and save a few other window position profiles on the fly if I want to as well, then home/dir.up back to that main button page shown here.

However, if you ever end up removing the tab bar on firefox like I outlined, you can use this add-on to replace the Min-Max-Restore buttons as one space saving button with a drop-down to all three buttons. It's pretty neat.


https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/min-max-close-hub/

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On a 8k screen, I'd probably experiment with a similar type of window layout to that stream deck one, with a central over-under of two 4k spaces as full 4k windows, and then 1920 wide columns on the sides full of windows 1/3 height each or 2/3 height + a 1/3 height window depending what I was doing or lookin at, at any given time.
There would be enough space to try out other configurations too though. Might be able to even fit 4 windows tall on the sides, ~ 1920 x 1080 each, or do a long web page up to 3/4 tall + 1/4 top window.

 

[improwise]

Since this has basically turned into a software thread recently anyway, is there a way to override the location of the quick launch / clock etc in Windows? You can center application icons but not the quick start one (or whatever they are called) which means they are VERY far away on a 8K 65"

 

[kasakka]

Since this has basically turned into a software thread recently anyway, is there a way to override the location of the quick launch / clock etc in Windows? You can center application icons but not the quick start one (or whatever they are called) which means they are VERY far away on a 8K 65"

Maybe try building regions with Displayfusion? You can use it together with MS Powertoys FancyZones.

 

[improwise]

Maybe try building regions with Displayfusion? You can use it together with MS Powertoys FancyZones.

Seems really overkill do use DP just for that. Perhaps there is a mod for WinAero or WinHawk?

 

[elvn]

I realize the whole window management thing isn't 100% on topic, though it's somewhat applicable in talking about large amounts of screen real-estate I guess. That in relation to how worth it 8k as a multi-monitor replacement would be and with what tradeoffs vs multiple 4k screens for example.

Since this has basically turned into a software thread recently anyway, is there a way to override the location of the quick launch / clock etc in Windows? You can center application icons but not the quick start one (or whatever they are called) which means they are VERY far away on a 8K 65"

You mean the taskbar and the windows start menu button? This might not be your kind of things but I love it. Even if it's not for you overall, maybe you could find a few useful things in this writeup:




. . I typically hide my start menu completely (and make it translucent). I use TaskBarHider app and set it to a custom hotkey (Ctrl+Shift + Z in my case). That acts as a show/hide toggle, locking the taskbar away or popping it up (no mouse-over messiness). I still might peep at the taskbar rarely but mostly it stays hidden. No need for it considering these other options below.

. . The only thing I really need the taskbar for anymore is the system tray. If I could find an app that breaks the system tray out of ~ duplicates the system tray to it's own app window I'd love it.

. . For the windows menu, you can just hit the windows key on your keyboard.

. . To launch practically anything (if not on my stream deck) -> you can just hit Winkey + S to pull up search and type one or two letters. The windows search function is very smart now. I usually hit ctrl+S, type a few letters and hit enter. It's on the app I need nearly 100% of the time so I can just hit enter (but puts a few other near hits beneath it if similarly named apps with the same first few letters). I think it also prioritizes by usage of the app or by how many times you win+S launched it. Not sure but it works great. Win+S , a few letters + enter takes like 1 second. It's also great for pulling up windows settings,etc instead of perusing through menus or using the old run menu .msc terms, etc.

. . If you need to swap between apps, I use CTRL + ALT + TAB. That will pop up a persistent ALT-TAB menu that lasts until you activate one of the tiles. Alternately you can use ALT+TAB but that makes the tabbed tiles menu disappear when you release it (activating whatever tile it was on automatically). That can happen accidentally so I prefer the CTRL methods.
If using displayfusion with multiple monitors, you can also set DisplayFusion to only show what app tiles are active on that particular active monitor, which is very handy.

If you are using a stream deck, you can set CTRL + ALT + TAB to it's own stream deck button. Either way (stream deck button or manually pressing ALT+CTRL+TAB) , further presses of that hotkey combo while the persistent tab menu of app tiles is up will cycle the focus between different tabs from left to right. Pressing (or making a button for) CTRL + SHIFT + ALT + TAB will cycle the app tiles in reverse (in a persistent tab tile menu since CTRL is included). So you could make a button for TAB tiling forward, and one for TAB tiling in reverse - then normally you'd hit enter, but you could put a stream deck button right next to the ALT+CTRL+TAB and CTRL+ SHIFT + ALT + TAB buttons that hits enter when you press it to make it quick and easy (keeping your hand on the mouse).

. . Displayfusion does have it's own taskbars that can mimic the windows one, and they also can show the system tray now. So if you hide the main one, you could, like kasakka suggested, probably use displayfusion to manipulate where the displayfusion taskbar or taskbars are, with or without setting up multiple virtual monitor spaces depending. I moved away from using taskbars though.



. . Using a stream deck's buttons, I assign all of my most used apps to an array of stream deck buttons which act as launcher buttons, and once launched, the app buttons act as a minimize and restore to home position I set for the app toggle. So I don't need to access apps from the taskbar at all really for launch/minimize/maximize~restore, etc.

. . Stream deck: You can also set up a few sets of master app launch buttons. Minimum apps used as a master launch button, and most apps used as a master launch button, (or genres like "image editiing apps" , "general browsing" , etc. . ) and it will launch all of the apps you previously assigned to that master app launch function one by one, settting a brief wait time between each launch to keep it from getting messy, keep app launches from stepping on each other's toes. It can also check to see if the app is already open and then skip by it. If you want the genre launchers to close other open apps that aren't in it's function you can have it do that too, or just set a button to close everything first and then hit whatever master launch button.
You can also set up an easy saved window positions profile, which will shuffle all of your commonly open windows back to the last place you saved them to using the displayfusion app. I set that displayfusion hotkey to a stream deck button too so that it's quick and easy with a lcd button showing what it does instead of trying to remember hotkeys.

. . You can use rainmeter or windows widgets if you really need a clock. They also do weather, etc. and can show system resource meters/usage. I'd probably get a small usb monitor, the long short kind, if I needed that stuff visible 100% of the time rather than leaving window space open for it. I use a tablet on a tray on the side for some things at times.


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With all of the desktop/app real-estate of an 8k monitor, you could have most of your apps tiled on the desktop already so a taskbar is needed even less really. Same with my triple 4k setup.

I still highly recommend a stream deck. It has some windows management addons built for it too which do some of the same things displayfusion functions do, so you don't necessarily have to use displayfusion with it. DP has some great functions you can tie to it though as well, and you can micro-manage things more.
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[improwise]

I realize the whole window management thing isn't 100% on topic, though it's somewhat applicable in talking about large amounts of screen real-estate I guess. That in relation to how worth it 8k as a multi-monitor replacement would be and with what tradeoffs vs multiple 4k screens for example.

Since I seem to be the only one with an 8K "monitor", I don't really mind

You mean the taskbar and the windows start menu button? This might not be your kind of things but I love it. Even if it's not for you overall, maybe you could find a few useful things in this writeup:

No, System Tray icons based on what it seem to be called in Settings.

WindHaw now contains a fix for those rounded window corners as well which MS force on us a few years ago BTW if anyone wants that. Personally I hate rounded corners and the built in fix in Fanzy zones is only a partial fix. Maybe DisplayFusion has this as well?

 

[elvn]

Since I seem to be the only one with an 8K "monitor", I don't really mind


No, System Tray icons based on what it seem to be called in Settings.

WindHaw now contains a fix for those rounded window corners as well which MS force on us a few years ago BTW if anyone wants that. Personally I hate rounded corners and the built in fix in Fanzy zones is only a partial fix. Maybe DisplayFusion has this as well?

If you mean the system tray by the system clock and by the notifications button... yeah that is real thorn in my side because I don't want to ever have to invoke the taskbar if I can help it. I looked around in hope that some app could clone the system tray but the only thing that does is displayfusion's own taskbars I think. I could probably just stuff a short dispayfusion taskbar somewhere on screen but idk if I can show/hide displayfusion taskbars. I'd have to look into it. I don't want a persistent bar anywhere.

Edit: so far I found that you can set displayfusion taskbars to auto-hide but I don't like the messy mouseover thing. I'll see if there is any hotkey functionality possible, and see how short you can make the taskbar. If I could make a hotkey show/hide toggle mini taskbar that is essentially just the system tray, it could work out for me. I'd rather it be more like an app window I could place anywhere though.

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[improwise]

If you mean the system tray by the system clock and by the notifications button... yeah that is real thorn in my side because I don't want to ever have to invoke the taskbar if I can help it. I looked around in hope that some app could clone the system tray but the only thing that does is displayfusion's own taskbars I think. I could probably just stuff a short dispayfusion taskbar somewhere on screen but idk if I can show/hide displayfusion taskbars. I'd have to look into it. I don't want a persistent bar anywhere.

Edit: so far I found that you can set displayfusion taskbars to auto-hide but I don't like the messy mouseover thing. I'll see if there is any hotkey functionality possible, and see how short you can make the taskbar. If I could make a hotkey show/hide toggle mini taskbar that is essentially just the system tray, it could work out for me. I'd rather it be more like an app window I could place anywhere though.

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When you finally get an 8K monitor, I think you will find that you can be a bit wasteful and let the task bar be visible all the time

I guess there are other options to display a clock, and perhaps there are other ways to access those features that hides beneath those icons anyway, but I agree that it is frustrating that there just isn't a setting for it, especially since there is one for the main taskbar icons. As I understand it, the times where you could resize / move the tastbar yourself is now also gone? Seems crazy to have to use something like DP just for this.

 

[elvn]

I just got away from using taskbars, especially with my stream deck. Bars are ugly and a waste no matter what size+rez screen. They are like having a bumper sticker on the screen. They were made more for a single limited desktop/app real-estate screen in order to swap apps like pulling up playing cards one at a time (which CTRL+ALT+TAB does even better) . My apps have their own bars already in them much of the time already too, I don't need more bars

Incidentally, you can set displayfusion option to only show what ctrl+alt+tab tiles are active on that particular, currently active (mouse clicked on or otherwise shifted focus to) monitor, and I think even if you set up virtual monitor spaces it should be confined into those if you choose that option. . You can also customize the size the tiles will appear in the tab menu which is really nice.


So far, I set the displayfusion taskbar to custom size, pretty slim. I couldn't find any way to shorten the bar or make it drag-able, but I can move it to the far side of a screen and make it show/hide on mouseover for now. Set it to translucent background in the DP settings too.

If I can find a way to hotkey it with a function in the displayfusion user libraries I'll try that out. I'd rather it just be a smaller bar/window though ultimately. Really though, like I said, I'd rather some app give me all of the hidden system tray icons in a separate window, an app that duplicates them all there. (Then I'd set them all to hidden yet accessible with the hidden drop-out button on the windows taskbar).



The displayfusion taskbar can have the windows key on it or not, the clock, taskbar, notification etc. So you can set it up a-la-carte. Like I said you can also move it to any edge of any screen. I just hide my windows native taskbar using Taskbarhider app (available in the windows store or on github). I set taskbarhider to a custom hotkey (SHIFT+CTRL+Z in my case). That will lock away the windows taskbar instead of using messy mouseover. I'll have to research if I can do similar hotkey for the displayfusion bar's show/hide.

https://www.displayfusion.com/Help/?Version=10.1.2.0#contextmenu-taskbar

You can do a lot with displayfusion but even some of the simplest quality of life stuff (like enabling displayfusion taskbar) is great without digging too far into it. It' can be fun to mess with too though if you have time play with it.

The free winaerotweaker app can do a lot of custom stuff for the windows interface also, automates a lot of registry tweaking stuff (and provides a registry backup).
https://winaero.com/winaero-tweaker/#features

 

[improwise]

One thing that should be noted, that perhaps isn't to surprising, is energy consumption. I am a max brightness kind of guy and let me tell you, sitting in front of a 65" 8K you can feel the burn both in your face and in you wallet I assume. This is to be expected of course, but still, the heat output is real. That said, the now boxed up Neo G9 was at least noticeable hotter to the touch despite being much thicker and also has the well documented issue of popping sounds. For both these monitors, and almost every monitor I guess, is that you just can't make a monitor/TV large, bright and 8K without being power hungry, at least not with current tech. Not sure if MicroLED perhaps can do it. Of course, something like a triple 4K setup probably would consume quite a lot of power as well, so not sure about what the actual difference is here...

 

[elvn]

One thing that should be noted, that perhaps isn't to surprising, is energy consumption. I am a max brightness kind of guy and let me tell you, sitting in front of a 65" 8K you can feel the burn both in your face and in you wallet I assume. This is to be expected of course, but still, the heat output is real. That said, the now boxed up Neo G9 was at least noticeable hotter to the touch despite being much thicker and also has the well documented issue of popping sounds. For both these monitors, and almost every monitor I guess, is that you just can't make a monitor/TV large, bright and 8K without being power hungry, at least not with current tech. Not sure if MicroLED perhaps can do it. Of course, something like a triple 4K setup probably would consume quite a lot of power as well, so not sure about what the actual difference is here...

I used to use metal-hallide lights on a saltwater aquarium. Their ballasts on the floor or a stand were like big ghostbusters traps. 250w each plus heater sticks, etc and a pond pump. Those were really big electric bill years. I got out of that hobby eventually though.

Modern GPUs and surround receivers + 5.1 or 7.1 surround speakers incl a hearty amp can use a lot of power too though. I get a lot of enjoyment out of such things.

Also worth noting, like you said, that a single 8k screen might be reducing a 3 screen multi-monitor array to 1 screen (or 2 depending). Also that you aren't always watching HDR material necessarily just like you aren't necessarily gaming amping up your gpu contstantly either. I also tend to use dark modes even when not on OLEDs whenever possible. As far as face burn goes, I'd mount a 65" screen around 45" to 48" away from me depending on what I was doing, so it filled my central viewing angle without pushing into the sides. At least for media and gaming full screen. Maybe I'd roll closer at times while using one in a multi-monitor-like defined layout like I replied with earlier but prob not nearer than 35" to 40" away, 80deg to 75 deg viewing angle - where up to 15 to 20 deg on each side of the monitor would be outside of my central viewing angle space I assigned. That would still be comfortable slight head/chair turn to the sides in multi-monitor style usage.

The reddit user that posted that over-under G95NC picture I re-posted earlier a few times in this thread did mention the popping etc. and eventually one of his screens started to malfunction. I did notice that he also had the backs of the screens to the heat of a sunny window though too.

MicroLED with hdr4000 and later hdr10,000 are also going to run hot. These screens need to start using thicker, vented housings, full backplane heatink and fans on active cooling profiles imo. But it is what is it for now.

In the far future, svelte XR/MR glasses, once they get much higher resolution and iron out some wrinkles, might be better as perceived brightness is better nearer your eyes, and they could reproject a very small screen if necessary instead of putting the emitters in front of your eyes..

 

[Nobu]

Capacitors popping? Yikes!

 

[elvn]

Capacitors popping? Yikes!

Perhaps ultimately. The actual housings are under stress though and heat and cooling can cause them to expand and contract which can make housings groan and pop. Since one of his super-ultrawide G95NC screens eventually started to malfuction, the internals were likely overheating though, whether capacitors, solder, wiring, or other screen components idk.

I used to keep a big 70" TCL low density FALD LCD screen with it's black back to a picture window years ago and it got a burn in dark spot after a few years. The housing used to creak and pop occasionally throughout the day to night, sun and cloud, ac cycles, etc. I re-arranged my living room for my 77" C1 oled tv. I wasn't going to make that mistake again, let alone with organic emitters vs lifespan/burn down to burn in.

 

[improwise]

It goes over into a Q&A after a few minutes that feel a bit more interesting (at least to me) than watching slow mo tennis balls


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wEsfAGyNME

 

[elvn]

It goes over into a Q&A after a few minutes that feel a bit more interesting (at least to me) than watching slow mo tennis balls


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wEsfAGyNME

He missed hockey. That is a good test with the high contrast and small fast puck, and the white ice can make oleds go dim so would show a big tradeoff.

He also at one point compared the s95c in contrast and color boost mode "since it looks pleasing in brighter room conditions" - which is sort of like using Dynamic tone mapping, it'll push the color volume scale upward and lose detail at the top, clipping. Not really a fair comparison in some of the shots where the other tvs were in regular movie mode using reference HDR curves. It's a youtube video though anyway so meh. Have to listed to what he says more than what you can see on the screen (between his camera, youtube compression, and your own display's capabilities).

 

[improwise]

He missed hockey. That is a good test with the high contrast and small fast puck, and the white ice can make oleds go dim so would show a big tradeoff.

He also at one point compared the s95c in contrast and color boost mode "since it looks pleasing in brighter room conditions" - which is sort of like using Dynamic tone mapping, it'll push the color volume scale upward and lose detail at the top, clipping. Not really a fair comparison in some of the shots where the other tvs were in regular movie mode using reference HDR curves. It's a youtube video though anyway so meh. Have to listed to what he says more than what you can see on the screen (between his camera, youtube compression, and your own display's capabilities).

Watching the World Cup now and watched some NHL before that on my G3 and even as a brightness junkie, I don't really feel I lack brightness and there is no obvious dimming either. Even noticed that brightness was only at 90%. But of course, everything is relative.

 

[elvn]

I'm guessing most sports isn't in HDR, though some uk stuff might be in relative HLG HDR perhaps. Maybe the olympics will be HDR. HDR is where the ABL really kicks in usually, but the white ice in hockey can be pretty bright even in brighter SDR settings. I think ABL doesn't turn off until you go below around 180nit to 240nit peaks typically, depending on the tv.

The 144Hz 4k 55" G4 OLED with it's MLA and brightness levels (though still suffering aggressive ABL in brighter HDR mids and highs scenes) seems nice but 8k has so much desktop/app real estate and higher PPD for a larger screen at a nearer distance than otherwise. If the 900D could combine that with a quality 4k 240hz mode, (and with proper text-sub-sampling, not having to use "best use" oled burn in avoidance practices, etc) - it could be appealing to me in the long run. As I said a few times in the thread, a 8k 1000R ark type release with some of the 900D tech would be great, but that's just daydreaming. The G95NC is too short vs the curvature and in general for my taste, and the AG coating and a few other tradeoffs aren't very appealing to me either.

 

[kasakka]

Perhaps ultimately. The actual housings are under stress though and heat and cooling can cause them to expand and contract which can make housings groan and pop. Since one of his super-ultrawide G95NC screens eventually started to malfuction, the internals were likely overheating though, whether capacitors, solder, wiring, or other screen components idk.

Even the Samsung CRG9 would do that and it doesn't have things like FALD backlights. I think it's the LCD being forced into a curved format and requiring a lot of rigidity that makes its plastic behave like that.

 

[elvn]

Even the Samsung CRG9 would do that and it doesn't have things like FALD backlights. I think it's the LCD being forced into a curved format and requiring a lot of rigidity that makes its plastic behave like that.

Right but heat/cooling expands and contracts things too. My old 70" vizio popped from sunlight on the black back of the housing heating it up and down to cooling regularly. The compressed curved housing in those screens probably isn't helping though like you said. The guy I was talking about had a g95nc right on top of another one, plus the backs of the screens were to a big window of sunlight. Double screen heat rising upward + the sun on the backs of the screens. I wonder if it was his top screen that malfunctioned considering heat rises.

 

[elvn]

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[BrainEater]

I'm curious about wireless 8k/ range extenders and 8k.

I run a 4k over cat6 link between comp and TV (range extender), it's flawless. I've always wanted to eliminate the wire.

Thoughts ?

 

[NitsBaby]

Just thought I'd drop in here, possibly getting the QN900D 65" Delivered today (if so less than 12 hours) and I'll be using it 99% of the time as a 8K desktop mode PC and a 240hz Gaming PC.

I'll probably share some initial thoughts once I've used it for a few hours, I'm running a 7900xtx in my set up so not sure what games can crack 4K 240hz really, or 8K 60hz for that matter.

If like me you were hoping to get more information by now about gaming on this TV hopefully I come to the rescue, as I'm surprised there's only been one video about it (and he had to film it from a AV store or something)

I'll just be in my bedroom

 

[NitsBaby]

Ok so I got the TV about 4 hours ago, it took me way too long to get the stand set up properly as I didn't realise I had to remove a cover and then the way you slot it on was not as simple as shown in the video (maybe my fittings were more stubborn.

Anyway I finally got it all set up about 45 minutes ago.

I wasn't getting the 240hz option at first in 4K , until I dropped down to 8 bit, then it become available, selected it, and now I can use it in 8, 10, and 12 bit colour settings without a problem

and VRR / Freesync Premium is working now.

Slight damage on the stand (not sure how much of a refund I can get for that, or if they just send a replacement for it (rather not deal with setting it up again) ideally not a one man job, and makes me appreciate the 55" is probably the maximum size for a one man job TV that bit more now. At least if you're just shy of 6ft like me.

If anyone has any gaming settings they've seen and could share that'd be great.

I'll look on AVS etc to see if I find anything but I doubt it. In which case I may just copy my S90C settings and work from there.

8K is noticeably sharper but is limited to 60hz for now, hopefully it's actually a 120hz display but probably no way to know for sure, maybe worth looking in CRU perhaps to know for sure.

 

[elvn]

Just thought I'd drop in here, possibly getting the QN900D 65" Delivered today (if so less than 12 hours) and I'll be using it 99% of the time as a 8K desktop mode PC and a 240hz Gaming PC.

I'll probably share some initial thoughts once I've used it for a few hours, I'm running a 7900xtx in my set up so not sure what games can crack 4K 240hz really, or 8K 60hz for that matter.

If like me you were hoping to get more information by now about gaming on this TV hopefully I come to the rescue, as I'm surprised there's only been one video about it (and he had to film it from a AV store or something)

I'll just be in my bedroom

Awesome

 

[elvn]

Great to here someone actually putting a pc on one of those. If i end up with one, I'm going to be very late to the game on that price tag wise though lol. Still it would be great to know if I should even keep it in my sights in regard to 4k gaming vs other options, plus some of the other unanswered questions about the 900D's capabilities for pc.

 

[NitsBaby]

 

[elvn]

Incidentally, in regard to window management stuff on large arrays and 8k screens, etc we were discussing earlier. I found out that the "Maximize Video" addon actually does have a youtube slider option, it's just not on by default for some reason.

You can also make it pop up the current tab to a standalone window if you wanted to, with that other checkbox, but I like using each addon separately for more micro management. One as in-window, one as pop-out player.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/maximize-video/

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/maximize-video/bfpkgjlnboeecjmnbhbknmemmckmpomb

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Some other info about how my search went with some of that stuff. This was where I was at initially but I found a solution. Slightly off-topic so I'll keep it in quotes:

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Unfortunately I can't find any way to remove the top tab bar for the chrome browser in windows 11.

It's really aggravating that you are still forced to keep a tab bar on top even though you can use any number of different side tab-bar extensions.

I know this has been a requested feature by some people for years now but as far as I can tell it's still a dead end. If anyone knows a way to do for chrome it I'd appreciate the heads up.

I don't want to set the browser to full-screen, so please don't reply with that. I want to manage a set browser window space (screen coordinates and size wise) , but without that top tab bar showing and taking space.

I looked at vivaldi browser but it's a little slower and more bloated, though feature packed (and it has vertical tab management capability by default). I maybe go with that in the end though even with the tradeoffs. Depends, I'll have to test it out more.

I'm pretty sure opera can't remove the top tab bar either so that is probably not an option.

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I like having firefox open on one screen, and chrome on the other. It works well that way with displayfusion and a stream deck so that windows and app management functions and calls don't get confused by multiple instances of an app.

As it is now, I've found the same or very similar extensions for both browsers, so they both work essentially the same for me quality of life wise other than that last thing with the tab bar still visible on chrome. I have no need for the tab bar because I use container tabs sidebar in firefox, and tab shelf for chrome (another sidebar, there are some others available for chrome too). Using sidebar tab extension, besides the location being great and more functional, you can also toggle any sidebar to show/hide them on the fly when you want more room. So you can leave a side bar persistent for awhile, or hide and peek it depending on what you are doing at any given time.

. . . . . .

I used this for firefox:

https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery/wiki/Firefox-Styles-Snippets-(via-userChrome.css)

Essentially, once you've enabled userChrome.css in your firefox browser (easy to look up how to do this) , and then made a userChrome.css file in your user folder if you've never added one there before, then you just edit the userChrome.css file as if it was a text file, putting this in it and then saving it.

(Don't put the dotted lines in)

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#TabsToolbar {

display: none;

}

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The solution I found was to replace chrome with the Arc web browser.

https://arc.net/


Both maximize video and floating window work with the arc browser, along with my more important extensions I've tried so far. I've since ditched chrome and now am using firefox on one screen and arc browser on the other. It seems great. It's built in layouts and functionality are right up my alley.

I just installed the Arc browser and added all of my favorite extensions to it, at least ones it didn't already have functionality for built in. Most of the chrome extensions work in it, other than some that duplicate it's own functionality and maybe some other misc but all of my go-tos work with it . Might be worth checking out. No top tab bar by default.

Some of the core addons I use:

umatrix

ublock origin

Tab Session Manager (saves tabs as sessions, auto saves , user save manually as a separate category, can set it to do the saves on a 2ndary hard drive).

Bit defender anti-tracker

Dark Reader

ShareX

Sponsorblock (youtube)

Close Unpinned Tabs (I use a hotkey for this to clean up anything that isn't pinned)

. . .

There are some other quality of life ones I use on firefox but the arc browser pretty much covers those in it's default functionality so I haven't tested any more than that just yet. Trying to get the hang of using the browser first.

If you do ever try the arc browser, just make sure to whitelist youtube (or any other video sites you like) in it's site settings for pop ups so that the floating window addon will pop the viewer out.

Arc drop-down menu icon in the top left corner of the browser ---> Settings ---> user account (i use default) -----> Privacy and Security ------>

 

[elvn]

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It should at least be getting 4k 144Hz like the 900C does, but that might be disallowed by default so that it can do whatever it can to 4k for "240Hz". I doubt it would have the lanes for 8k 120hz on it's hdmi port and how they alloted lanes between ports , just like a nvidia 3000 - 4000 gpu does not allot that bandwidth to a single port. The overall capability probably also involves how they implement DSC.

 

[NitsBaby]

It should at least be getting 4k 144Hz like the 900C does, but that might be disallowed by default so that it can do whatever it can to 4k for "240Hz". I doubt it would have the lanes for 8k 120hz on it's hdmi port and how they alloted lanes between ports , just like a nvidia 3000 - 4000 gpu does not allot that bandwidth to a single port. The overall capability probably also involves how they implement DSC.

Overall though, I'm not that impressed with the TV if I'm being honest, if you really need a TV for 240hz gaming then fair enough get it, but otherwise gen3 QD OLED or WOLED monitor is a much better value proposition.

As are the Samsung OLED TV's

I pretty much got what I expected I guess, higher frame rates but at the cost of losing OLED for now.

That's just because OLED looks better in general and faster motion response, not that it's bad here not noticed any ghosting or anything out of the norm.

I still think my S90C > QN900D.

I'll do more testing over the next couple of days before deciding if I'll return it or keep it.

The one connect box also gets very warm which is a little concerning for long term usage like mine would be.

 

[NitsBaby]

It should at least be getting 4k 144Hz like the 900C does, but that might be disallowed by default so that it can do whatever it can to 4k for "240Hz". I doubt it would have the lanes for 8k 120hz on it's hdmi port and how they alloted lanes between ports , just like a nvidia 3000 - 4000 gpu does not allot that bandwidth to a single port. The overall capability probably also involves how they implement DSC.

I had no 144hz option so exactly like you said 120 hz or 240hz.

 

[elvn]

A question I have is, can you run 4k 240hz VRR on that upscaled to 8k by the tv

. . using a game that would easily hit ~ 240fps ish ranges, and how does that feel playing it?
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. . any obvious infringement on gameplay input lag wise, just your take on it not hardware tested or anything necessarily.

. . motion clarity: any perceived reduction in blur , comparable to a 240fpsHz game on a 240Hz monitor if you've ever played like that one one (I know 240hz might be recent for a lot of people if at all).

. . motion definition: can you tell if it's more like a console low latency mode where the same frame is just shown twice, or that it's actually adding motion detail with in between frames that are "different" and unique?


At least that would give some idea if something was overtly way off and weird when doing that. No pressure, and I realize some of that stuff isn't always easy to figure out, see, or test for without access to other hardware, plus time to digest it all playing for hours and hours in some cases. I'm just curious what you'd think at a glance (and if any obvious wrench gets thrown into the works of course).

 

[NitsBaby]

I don't think it does any upscaling on game mode or connected to the PC.

even was stated on a few sites I could buy the TV From.

*Upscaling may not apply to PC connection and Game Mode.

So I have to assume it doesn't, but I could be wrong.

the 240hz felt fine as does the motion clarity on UFO test, motion clarity a bit better on an equivalent Gen 3 QD OLED though for me. (I have a 360hz) but that's another level of motion clarity (not tried 120hz)

I also think OLED is simply the better choice for gaming especially if you want the 240hz I feel you'd be better served with a monitor (unless you don't play multiplayer games much) then yeah games like Spiderman have looked good in my early testing.

It feels like true 240hz for me, but I have no way of confirming that fact? or do I.

 

[elvn]

I don't think it does any upscaling on game mode or connected to the PC.

even was stated on a few sites I could buy the TV From.

*Upscaling may not apply to PC connection and Game Mode.

So I have to assume it doesn't, but I could be wrong.

the 240hz felt fine as does the motion clarity on UFO test, motion clarity a bit better on an equivalent Gen 3 QD OLED though for me. (I have a 360hz) but that's another level of motion clarity (not tried 120hz)

I also think OLED is simply the better choice for gaming especially if you want the 240hz I feel you'd be better served with a monitor (unless you don't play multiplayer games much) then yeah games like Spiderman have looked good in my early testing.

It feels like true 240hz for me, but I have no way of confirming that fact? or do I.

Well, a few of us in here (I won't speak for the user "improvise" too much though) , were interested in the 900D in the longer run as a massive singular 8k worth of desktop/app real-estate for pc use, mounted separately from a desk - yet without losing out on the gaming side very much generally (vs modern 240hz 4k gaming screens) if it was able to pull off a well-performing 4k 240Hz mode rather than being limited to a 120hz (or 144hz) 4k upscale to 8k screen. A big, high PPD multi-monitor replacement with some kind of 240hz gaming capability + with high end HDR.

Personally I like a larger layout now, so a 32" screen seems small for me. Even if I sit with nearly the same amount of my personal FoV filled by the screens in each size/distance scenario .. the desktop ones are more cramped, basically sitting closer to a wall more or less. That and the fact that a larger 8k screen would allow you to sit a little nearer than you would for media and games at times , if/when you wanted to use it more like tiles of a multi-monitor setup with the center part of the screen in your central FoV + some columns of space in the periphery you could turn to look at. Plus for occasional HDR media (tv, movies) use, and down the line repurposed in a different room even perhaps, larger screens are better.

I've used multiple screens for years to get the tradeoffs of different technologies at my pc, and for the added desktop/app real-estate of having a multi-monitor array. I even moved up to multiple gaming tvs in a more spaced out "command center" style setup with the screens decoupled from the desk the last several years. I could keep on doing similar but I am intrigued by the idea of a singular large 8k of desktop/app real estate. Having a big screen like that could be more tricky to involve extra monitors with, and potentially less-appealing layout and orientation wise slapping a gaming monitor next to it, compared to some popular multi-monitor array layouts.

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Idk how to test virtual 240hz vs real 240hz other than pursuit camera stuff I guess, and maybe some outfit has a very expensive super high frame rate camera or something to see actual screen refreshes and frames. I don't blame you if you don't want to get lost in the weeds trying to decipher exactly whats going on. Hopefully RTings will come out with a detailed review in the long run and pick the 900D apart. Appreciate any thoughts and experiences you want to relate here though, even what you already have. Thanks.

 

[kasakka]

NitsBaby you might also want to try AW EDID Editor because I find it a bit easier to read than Custom Resolution Utility. It might give you more readable results.

You can dump the EDID from CRU and then open it in AW EDID Editor.

Note that you may also get a different EDID on Samsung displays if you run the display at 4K 240 hz vs 8K 60 Hz. So check that out as well. Some Samsung displays can be weird like that, it can correspond to a max refresh rate setting in the OSD.

You could also just dump and post the EDID bin files here so we can also take a look.

 

[improwise]

I don't think it does any upscaling on game mode or connected to the PC.

even was stated on a few sites I could buy the TV From.

*Upscaling may not apply to PC connection and Game Mode.

So I have to assume it doesn't, but I could be wrong.

the 240hz felt fine as does the motion clarity on UFO test, motion clarity a bit better on an equivalent Gen 3 QD OLED though for me. (I have a 360hz) but that's another level of motion clarity (not tried 120hz)

I also think OLED is simply the better choice for gaming especially if you want the 240hz I feel you'd be better served with a monitor (unless you don't play multiplayer games much) then yeah games like Spiderman have looked good in my early testing.

It feels like true 240hz for me, but I have no way of confirming that fact? or do I.

What settings do you use, I imagine that you have at least enabled game bar to get 240 hz to work? Have you tried out using screen ratio to make the image a bit lower in height? Personally I found that 65" full screen is way to big for any kind of normal PC gaming, ie with you sitting less than one meter away.

From the QN900C I also get the feeling that most if not all that fancy AI stuff is disabled in game mode, it is basically an upscaler then.

From a strict PQ perspective, at least if you disregard brightness, OLED is simply superior to anything LCD based. That said, the QN900C stod up surprisingly well even to the 32" QDOLEDs, much because of that extra brightness.

 

[improwise]

I had no 144hz option so exactly like you said 120 hz or 240hz.

This is the same as the Neo G9 57" with 240 hz mode activated, only 120 hz and 240 hz.

 

[kasakka]

This is the same as the Neo G9 57" with 240 hz mode activated, only 120 hz and 240 hz.

Samsung EDIDs can be weird. My Samsung G70A 4K 144 Hz IPS gives a different EDID whether you set the display to 60, 120 or 144 Hz as the max refresh rate in the OSD (same OSD UI as the G95NC). The 144 Hz EDID is the most barebones of them all while the 60 and 120 Hz are more normal.

I tried making a custom EDID that merges those together but it didn't seem to change anything in the way the display functions. I have no idea how it handles all that.

In any case, it would be an interesting experiment to add e.g 144 Hz into the EDID on the G95NC or with the QN900D and see if it works.

 

[NitsBaby]

NitsBaby you might also want to try AW EDID Editor because I find it a bit easier to read than Custom Resolution Utility. It might give you more readable results.

You can dump the EDID from CRU and then open it in AW EDID Editor.

Note that you may also get a different EDID on Samsung displays if you run the display at 4K 240 hz vs 8K 60 Hz. So check that out as well. Some Samsung displays can be weird like that, it can correspond to a max refresh rate setting in the OSD.

You could also just dump and post the EDID bin files here so we can also take a look

https://file.io/c3taoStwp3qR