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Lol!! It's a luxury. You already have laws for essential items during disasters etc. This is not an essential supply to live.Wow. The fact that that is in any way legal blows my mind beyond comprehension. There needs to be some sort of limit to capitalism before it devours itself.
When car manufacturers are stopping production because they don't have access to chips (because production capacity of all chips is what is generating this shortage) and the situation starts threatening the economy, you'll see how fast the government intervenes. In fact, it's already been said that they're looking into how to grow production capacity in the US, which is at an all time low. If we could produce more, you wouldn't have these outrageous situations to begin with.Lol!! It's a luxury. You already have laws for essential items during disasters etc. This is not an essential supply to live.
Gets it.In 1st century BC, Publilius Syrus wrote: "Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it". If someone is willing to pay that, then that is what it is worth to them. It certainly isn't worth that to me, but, that's just my because of what I value it at.
Wow. The fact that that is in any way legal blows my mind beyond comprehension. There needs to be some sort of limit to capitalism before it devours itself.
When car manufacturers are stopping production because they don't have access to chips (because production capacity of all chips is what is generating this shortage) and the situation starts threatening the economy, you'll see how fast the government intervenes. In fact, it's already been said that they're looking into how to grow production capacity in the US, which is at an all time low. If we could produce more, you wouldn't have these outrageous situations to begin with.
Well it's already happening...Not sure if I would put any faith in bureocrats resolving this issue.
GPUs have nothing to do with the car shortage, the control units and processors in cars are built on older legacy nodes (outside of the new Tesla that includes an RDNA2 GPU). GM, Ford, Honda, etc are not building cars with TSMC 7nm chips. And you can't just retool the 7nm lines to build the older chips, it's completely different equipment.When car manufacturers are stopping production because they don't have access to chips (because production capacity of all chips is what is generating this shortage) and the situation starts threatening the economy, you'll see how fast the government intervenes. In fact, it's already been said that they're looking into how to grow production capacity in the US, which is at an all time low. If we could produce more, you wouldn't have these outrageous situations to begin with.
There is a shortage of raw materials limiting supply regardless of node/tooling setups so yeah, every GPU built is less ECUs that can be produced.GPUs have nothing to do with the car shortage, the control units and processors in cars are built on older legacy nodes (outside of the new Tesla that includes an RDNA2 GPU). GM, Ford, Honda, etc are not building cars with TSMC 7nm chips. And you can't just retool the 7nm lines to build the older chips, it's completely different equipment.
The raw materials shortage isn't caused by mining, though. Of the 7nm TSMC stuff, most of it is going towards consoles and CPUs. GPU supply was already extremely tight before mining took off again.There is a shortage of raw materials limiting supply regardless of node/tooling setups so yeah, every GPU built is less ECUs that can be produced.
It's not baby formula. It's a luxury item. There are thousands of examples of stupid pricing on luxury items. Been to a high end fashion or jewelry store lately? The "limit" is people just won't buy it. There are already thousands of regulations on "free" market activities. Many of them create the very types of problems that people scream for regulation of.Wow. The fact that that is in any way legal blows my mind beyond comprehension. There needs to be some sort of limit to capitalism before it devours itself.
The shortage is in chips. GPUs are chips. Let's not pretend only 7nm is experiencing shortage. The whole industry is, because of capacity, supply chains, raw materials, and a workforce slammed by covid.GPUs have nothing to do with the car shortage, the control units and processors in cars are built on older legacy nodes (outside of the new Tesla that includes an RDNA2 GPU). GM, Ford, Honda, etc are not building cars with TSMC 7nm chips. And you can't just retool the 7nm lines to build the older chips, it's completely different equipment.
GPUs are luxury items. Chips are not. The price hikes are most evident on GPUs right now. How long of this situation will take for other products to start rising similarly?It's not baby formula. It's a luxury item. There are thousands of examples of stupid pricing on luxury items. Been to a high end fashion or jewelry store lately? The "limit" is people just won't buy it. There are already thousands of regulations on "free" market activities. Many of them create the very types of problems that people scream for regulation of.
That is almost verbatim what I said in my second post.The shortage is in chips. GPUs are chips. Let's not pretend only 7nm is experiencing shortage. The whole industry is, because of capacity, supply chains, raw materials, and a workforce slammed by covid.
The shortage is in chips. GPUs are chips. Let's not pretend only 7nm is experiencing shortage. The whole industry is, because of capacity, supply chains, raw materials, and a workforce slammed by covid.
Sounds like it is time for the US to get its head out of its ass and start opening the economy, let people get back to work and fix these issues that do not have to exist.
Isn't the price hikes the best force to help the shortage situation (and a price control one of the worst ? or at least it is really not obvious how it would help at all).The shortage is in chips. GPUs are chips. Let's not pretend only 7nm is experiencing shortage. The whole industry is, because of capacity, supply chains, raw materials, and a workforce slammed by covid.
GPUs are luxury items. Chips are not. The price hikes are most evident on GPUs right now. How long of this situation will take for other products to start rising similarly?
I'm tired of some of y'all going to basically communism when I suggest some form of price control. You should be able to make plenty of profit on a product. You shouldn't be able to make exorbitant profit on your product. The more spasmodic your market behaves, the more social inequality you generate, the faster your society will go to shit.
The faster people get vaccinated, the sooner employees won't be forced to choose between working and risking death. Then production should ramp back up. Then we can get our GPUs.
Or just open it up and not let a virus stop us from living our lives. Lets get going and get America back to work so we can get cheaper Chips!!! I need a new GPU!The faster people get vaccinated, the sooner employees won't be forced to choose between working and risking death. Then production should ramp back up. Then we can get our GPUs.
While I agree we need to get shit open again America is not the reason chip manufacturing is suffering. All this shit is made in china.Or just open it up and not let a virus stop us from living our lives. Lets get going and get America back to work so we can get cheaper Chips!!! I need a new GPU!
Most chips are manufactured in Taiwan or South Korea, not China. Assembly of the cards and the PCB happens in China.While I agree we need to get shit open again America is not the reason chip manufacturing is suffering. All this shit is made in china.
You are correct. My bad.Most chips are manufactured in Taiwan or South Korea, not China. Assembly of the cards and the PCB happens in China.
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...lem-is-brewing-with-nvidia-rtx-3080-3090-gpusAnd the raw materials come from where again?
The shortage is in chips. GPUs are chips. Let's not pretend only 7nm is experiencing shortage. The whole industry is, because of capacity, supply chains, raw materials, and a workforce slammed by covid.
GPUs are luxury items. Chips are not. The price hikes are most evident on GPUs right now. How long of this situation will take for other products to start rising similarly?
I'm tired of some of y'all going to basically communism when I suggest some form of price control. You should be able to make plenty of profit on a product. You shouldn't be able to make exorbitant profit on your product. The more spasmodic your market behaves, the more social inequality you generate, the faster your society will go to shit.
In some market they seem to be (specially for newer item that do not require a price change over time):GPU retail prices aren't really being hiked other than the tariff exemptions expiring. This would be "price hiking" which isn't the current situation. A lack of supply GPUs are being resold for much higher than MSRP after retail. This is scalping. If GPUs were an essential item then this would be price gouging. Since they aren't, it isn't.
Sure, you go first and risk death. I'll wait until my 2nd dose of COVID vaccine to guarantee that I won't die. I'm already exposed to a bunch of mouths breathing in front of me all day long, several times a week, in an enclosed environment; I'm not about to voluntarily eat at a restaurant indoors playing Russian roulette with my health. Not even next month after my 2nd dose, because I can get sick, not be in danger, yet spread COVID unknowingly to everyone inside that restaurant. Facts to remember, as of today:Or just open it up and not let a virus stop us from living our lives. Lets get going and get America back to work so we can get cheaper Chips!!! I need a new GPU!
1) I'm really tired of an online forum's users stating "You don't seem to understand...". Perhaps this is a way of making themselves feel more powerful? I actually have a PhD in social sciences, and I never throw the "let me educate you" line around. Jeez, I'd have 0 students if that were my approach in life.Are we discussing price gouging, scalping or "price hikes?" You don't seem to understand the difference between the 3.
GPU retail prices aren't really being hiked other than the tariff exemptions expiring. This would be "price hiking" which isn't the current situation. A lack of supply GPUs are being resold for much higher than MSRP after retail. This is scalping. If GPUs were an essential item then this would be price gouging. Since they aren't, it isn't.
What you are or aren't "tired of" really isn't relevant to the facts of the topic at hand. Also social inequality? Seriously? Again this isn't baby formula. That video card would just as easily be listed at 35 million instead and it was have an equal effect on "social inequality" with that effect being absolutely zero. A "luxury" item by it's very definition is going to be something that not everyone has access to.
Worldwide deaths due to COVID: 2,423,443
Worldwide deaths due to getting vaccinated: 0
That... Explains a lot actually.I actually have a PhD in social sciences
I actually work on my PC and need the GPU. If my 1080TI dies today I'm gonna have to shell out a ton of cash to get a replacement asap. Most of that money will probably end up in a foreign company's bank account. Meanwhile I'm competing with people who are buying them as a luxury good but also with crypto miners, car manufacturers (apparently?), etc.It's not baby formula. It's a luxury item. There are thousands of examples of stupid pricing on luxury items. Been to a high end fashion or jewelry store lately? The "limit" is people just won't buy it. There are already thousands of regulations on "free" market activities. Many of them create the very types of problems that people scream for regulation of.
No, it's exactly what it says it is. I am plainly pointing out the fact that you don't seem to understand the difference between the 3 and nothing in your response changes that.1) I'm really tired of an online forum's users stating "You don't seem to understand...". Perhaps this is a way of making themselves feel more powerful? I actually have a PhD in social sciences, and I never throw the "let me educate you" line around. Jeez, I'd have 0 students if that were my approach in life.
2) Sure, let's pretend I only talked about 7nm nodes, or just about GPUs, and not about chip shortages that are starting to have ramifications in other industries that also use chips of any kind (car industry has already started to suffer, others to follow). This is not just about GPUs, we just happen to talk more about GPUs here because it's a hardware enthusiast forum. I'll restate my previous point: "GPUs are luxury items. Chips are not." Cars are no luxury item. Just you wait until other industries start rising prices due to lack of chips to manufacture, well, anything. The problem is much bigger than GPUs and thus, has implications for social inequality (SI) re: what's available to you, which is not equal to what's available to others (and SI is much more complicated than what people tend to think of: there are historical, societal, legal, cultural, economical, generational, gender and power factors at play).
If you're talking about the Florida doctor's case, there's 0 proof it was due to vaccination. Source. I don't think there's a definitive conclusion to this case as of yet.That is a fucking lie.
Probably explains our different points of view. I'd hope we can have different points of view? Neither position is inherently better than the other, simply different. A society with a lack of perspectives is doomed to fail.That... Explains a lot actually.
Actually, my first post was about capitalism, which has given us the current speculative market - you yourself re-quoted me... the word GPU is nowhere present. The 2nd and 3rd time you quoted me, I was talking about more markets than just GPUs. But considering you then characterize my post as adjectives and useless drivel to distract... well, that's as far as our conversation can go, pal. No respect = you get ignored. Peace.Your post that I quoted was very much just about a GPU. That was the OP and you were the very first reply.
Again we agree. Take care. Pal.well, that's as far as our conversation can go, pal. No respect = you get ignored. Peace.