The Apple Vision Pro goes on sale in the US on February 2 for $3,499

DukenukemX said:
That's making the assumption that a lot of people are going to buy a device like the Vision Pro. It's also making the assumption that people won't destroy the device when they see you wearing it, because it records them. This is what happened with Google's Glasses in that people got attacked for wearing something that also video records. The battery life is terrible unless you carry around extra battery packs with you, which means it's impractical away from a power outlet. It's also 23 lbs on your face, which is not something I see people wearing for very long without fatigue. Google tried this 10 years ago and it failed for the same reason why the Vision Pro will fail. I can also see people running up to someone wearing these in public, and then quickly taking them off their head and running away with $3500. You don't exactly have spatial awareness while wearing one of these. Side note, JerryRigEverything took one of these apart for science.


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I wonder how they hold up being dropped several times, rain soaked, freezes in subzero weather, hit by a ball, frisbee, fist etc. I want my terminator vision goggles!
 
Shoganai said:
It's 600-650 grams, which is 1.3 - 1.4 pounds.

The Meta Quest 3 is 1.1 pounds.

The weight isn't people's issue with the device, it's that most of the weight is in the front, so most of the pressure is on the face. The only thing that helps alleviate this is to use the strap that goes at the back and at the top of the head.
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Yea you're right, it's not 23lbs. VR headsets are equally as heavy, but these devices were meant to be used at home. It's not like this problem hasn't existed since the Virtual Boy, which is why Nintendo gave it a stand. Virtual Boy is 1.67 lbs. Google Glass weighs a fraction of that, and you don't look like a dumbass wearing it. Google Glass 2 even lasts for 10 hours supposedly, which I didn't know Google made a #2.

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I picked mine up and while I will most likely be returning it, there is no doubt this is the future and it's an astonishing piece of tech.

The main reason I will be returning it is due to the limitations of the pancake lenses with reflections. In dark environments where there is bright objects on the screen, the light bounces off your face and reflects in the lenses giving a kind of glare over the whole lens. As a videophile who is easily annoyed by things like blooming in mini-LED sets, this is a big problem for me. However other than that, the video quality is astonishing - easily superior to any projector I have ever seen (and I have owned some high-end JVCs) and also superior to most OLED TVs by virtue of maintaining that quality over a much larger area. It really is like being able to have a 20ft OLED in your room with no panel uniformity issues. Also, I normally can't stand 3d movies, but on this for some reason the 3d feels natural and well done. If it wasn't for the glare this would be a 10/10 entertainment device.

The other thing that bothers me is that I can't use a mouse normally in this environment. Eye selection and tapping works ok, but if I could use a mouse this would be a fantastic productivity machine. But I can't, so it's not. My ideal workflow would be able to sit at my computer and have a main high-res virtual monitor with multiple floating app windows placed to the side, above, etc. You can sort of do this, but the app windows are too large and to the productivity of an ultrawide monitor right now. My 57 Samsung pretty much wipes the floor with this from a productivity standpoint.

Another miss to me is that I can't figure out how to have windows follow me as I walk floating-style. If I am going to wear this thing around the house while doing chores or whatever, I need to have my content following me - not fixed spatially. This is a miss.

Pass-through camera quality is ok but not incredible. It's good enough, but it is not good enough to read my iPhone/apple watch/computer monitor text. This is something I feel the reviewers lied about.

The app situation is bad. Not having lastpass is a major miss. Typing in a hundred secure 12-15 character passwords with the hunt-and-peck keyboard blows.

I feel the virtual environments could be amazing but are overrated and held back by low-quality textures. One huge miss to me was that the skies are sometimes static images; I don't understand with these incredible, amazing OLED screens why you don't take advantage of that and have dynamic stars with HDR level brightness that twinkle against inky blacks. Instead it's just a washed out jpg-like image.

One thing that really surprised me was how enjoyable it was to use it in bed. I threw up an environment with stars, put on some music, and browsed the web on the ceiling - really nice and relaxing.

It seems like I am being negative about the device, but that is not my intent. This is an absolutely remarkable piece of technology and after using it there is no question AR is the future. It's just not even debatable to me, and it will take a company like Apple to pull it off. No other company in the world could make this device and have it function as well as it does, even despite the flaws. But at the same time, the software is not there to take advantage of the hardware even at the current time. It will come though.
 
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This might be a stupid question. If you browse the web in this thing, does the browser have plugin capability that allows you to insert ad blockers?
 

Apple’s Vision Pro buyers upset to discover that VR porn doesn’t work: ‘$3,500 chastity belt’​

https://nypost.com/2024/02/05/tech/apple-vision-pro-blasted-as-3500-chastity-belt-for-blocking-porn/
The general consensus in the Reddit thread is that the Vision Pro will play “flat” videos from explicit websites like PornHub, but there’s no feature that plays pornographic footage as a 180-degree side-by-side video — a more immersive type of video that has different channels for the left and right eye.


This 180-degree SBS style of filming is how most commercial VR videos are made.
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Of course there's a Reddit thread full of people trying to figure out how to get around whatever block might be in place.
 
porn moves industries forward, they better let this happen if they want a good sales thrust.
 
uOpt said:
This might be a stupid question. If you browse the web in this thing, does the browser have plugin capability that allows you to insert ad blockers?
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You gotta know for a fact with their eye tracking technology they will bundle that info about where you are looking for anything and sell that to third parties to more effectively ad you
 
sfsuphysics said:
You gotta know for a fact with their eye tracking technology they will bundle that info about where you are looking for anything and sell that to third parties to more effectively ad you
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The scene in ready player one comes to mind "we can sell 80% of the screen without inducing seizures".
 
uOpt said:
This might be a stupid question. If you browse the web in this thing, does the browser have plugin capability that allows you to insert ad blockers?
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If they don't on iOS, then why would they on Vision Pro? Also the apps are limited as well.
1_rick said:

Apple’s Vision Pro buyers upset to discover that VR porn doesn’t work: ‘$3,500 chastity belt’​

https://nypost.com/2024/02/05/tech/apple-vision-pro-blasted-as-3500-chastity-belt-for-blocking-porn/


Of course there's a Reddit thread full of people trying to figure out how to get around whatever block might be in place.
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Did anyone really expect people to buy these devices for professional reasons? Of course it's for porn.
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paradoxical said:
I picked mine up and while I will most likely be returning it, there is no doubt this is the future and it's an astonishing piece of tech.

The main reason I will be returning it is due to the limitations of the pancake lenses with reflections. In dark environments where there is bright objects on the screen, the light bounces off your face and reflects in the lenses giving a kind of glare over the whole lens. As a videophile who is easily annoyed by things like blooming in mini-LED sets, this is a big problem for me. However other than that, the video quality is astonishing - easily superior to any projector I have ever seen (and I have owned some high-end JVCs) and also superior to most OLED TVs by virtue of maintaining that quality over a much larger area. It really is like being able to have a 20ft OLED in your room with no panel uniformity issues. Also, I normally can't stand 3d movies, but on this for some reason the 3d feels natural and well done. If it wasn't for the glare this would be a 10/10 entertainment device.

The other thing that bothers me is that I can't use a mouse normally in this environment. Eye selection and tapping works ok, but if I could use a mouse this would be a fantastic productivity machine. But I can't, so it's not. My ideal workflow would be able to sit at my computer and have a main high-res virtual monitor with multiple floating app windows placed to the side, above, etc. You can sort of do this, but the app windows are too large and to the productivity of an ultrawide monitor right now. My 57 Samsung pretty much wipes the floor with this from a productivity standpoint.

Another miss to me is that I can't figure out how to have windows follow me as I walk floating-style. If I am going to wear this thing around the house while doing chores or whatever, I need to have my content following me - not fixed spatially. This is a miss.

Pass-through camera quality is ok but not incredible. It's good enough, but it is not good enough to read my iPhone/apple watch/computer monitor text. This is something I feel the reviewers lied about.

The app situation is bad. Not having lastpass is a major miss. Typing in a hundred secure 12-15 character passwords with the hunt-and-peck keyboard blows.

I feel the virtual environments could be amazing but are overrated and held back by low-quality textures. One huge miss to me was that the skies are sometimes static images; I don't understand with these incredible, amazing OLED screens why you don't take advantage of that and have dynamic stars with HDR level brightness that twinkle against inky blacks. Instead it's just a washed out jpg-like image.

One thing that really surprised me was how enjoyable it was to use it in bed. I threw up an environment with stars, put on some music, and browsed the web on the ceiling - really nice and relaxing.

It seems like I am being negative about the device, but that is not my intent. This is an absolutely remarkable piece of technology and after using it there is no question AR is the future. It's just not even debatable to me, and it will take a company like Apple to pull it off. No other company in the world could make this device and have it function as well as it does, even despite the flaws. But at the same time, the software is not there to take advantage of the hardware even at the current time. It will come though.
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wear some eye black?
 
what does this actually do? Let you watch tiktok videos from a headset and not your phone?
 
US Secretary of Transportation states the obvious: Don't use the Apple Vision Pro while driving

After one owner was seen wearing it while driving down the highway in a Tesla Cybertruck, US Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg issued a warning reminding people to use some common sense

In a post on X alongside a snippet from the original video, Buttigieg reiterated that "ALL advanced driver assistance systems available today require the human driver to be in control and fully engaged in the driving task at all times"...similarly, Apple's headset ships with multiple warnings advising users not to use it while "operating a moving vehicle" or in "any other situations requiring attention to safety"...

https://www.engadget.com/us-secreta...apple-vision-pro-while-driving-163908086.html
 
polonyc2 said:
US Secretary of Transportation states the obvious: Don't use the Apple Vision Pro while driving
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I think there should be a mandatory death penalty carried out in 1 week or less if you're caught wearing these while driving because clearly you believe in the death penalty for others when you hit them at 80 mph with your 5000 lb 4 wheeled projectile.

I'm really beginning to hate most tech, not all tech, but this kind of tech is literally dehumanizing, programming dependency, and making us stupidly stupid and more deadly due to negligence and dare I say stupidity yet again.

Enjoy your stupid Apple Mind Control NPC programming brain chain slavery enhancer Vision pro.
 
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Decko87 said:
They're going to have to enable porn on the Vision Pro once that baby is up and running, no choice at that point.
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I mean presumably they'd need to shoot it in 360° first, otherwise it's just like watching porn on a big ass TV which ... well yeah. AI will rescue Vision Pro! Allowing for artificially created porn stars, the ability to flick beans and tweak nips with hand gestures.
 
Decko87 said:
They're going to have to enable porn on the Vision Pro once that baby is up and running, no choice at that point.
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I mean they will but you will have a choice. To sign up for AppleTV 18+, where they will try to take over OnlyFans market and some how kill off PornHub.
 
polonyc2 said:
I think it's safe to say the Apple Vision Pro has been a huge hit and exceeded expectations...Apple does it again
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I like Apple, but even I would say that that is not the case. This is far from being a ubiquitous device like Apple wants all of their hardware to be. And there is also no way it's profitable at this point. 5 years and 1 billion+ dollars doesn't get paid back with 180k x $3500 devices being sold. Even if there was zero cost to manufacture either in materials or labor that would still only be $630,000,000 (even with an optimistic 50% margin, that means the actual net revenue in less than half of that. I would guess that the margin is probably closer to 35% than 50%).

The reality is that all of Apple's current work and future work into AR is going to take years to recoup as it's not as if during development the money spending stops. However they knew this going in. Which is why they invested 5+ years in the first place. They want to be ahead of the curve, so that their investments into hardware/software can pay off in 10 years or so when they finally do have a device that can be sold to normal people.

I will say though that that is how Apple will present Vision Pro sales, as being "a success". They for sure want that kind of press to tell their shareholders. And certainly beating expectations was good. But not enough to bring them out of the red on this product segment.
 
UnknownSouljer said:
I like Apple, but even I would say that that is not the case. This is far from being a ubiquitous device like Apple wants all of their hardware to be. And there is also no way it's profitable at this point. 5 years and 1 billion+ dollars doesn't get paid back with 180k x $3500 devices being sold. Even if there was zero cost to manufacture either in materials or labor that would still only be $630,000,000 (even with an optimistic 50% margin, that means the actual net revenue in less than half of that. I would guess that the margin is probably closer to 35% than 50%).

The reality is that all of Apple's current work and future work into AR is going to take years to recoup as it's not as if during development the money spending stops. However they knew this going in. Which is why they invested 5+ years in the first place. They want to be ahead of the curve, so that their investments into hardware/software can pay off in 10 years or so when they finally do have a device that can be sold to normal people.

I will say though that that is how Apple will present Vision Pro sales, as being "a success". They for sure want that kind of press to tell their shareholders. And certainly beating expectations was good. But not enough to bring them out of the red on this product segment.
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I wasn't talking about sales as much as the overall response to the Apple Vision Pro...it has been overwhelmingly positive as a tech prototype...future revisions are only going to get better (and cheaper)...the current version was never meant to be a mass market consumer device...it was meant as a way for Apple to show off their vision of the future
 
UnknownSouljer said:
I like Apple, but even I would say that that is not the case. This is far from being a ubiquitous device like Apple wants all of their hardware to be. And there is also no way it's profitable at this point. 5 years and 1 billion+ dollars doesn't get paid back with 180k x $3500 devices being sold. Even if there was zero cost to manufacture either in materials or labor that would still only be $630,000,000 (even with an optimistic 50% margin, that means the actual net revenue in less than half of that. I would guess that the margin is probably closer to 35% than 50%).

The reality is that all of Apple's current work and future work into AR is going to take years to recoup as it's not as if during development the money spending stops. However they knew this going in. Which is why they invested 5+ years in the first place. They want to be ahead of the curve, so that their investments into hardware/software can pay off in 10 years or so when they finally do have a device that can be sold to normal people.

I will say though that that is how Apple will present Vision Pro sales, as being "a success". They for sure want that kind of press to tell their shareholders. And certainly beating expectations was good. But not enough to bring them out of the red on this product segment.
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Research is a hard thing to just quote as a cost. Because that has future value and isnt just a simple number to put toward cost of a single product. Lessons learned in development can apply to many products. And research money often needs to be burned anyways to keep a company moving otherwise you stagnate. If you don't make new things, your competitors will instead. There are values in patents as well. No company is going to get a 1month roi on a new product launch.

First iphone only sold i think 1-2million units the first year it was out.
 
Darunion said:
Research is a hard thing to just quote as a cost. Because that has future value and isnt just a simple number to put toward cost of a single product. Lessons learned in development can apply to many products. And research money often needs to be burned anyways to keep a company moving otherwise you stagnate. If you don't make new things, your competitors will instead. There are values in patents as well. No company is going to get a 1month roi on a new product launch.

First iphone only sold i think 1-2million units the first year it was out.
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We agree. Successful at what measure has to be telegraphed. It is definitely not an “unqualified success”. There are plenty of asterisks there.
 
My colleague who bought one at launch is already selling his. Said it is really cool but he has better things to do with $4k (can't blame him) - predicts in two years it'll be ubiquitous. Brings the question as to why he bought it in the first place...but hey.
 
sk3tch said:
My colleague who bought one at launch is already selling his. Said it is really cool but he has better things to do with $4k (can't blame him) - predicts in two years it'll be ubiquitous. Brings the question as to why he bought it in the first place...but hey.
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I would hazard a guess that their other half saw the credit card bill.
 
Funny how we hate on every single apple product, then 5 years later majority own it. Glad there are folks willing to dish out 3.5k to beta test.
 
4saken said:
Funny how we hate on every single apple product, then 5 years later majority own it. Glad there are folks willing to dish out 3.5k to beta test.
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Have to specify the "we" there. I think there are certainly a lot of Apple haters or "never Apple" people. But it's also obvious there are a lot of people that like Apple. And most of society is somewhere in the middle and doesn't really care.

I would say for the most part I like Apple, but they are far from a perfect company. There are zero companies out there that I would say could use some changes. But anyway, that's a digression.

Like you say though, there are a good chunk of people willing to roll the dice. I figured out a long time ago that first gen always gets burned pretty hard and is really for people that want to be at the bleeding edge.

iPhone gen 1 (later called "2g"), iPad gen 1, Apple Watch (later Series 0) - all quickly got replaced and pushed into obsolescence than devices that came out even just a few years later. To xDiVolatilX's point a few pages back, There likely will be faster and cheaper from Apple themselves sooner rather than later.
 
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