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These boost clock shenanigans indicate that [no surprises here] just like Intel, AMD is not beyond reproach in making arguably false marketing claims to persuade you to buy their product. That being said, I think that the "storm in a teacup" idiom is applicable here. The difference between advertised and actual boost clocks is small and the performance delta between them, probably negligible. Imo, 3000 series owners should be happy they bought an outstanding Cpu, at a great price and have no regrets going forward.
No one is saying that these aren't great chips. No one is denying their performance. As usual, AMD got "overzealous" with their marketing and people take issue with that. Even when the difference isn't huge, people have problems with being lied to. AMD loves to play the "underdog" card and pretend they're so much more consumer friendly than their competition, yet their marketing constantly proves they're not above lying to or misleading customers in order to get attention. The difference is so small that it doesn't matter for performance but AMD were the ones that chose to promise those numbers and were unable to deliver on it. If their marketing put the numbers just 100mhz lower people would be happy to see their chips exceeding the promised number, even if only by a little.
Calm down grandpa.
Do you communicate exclusively in /pol/ tier buzzwords?If I were a millennial I would report you for a super mega offensive personal attack on my gender and for being an age'ist. I'd also sue you for violating my safe space that I am entitled too on the internet.
But none of that will happen because I have hair on my chest and I dont know what soy taste like.
lol, young people in general aren't "millennials", only people who let themselves be defined by some stupid label. It's not old vs young, it's a mentality sort of thing. Every time someone responds defensively to a "Hurr, Millennials" joke, they feed right into the stereotype.Do you communicate exclusively in /pol/ tier buzzwords?
What's up with the irrational hatred of younger people anyway? Did someone under 30 cut you off in the line for discounted vegetables or something?
Do you communicate exclusively in /pol/ tier buzzwords?
What's up with the irrational hatred of younger people anyway? Did someone under 30 cut you off in the line for discounted vegetables or something?
I am more pissed off I cannot get my voltages to normal levels on my Gigabyte Aorus Maaster then I am about not seeing peak boost clock on 1 core. Right now my board sees 4.2 to 4.3 on all 12 cores, but I cannot get the voltages to run where I want them. I have open loop water cooling, but still see tempers over 70c because it fluctuates from 1.35 to 1.4 volts. I'm coming from a 4770k, so even base clocks are a performance jump and I do not care about over clocking, yet my board defaults to an overclock with unacceptably high voltages. I'm running the latest bios too, and everything is default.
Otherwise, I love this chip.
lol, young people in general aren't "millennials", only people who let themselves be defined by some stupid label. It's not old vs young, it's a mentality sort of thing. Every time someone responds defensively to a "Hurr, Millennials" joke, they feed right into the stereotype.
Anyways, I'd also be curious as to what ambient temps people are running their pcs in. I keep it at 75 (F because 'muricah), but during the winter I like to keep the heating bill a bit lower at 68.
I'm in the same boat; I've got the same mobo and it's way too willing to crank up the volts. Stock fan is a dustbuster too but that's on me because I didn't measure the case to see if I could fit a D15. Otherwise, it is a great processor. It's 4.0 all core when compiling Libreoffice (done in 17minutes, I might add) or something just as heavy, 4.2 on fluffier stuff, 4.4 or 4.5 when less than 12 cores.
If AC is in around 28c
You've got to change your thinking about voltage. Not all chips are the same. 1.4v is fine on the 3900x because it's really pulling alot of electrons through its hyper dense 7nm layout. Remember voltage is just a measure of electro motive force. Apparently it takes alot of electromotive force to feed the necessary amount of electrons through the hyper dense 7nm fabric of billions of transistors.
While a 1.2v stable full.load chip would be nice, this no longer works on 7nm.
I'm guessing 5nm or 3nm will require 1.5 or 1.6 volts to run.
These chips are infinitely more complex than chips of old. You add milliona to billions of more transistors as is required to maintain advancing performance the number of electrons necessary to flow through the fabric increases. It's like going from a 4cyl to a 6cyl engine. It requires more fuel.
You either raise the voltage or you add more parallel pathways to bring more electrons in.
Thus you need to change your paradigm of old thinking and expectations.
Anyways my Aorus Master runs my 3900x at wide open at 1.32v and that's set to auto.
Sorry for typos as I'm in my cell with my big hands.
lol, young people in general aren't "millennials", only people who let themselves be defined by some stupid label. It's not old vs young, it's a mentality sort of thing. Every time someone responds defensively to a "Hurr, Millennials" joke, they feed right into the stereotype.
Anyways, I'd also be curious as to what ambient temps people are running their pcs in. I keep it at 75 (F because 'muricah), but during the winter I like to keep the heating bill a bit lower at 68.
If I were a millennial I would report you for a super mega offensive personal attack on my gender and for being an age'ist. I'd also sue you for violating my safe space that I am entitled too on the internet.
But none of that will happen because I have hair on my chest and I dont know what soy taste like.
AMD is still going to be my next cpu, no matter how many people cry and try to make it seem bad. I just hope that few mhz less doesn't hurt anything or I might have to find a safe place!
If AC is in around 28c
You've got to change your thinking about voltage. Not all chips are the same. 1.4v is fine on the 3900x because it's really pulling alot of electrons through its hyper dense 7nm layout. Remember voltage is just a measure of electro motive force. Apparently it takes alot of electromotive force to feed the necessary amount of electrons through the hyper dense 7nm fabric of billions of transistors.
While a 1.2v stable full.load chip would be nice, this no longer works on 7nm.
I'm guessing 5nm or 3nm will require 1.5 or 1.6 volts to run.
These chips are infinitely more complex than chips of old. You add milliona to billions of more transistors as is required to maintain advancing performance the number of electrons necessary to flow through the fabric increases. It's like going from a 4cyl to a 6cyl engine. It requires more fuel.
You either raise the voltage or you add more parallel pathways to bring more electrons in.
Thus you need to change your paradigm of old thinking and expectations.
Anyways my Aorus Master runs my 3900x at wide open at 1.32v and that's set to auto.
Sorry for typos as I'm on my cell with my big hands.
That’s awesome you guys turned 10%+ less performance into some kind of weird generational thing. I don’t even know how you guys managed that.
So the narative is now you’re a soy boy if you don’t let AMD gape you. Seems kind of backwards?
If I were a millennial I would report you for a super mega offensive personal attack on my gender and for being an age'ist. I'd also sue you for violating my safe space that I am entitled too on the internet.
But none of that will happen because I have hair on my chest and I dont know what soy taste like.
Anyways, I'd also be curious as to what ambient temps people are running their pcs in. I keep it at 75 (F because 'muricah), but during the winter I like to keep the heating bill a bit lower at 68.
72-73F here. 68F in the winter time.
Man, you guys would melt in my place, lol.
77 during the day, 75 at night.
68 in the winter, but I may bump it to 70 next winter because natural gas is relatively cheap.
Which way is your XSPC block oriented? I have mine with the fitting vertical, so the intake is over the bottom !middle (if looking at the cpu)...I hopefully got it where the intake side is over my single chiplet (I realize your cpu has two )...
for everyone that is complaining, I have a serious question. If AND came out and said that we are aware that a fair number of you are unhappy that you are not seeing your CPU boost to the frequency you are listed as the "Max Boost clock" so in an effort to ensure you get the maxUnum possible performance , we have tweaked the way these revolutionary CPUs work.
the new changes will ensure you get better performance then the initial reviews showed, but you will notice that the CPU will deliver this performance boost while maintaining lower clocks then you may have noticed before.
If AND released a statement saying this, how many of you would still have a legit reason to complain or feel you were slighted?
As someone who was seeing OVER 4.4Ghz clocks on my 3700x with just the wraith prism on 1.0.0.2 AGESA, I am happy with the performance boost I have seen with the 1.0.0.3AAB despite my cpu only hitting 4350-4375 now. I gained a solid improvement in every benchmark, a nd got my b die ram at 3400 14-14-14-28-1t at 3400Mt/s.
Only just read the first page, as I suspected all the AMD apologists making excuses..
"he doesn't know what he's doing"
"people don't vent their pc's properly" (lol, AMD says it's OK to run hot, show's what you know)
"it wasn't a guarantee..."
"It's the mobo..." (He addressed that in the video)
Hypocrites... if Intel of nVidia had pulled this, they would all be lighting fires. But since it's AMD, it's fine.
Damn good info
Just saw this. As I figured the issue is probably something that can be resolved with agesa update
Thanks for that write up Dan. Are you writing something up for thefpsreview.com?
I've spent the last couple of weeks gathering data on this issue. Essentially, this is what I've observed about Ryzen 3000 series processors since launch and some of the conclusions I've reached.
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- Gamer's Nexus points out how the cooling comes into play, and while this may certainly be true, I think people tend to discount this theory as the tools available to them do not show this to be the case. I've seen CPU's not boost right while showing temperatures in the high 50's and 60's. This doesn't tell the user that the reason they can't hit the desired clocks is a temperature issue. Temperature may well be the issue, but if that's the case its spikes that happen faster than the software can capture and the algorithm drops the clocks before there is any chance of an over temperature condition.
Wow not shocked that AMD is will put out a bios that will address the issue, like others had said would likely happen. Hyperbole on this was nuts especially when the OP is pointing out a 25 MHz difference as a big deal. AMD had a couple of bugs they had to iron out first which always gets priority in engineering and then you work on performance.
It's not hyperbole and the difference isn't 25mhz, that's just one segment that everybody is latching to to use as a best case scenario counter argument to minimize the issue/bug. For my 3700x its 125mhz. More for some unlucky souls esp with the 3900x.
Also, it seems good is coming from it. Silence from amd for almost exactly 2 months followed by a sudden update 48 hours after this story finally broke the mainstream. I'm glad AMD is reacting.
Some of you have only noticed this for 2 days, those of us with the hardware have been spending hours and hours trying to fix it since early july.
It's not hyperbole and the difference isn't 25mhz, that's just one segment that everybody is latching to to use as a best case scenario counter argument to minimize the issue/bug. For my 3700x its 125mhz. More for some unlucky souls esp with the 3900x.
Also, it seems good is coming from it. Silence from amd for almost exactly 2 months followed by a sudden update 48 hours after this story finally broke the mainstream. I'm glad AMD is reacting.
Some of you have only noticed this for 2 days, those of us with the hardware have been spending hours and hours trying to fix it since early july.
Since it's so unimportant, I'm sure you'll ignore AMD's eventual BIOS fix and not bother applying it if you ever face the issue. Also, not sure which OP you were reading if 25 MHz difference is all you got out of it.Wow not shocked that AMD is will put out a bios that will address the issue, like others had said would likely happen. Hyperbole on this was nuts especially when the OP is pointing out a 25 MHz difference as a big deal. AMD had a couple of bugs they had to iron out first which always gets priority in engineering and then you work on performance.
You guys seem to have no clue how bad it could be, should have dealt with a VIA chipset and a AMD Athlon processor. Then you would know what a issue looks like and how to have patience for a fix.