Teh Uber L33t Aqua-Computer Thread :)

[Top Nurse]

BTW, I didnt ban you from SNTforum, it may have been BB. I dont even know for what reason either, my head hurts too much through all the reading I've already done to make any sense of it.

No big deal as there are to many Cro-Magnon gamer types hanging out in that forum for my refined tastes.

On a final note, I do wish that just a few things would work out for the best sometimes.

ROFL! Welcome to the world of business, the vagarities of chance, and chaos (aka shit happens)

 

[Captin Insano]

No big deal as there are to many Cro-Magnon gamer types hanging out in that forum for my refined tastes.

Cro-Magnon??? Im not Cro-Magnon........................................................ Maybey Over-Testosterone challenged. LOL (at least thats what my wife would say) Hell, Im gettin close to my Mid life crisis. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Uh oh.

 

[Shoggy]

I gather this mod also makes it easier to put colored cellophane in front of the display?

Mhhh, as easy as with the original front plate.

I'm pretty sure that "front plate" isn't the correct word, or?

 

[Top Nurse]

Cro-Magnon??? Im not Cro-Magnon........................................................ Maybey Over-Testosterone challenged. LOL (at least thats what my wife would say) Hell, Im gettin close to my Mid life crisis.

I don't know after I saw some of you guy's pics Jeez that dragon shirt WAS loud...you should listen more to your wife. I bet she doesn't let you wear that out in public to often. But the tattoo looked cool Your A-C box also looked pretty sweet as well

 

[Top Nurse]

Mhhh, as easy as with the original front plate. I'm pretty sure that "front plate" isn't the correct word, or?

That is the correct term

 

[Captin Insano]

I don't know after I saw some of you guy's pics Jeez that dragon shirt WAS loud...you should listen more to your wife. I bet she doesn't let you wear that out in public to often. But the tattoo looked cool Your A-C box also looked pretty sweet as well

I just like to be funny and have a good time. So sometimes I act a little silly. Comes from having such a fun life with a good wife and daughter.AND Yea my wife hates that shirt cause its loud and you hit the nail right on the head. Not allowed in public.LOL!!! Thanks on the complement on the tat and my rig.

 

[Top Nurse]

Due to stuff becoming lost to posterity on this forum when the search function isn't working I thought I would add a couple of links to other threads applying to A-C.


Specific info related to Aquaero and AquaStream.
A hot looking V2000 H20 cooled by A-C.

 

[Top Nurse]

If your A-C cooler is starting to look ratty you might want to look at this thread.

 

[computerpro3]

when, exactly is the stuff going to be back in stock because I have a large ($400-500 probably) order I need to make asap.

 

[[S]nt|Mods]

I should have a confirmation of shipment this next week along with a tracking # coming into the states. PM me with what you were interested in.

-Dan

 

[computerpro3]

PM sent


Amazing; it now costs $647 to cool just my video cards........a week ago it was $450ish. You realize I could buy two Mach 1 phase change units for that price and have atriple phase change system......

OF course it's not SNT Systems fault, I imagine the AC stuff must be absolutley exorbitantly priced for the reseller after customs and taxes and stuff, plus the high demand and low supply, so I guess it equals high prices.

But damn, $650 just to cool my video cards.

 

[R1ckCa1n]

PM sent


Amazing; it now costs $647 to cool just my video cards........a week ago it was $450ish. You realize I could buy two Mach 1 phase change units for that price and have atriple phase change system......

OF course it's not SNT Systems fault, I imagine the AC stuff must be absolutley exorbitantly priced for the reseller after customs and taxes and stuff, plus the high demand and low supply, so I guess it equals high prices.

But damn, $650 just to cool my video cards.

I have not noticed AC's prices on their website going up........

 

[[S]nt|Mods]

Quoted from SNTforum:

SNTsystems currently will face an additional "handling" cost added to all Aqua-Computer water cooling products that will directly based on the motion of the Euro over the US Dollar.

-Dan

 

[Top Nurse]

PM sent


Amazing; it now costs $647 to cool just my video cards........a week ago it was $450ish. You realize I could buy two Mach 1 phase change units for that price and have atriple phase change system......

OF course it's not SNT Systems fault, I imagine the AC stuff must be absolutley exorbitantly priced for the reseller after customs and taxes and stuff, plus the high demand and low supply, so I guess it equals high prices.

But damn, $650 just to cool my video cards.

Perhaps you are getting hosed? Why not ask another Aqua-Computer dealer such as Wes at Sharka Corp for a quote. Another possibility is to e-mail Franz at IT-Trade for a quote. Franz will e you back within 24 hours with a firm price and delivery. So long as you pay by wire transfer the shipping is not that much especially with the amount you are contemplating to spend. You order from him tomorrow and you should have it in your hot little hands in about 5-7 days. If you want to pay by credit card then expenses go up significantly according to Franz

I was listening in to a conversation at the SNT Forum where the prices were being raised to supposedly cover the Euro to dollar ratio. Perhaps you should check out this link on exchange rates as the Dollar has been gaining ground on the Euro for the last week or so and is down to about the same level it was in December 2004. The prices Aqua-Computer charges also has not been increased and in some instances has actually decreased.

Just thought of another possibility that could be cheaper as the Yen-Dollar ratio hasn't changed much recently and there is a Japanese dealer that has offices here in the USA as well. I have heard they are doing about the equivalent to 30K Dollars a week, if you can believe it, in Aqua-Computer sales! This company is called Grow Up Japan and has offices in San Jose, Los Angeles, and New York.

Another benefit is that none of these companies are going to ask for your money before they ship. The one exception is IT-Trade and it is normal to get funds before shipping internationally, but even in their case they will ship with in a day or two once their are funded.

I believe that customs fees amount to less than 5% of the wholesale value and haven't significantly changed in recent times.

If you would like my analysis of SNT's actions and statements lately please E-me as it really shouldn't belong in this thread.

 

[[S]nt|Mods]

If you would like my analysis of SNT's actions and statements lately please E-me as it really shouldn't belong in this thread.

PM sent.

If you looked through all my forum posts I have stated quite a few times that I had prices set at a level that barely covered all the costs of importing them.

Looks like you are doing a very fine job of shutting me down all by yourself, thanks for that.

-Dan

 

[Top Nurse]

I'm in the process of putting together a list of available Aqua-Computer products by their webshop part numbers. There will be a short blurb about what it is in English. I think this will help everyone when discussing their products, especially if you are e-mailing someone in a foreign country as numbers are numbers no matter where you go. BTW, if you go to the German language webshop at www.aqua-computer.de/e_index.html and look in the upper right corner of the box you will see a line something like this: "Art.-Nr.53031" The number you see will correlate to the stuff I put up on the site.

I haven't been able to access my website for a while due to some upgrades by Earthlink to their system. When I can access it again I will post it to my site

 

[R1ckCa1n]

Looks like you are doing a very fine job of shutting me down all by yourself, thanks for that.

-Dan

I don't think he is trying to shut you down since you have been the major reason most of us even have access to AC parts. But, for a quote to ballon from 450.00 to 647.00 is outrageous.

 

[[S]nt|Mods]

Something isnt correct with that quote for the exact same items, something must have been added. About 15% percent was added over the past prices and those past prices were set far too low to bring any measurable profit into SNT. Up to this point SNT hasnt even really been for profit, I just wanted it to stay around since I had another job. When I decided to focus more on SNT and drop my other job the prices needed to take a raise to be more of a self sustaining business as well as a source of income for myself and all my work.

-Dan

 

[Top Nurse]

PM sent.

If you looked through all my forum posts I have stated quite a few times that I had prices set at a level that barely covered all the costs of importing them.

Looks like you are doing a very fine job of shutting me down all by yourself, thanks for that.

I wasn't going to respond as your e-mail was quite contradictory to the PR you have posted here recently. However, since you seem bound determined to push the issue I will respond. You have no idea who or what I am nor what knowledge I possess regarding the computer business or for that matter business in general. Your first statement is a nice try, but it don't fly as both of us are aware. Do you really want to discuss a hypothetical $10K order here and it's associated costs and profits? Do you want to include gross as well as net margins? I'm game if you are?

Your second statement is reminiscent of something I heard recently about never giving that kind of power to another human being over yourself. It simply isn't true and admitting it is kind of defeatist in nature. I have no doubt that your company will survive, but you will have to become leaner, meaner, and smarter. However, unless you have significant inventories or cash reserves to offset your business losses you will undoubtedly bite the weenie in not so quaint business terms Your only saving grace in this whole mess is your ability to get additional cash (via PayPal) from others to fund your business transactions on international orders which in turn will allow you to make additional profit. No cash no profit...no profit no business. Please don't blame me for your business problems

Now on a more positive and On Topic note I recently became aware of a really cool A-C weblog showing a really nice Lian-Li over on the OverClockers Forum

 

[[S]nt|Mods]

The SNT catalog's prices have been correctly adjusted as mentioned in my above post. If there is any question about an item's cost feel free to ask.

Also, the Cuplex XT has finally been released to the public.

-Dan

 

[ikellensbro]

Due to the other thread getting locked which had been my intention for a while I have decided to start the buzz up again. Please, lets try to keep this on topic and I ask everyone to please ignore certain individual(s) that may post here as much as possible. Again, I am not posting here to "advertise for sales" of SNTsystems or Aqua-Computer components. Please post any decent material related to the topic, pictures or whatever.

The floor is now open for discussion.

-Dan

Come on people, lets not let this turn into a war about aqua-computer or whatever is going on now.

Heres what I have so far towards making my own cheap water setup:

Pictured are all of the nylon/neoprene nuts, thumbscrews, & washers for holding the block to the ECS K7S5A & XP 1600+ that are going to be ocd; 4-1/2" barbs; a 2" pvc cap; a pack of 10 hose clamps, an Eheim 1048a & Escort HC (thanks kunsunoke); and 10' of 1/2"id-3/4"od tubing.

I still need 2 more barbs and some converters for the HC, another reason to go to Home Depot! I also need a 3x2x1/4" CU110 bar from onlinemetals.com for the waterblock base. Im probably going to cut about an inch off the height of the pvc cap, epoxy that to the copper plate, and also epoxy in an inlet close the the copper base, which will be dimpled over the core, and a high outlet.

All told, this is going to end up being around $70-$80, but should still cool that old Palonimo nicely.

Once everything is assembled, its going to be held along with the mobo, 5400rpm hd, old cd-r, & 10a-12v line pos psu in a knex frame w/ lots of padding to keep things quiet.

Yes, this is supposed to be ghetto

 

[Pooky]

Come on people, lets not let this turn into a war about aqua-computer or whatever is going on now.

Heres what I have so far towards making my own cheap water setup:

Pictured are all of the nylon/neoprene nuts, thumbscrews, & washers for holding the block to the ECS K7S5A & XP 1600+ that are going to be ocd; 4-1/2" barbs; a 2" pvc cap; a pack of 10 hose clamps, an Eheim 1048a & Escort HC (thanks kunsunoke); and 10' of 1/2"id-3/4"od tubing.

I still need 2 more barbs and some converters for the HC, another reason to go to Home Depot! I also need a 3x2x1/4" CU110 bar from onlinemetals.com for the waterblock base. Im probably going to cut about an inch off the height of the pvc cap, epoxy that to the copper plate, and also epoxy in an inlet close the the copper base, which will be dimpled over the core, and a high outlet.

All told, this is going to end up being around $70-$80, but should still cool that old Palonimo nicely.

Once everything is assembled, its going to be held along with the mobo, 5400rpm hd, old cd-r, & 10a-12v line pos psu in a knex frame w/ lots of padding to keep things quiet.

Yes, this is supposed to be ghetto

So what does it have to do with Aqua Computer?

 

[mwarps]

PM sent.

If you looked through all my forum posts I have stated quite a few times that I had prices set at a level that barely covered all the costs of importing them.

Looks like you are doing a very fine job of shutting me down all by yourself, thanks for that.

-Dan

Let me get this straight. You are blaming one woman for the downfall of your business. One woman who knows what she is talking about, researches before she buys [obsessively, I may add] and keeps it real.

TN is looking out for her best interest, and the interests of her fellow [H]ers. If we want A-C stuff, we're damned well going to find the cheapest and most reliable place to buy it from. If that involves going overseas due to shitty exchange rates or shitty business decisions, then so be it.

If this is a general indication of your company or your attitudes, then perhaps you should get into another line of work. Publicly faulting your potential customers for looking for a better deal is a sophomoric mistake at best, an alienating outrage at worst.

In this economy, however, there is no suprise at all that a small american company which depends on european goods is becoming insolvent. Welcome to Neo-conservative America. We make no real products. We outsource everything. We invade other countries for no reason what so ever. Our money is *worthless* everywhere else on the planet.

 

[Top Nurse]

So what does it have to do with Aqua Computer?

Hi Pooky...

I think maybe it's supposed to be the Eheim pump?

I'm expecting a Cuplex XP in my shipment so I will post some pics when it gets here. I'm curious to see what the temps are in contrast to my Koolance block.

BTW, did you see that weblog over on the OC forum link above? Made my mouth water for a dremel tool and my nibblers. I always like seeing what other people do as it gives me ideas about something else to do. I've been giving serious thought to knocking out the wall in the lower compartment of my V1200 case so I can move some stuff around to get an A-C radiator in there, but after seeing the AquaJet in the bottom of that case I will have to give that some more thought... Bummer I thought I had it all figured out LOL

 

[[S]nt|Mods]

Let me get this straight. You are blaming one woman for the downfall of your business. One woman who knows what she is talking about, researches before she buys [obsessively, I may add] and keeps it real.

TN is looking out for her best interest, and the interests of her fellow [H]ers. If we want A-C stuff, we're damned well going to find the cheapest and most reliable place to buy it from. If that involves going overseas due to shitty exchange rates or shitty business decisions, then so be it.

If this is a general indication of your company or your attitudes, then perhaps you should get into another line of work. Publicly faulting your potential customers for looking for a better deal is a sophomoric mistake at best, an alienating outrage at worst.

In this economy, however, there is no suprise at all that a small american company which depends on european goods is becoming insolvent. Welcome to Neo-conservative America. We make no real products. We outsource everything. We invade other countries for no reason what so ever. Our money is *worthless* everywhere else on the planet.

I never blamed her for any "downfall" of SNT, which there is none btw.

Also, notice the =rolleyes in that post.

-Dan

 

[mwarps]

I never blamed her for any "downfall" of SNT, which there is none btw.

Also, notice the =rolleyes in that post.

-Dan

Very good, very good. Rolleyes is misused and misunderstood often. Subtlety is key

 

[ikellensbro]

What I was trying to say is that we shouldnt keep jabbering on about Aqua-Computer, and instead focus on showing off our water cooling bling bling

 

[Top Nurse]

What I was trying to say is that we shouldnt keep jabbering on about Aqua-Computer, and instead focus on showing off our water cooling bling bling

Well I can appreciate your post and thanks for a needed cool-off by certain parties However, if you go here you will see what this thread is about

 

[Top Nurse]

Let me get this straight. You are blaming one woman for the downfall of your business. One woman who knows what she is talking about, researches before she buys [obsessively, I may add] and keeps it real.

TN is looking out for her best interest, and the interests of her fellow [H]ers. If we want A-C stuff, we're damned well going to find the cheapest and most reliable place to buy it from. If that involves going overseas due to shitty exchange rates or shitty business decisions, then so be it.

Yes the obsession is something I need to work on LOL. Perhaps the solution is to just do some more registry work and pickup a few more $$ so I can spend more and compulse less

We make no real products. We outsource everything.

Well I think one of the issues that Bush is considering with a devalued dollar in reference to the EURO is that it makes our exports cheaper to trade and their imports more expensive and therefore less competitive. So I think the bottom line is that our manufacturers need to get on the stick and develop high quality products and ship them over to the EC. Hell, since I haven't seen any patents being applied for (except Koolance) by the European manufacturers then reverse engineering becomes a viable option as well

I think the Aquaero could be made over in China and imported here for a significant discount for us consumers. I'm suprised that A-C hasn't considered making them in China themselves as they could then ship directly from there to here at a much more equitable market price. Maybe they already are...

 

[ikellensbro]

Top Nurse, please do what you were just talking about, and post about WC, not A-Q. There have been 4 pages of people talking about A-Q, and little about anyones actual rigs/WC stuff. Ypu have been contributing to this a ton, as you very well know. So once again, here is the first post:

Due to the other thread getting locked which had been my intention for a while I have decided to start the buzz up again. Please, lets try to keep this on topic and I ask everyone to please ignore certain individual(s) that may post here as much as possible. Again, I am not posting here to "advertise for sales" of SNTsystems or Aqua-Computer components. Please post any decent material related to the topic, pictures or whatever.

The floor is now open for discussion.

-Dan

 

[R1ckCa1n]

Now on a more positive and On Topic note I recently became aware of a really cool A-C weblog showing a really nice Lian-Li over on the OverClockers Forum

I would like you to know that this link is the reason I just ordered another Lian-Li case and am going to trash my current one! CRAP.

 

[mwarps]

Yes the obsession is something I need to work on LOL. Perhaps the solution is to just do some more registry work and pickup a few more $$ so I can spend more and compulse less

Nah. Watercooling chix are hottt. Seriously. Someone needs to look over all this shit and figure out what's good and what's not. I've seen a dozen threads at least with you exploring every option. It's a GOOD thing.

Well I think one of the issues that Bush is considering with a devalued dollar in reference to the EURO is that it makes our exports cheaper to trade and their imports more expensive and therefore less competitive. So I think the bottom line is that our manufacturers need to get on the stick and develop high quality products and ship them over to the EC. Hell, since I haven't seen any patents being applied for (except Koolance) by the European manufacturers then reverse engineering becomes a viable option as well

I think the Aquaero could be made over in China and imported here for a significant discount for us consumers. I'm suprised that A-C hasn't considered making them in China themselves as they could then ship directly from there to here at a much more equitable market price. Maybe they already are...

Yeah, chinese made stuff is cheaper, hate to say, especially lately. Not that it's as good a quality, or any less a quality as european goods, but.. it's cheaper.

That said, there are American products which outperform the A-C stuff and cost a *lot* less. It's definite bling, but it's just not worth it for me.

 

[Top Nurse]

The topic that you didn't post was Aqua-Computer However, I get the drift... politics, even WC A-C politics, is boorish. Now I suppose I will have to go out and get another Nikon digital as my 5400 disappeared on my trip to Florida. I figure a new 5400 will appear about the same time as my new A-C gear so that works for me.

I also made a misteak earlier and said I was getting in a XP block when in fact it is a Cuplex XT block (#21506) I also ordered the additional clear plexiglass (#21511) top as well in case I get bored with the Blue Ice top.

 

[Vlad335]

Let me get this straight. You are blaming one woman for the downfall of your business. One woman who knows what she is talking about, researches before she buys [obsessively, I may add] and keeps it real.

TN is looking out for her best interest, and the interests of her fellow [H]ers. If we want A-C stuff, we're damned well going to find the cheapest and most reliable place to buy it from. If that involves going overseas due to shitty exchange rates or shitty business decisions, then so be it.

If this is a general indication of your company or your attitudes, then perhaps you should get into another line of work. Publicly faulting your potential customers for looking for a better deal is a sophomoric mistake at best, an alienating outrage at worst.

In this economy, however, there is no suprise at all that a small american company which depends on european goods is becoming insolvent. Welcome to Neo-conservative America. We make no real products. We outsource everything. We invade other countries for no reason what so ever. Our money is *worthless* everywhere else on the planet.

This post is really a gem...

I love the little liberal *SPIN* you put in at the end.

 

[Top Nurse]

I would like you to know that this link is the reason I just ordered another Lian-Li case and am going to trash my current one! CRAP.

Well...sorry about that! It seemed like such a nice little link

Just be glad you aren't sitting here with a Lian-Li V1200 case that has some extra holes drilled in it thinking strongly about a V2000B case like I am. My V1200B is the 2nd case! The first one I started with was a PC-601B before I became acquainted with A-C gear. Hey are you interested in the V1200 case located here?

BTW, do you want to see something really wild? Check out this link. Holy shades of Egypt! Now an A-C cooled one of these would be totally awesome. I just called Eve and they will call me as soon as they get them in so I can see it first hand as to whether my A-C components will fit.

 

[Vlad335]

That said, there are American products which outperform the A-C stuff and cost a *lot* less. It's definite bling, but it's just not worth it for me.

I thought America just outsourced. Nothing of quality is made here.

 

[R1ckCa1n]

Well...sorry about that! It seemed like such a nice little link

Just be glad you aren't sitting here with a Lian-Li V1200 case that has some extra holes drilled in it thinking strongly about a V2000B case like I am. My V1200B is the 2nd case! The first one I started with was a PC-601B before I became acquainted with A-C gear. Hey are you interested in the V1200 case located here?

BTW, do you want to see something really wild? Check out this link. Holy shades of Egypt! Now an A-C cooled one of these would be totally awesome. I just called Eve and they will call me as soon as they get them in so I can see it first hand as to whether my A-C components will fit.

Actually I have a V1200 with tons of holes and cuts, but like the approach in that link. I was actually debating a Stacker just so I can run three loops; one for the CPU, one for the GPU, and one for the hard drives and northbridge. The V2000 might answer that call too.

 

[[S]nt|Mods]

Top Nurse, please do what you were just talking about, and post about WC, not A-Q. There have been 4 pages of people talking about A-Q, and little about anyones actual rigs/WC stuff. Ypu have been contributing to this a ton, as you very well know. So once again, here is the first post:

We are venturing off topic btw.

If your "A-Q" = Aqua-Computer there have been nearly 60 pages of this topic without going far off pace.

Also, Aqua-Computer would not out source their products to be built in China, it would lose the appeal. The slogan is "Nothing beats German engineering" after all. Everything in their inventory is made in Germany with the exception of a few pieces from Italy.

-Dan

 

[Top Nurse]

We are venturing off topic btw.

If your "A-Q" = Aqua-Computer there have been nearly 60 pages of this topic without going far off pace.

-Dan

Thanks Dan I was just about to say something as well, but I thought a little levity around here every once in a while might be good for us all

 

[ikellensbro]

Uggh, I dont know why I said AQ, I havent been in school for two weeks now (gotta love extended Psring Break!), so Im not paying attention to spelling to much.

Anyway, I cleaned the HC today, most of the gunk in there is gone now. I also went back to Home Depot, & found some plastic threaded converters that I'll epoxy on the inside of the copper pipe coming out of the HC, and use the barbs on it as well. I think its supposed to be a 1/2"-3/8" adapter, but it fits with my tubing & the HC. I also got a different PVC cap, I didnt realize that a 2" cap means that the inside is equal to the outer diameter of 2" inner diameter pipe. Instead, I got a 1.5" cap, which is about 2-1/4" wide. Ive ordered a 2.5x3x1/4" CU110 bar, and I have some very poorly done Paint pictures of what I plan to do:

Basic design, none of these are done to scale or are neatly drawn, but they get the point across.

Simple 1/8" deep holes to increase the contact area.

A single inlet right above the core, with a piece of copper pipe acting as an extender/flow accelerator, and two outlets at the top.

How the entire loop will look, the order being pump->HC w/ 4 80s->block->Tubberware reservoir->pump. Yes, there will be 2 outlets seperately going into the reservoir, unless a bunch of people tell me that it wont work any better than a single outlet.
And yes, each connection has scribbles for hose clamps