Overhauled NVIDIA RTX 50 "Blackwell" GPUs reportedly up to 2.6x faster vs RTX 40 cards courtesy of revised Streaming Multiprocessors and 3 GHz+ clock

Red Falcon said:
If it were a GTX 480 it would certainly have grilled the eggs and bacon for you.
So glad the stock cooling solutions have come so far, especially with such high TDPs with current designs.
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We’ve come a crazy long way from the days of having to install aftermarket coolers to get decent cooling that’s for sure.
 
rinaldo00 said:
Where is it double the 3090, with DLSS? RT? In pure raster it is 60% faster.
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Eh, no. It's 70% per techpowerup game averages at 4k, pure raster. It only had a 7% price increase. Plus it has frame gen and updated rt cores. Talk about a nice gen on gen gain...! EDIT: Plus it uses less power.
 
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rinaldo00 said:
OK, 70%, that is not double.
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DLSS3 brings it to 3.4x the base performance of the 3090, or 240% faster. Many more games with it new or patched are coming in hot, now that Nvidia released the software tools. Already owners report it works great in Spider-Man, Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077, and more.
 
Wat said:
It will have its own self contained AI that will generate frames based on what it decides you want. In fact, you won't have to purchase games at all, the card will generate the games too.
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Hopefully they will be fully playable instead of the Alphas publishers push out these days.
 
Krenum said:
Customer: Whats the Price?

Nvidia: Fuck you is the price.
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... and yet, the prices are bearable by those who have the cash, so they buy them. If the card is too much for you, no shame in that, just buy something cheaper or barring that, an older card. No one's forcing you to buy at the price you're stating :).
 
GoldenTiger said:
DLSS3 brings it to 3.4x the base performance of the 3090, or 240% faster. Many more games with it new or patched are coming in hot, now that Nvidia released the software tools. Already owners report it works great in Spider-Man, Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077, and more.
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That is great, but I only care about raster performance.
 
GoldenTiger said:
... and yet, the prices are bearable by those who have the cash, so they buy them. If the card is too much for you, no shame in that, just buy something cheaper or barring that, an older card. No one's forcing you to buy at the price you're stating :).
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Alright mister passive aggressive I'll bite.

I'm finding as I get older and older my priorities are changing. While I can afford any price on the market, I start to ponder how much its really "worth". Since worth is subjective I find myself wondering if playing @1200+ dollars for a graphics card in 2023 is really worth it.

I suppose you are right in the fact that I should buy something cheaper since I only play a fraction of the games that I used to in my youth. Diablo 4 & Starfield being the ones Im planning on for this year. Of course Diablo 4 runs fine on the 2070 @ 1440p anyways.
 
HockeyJon said:
Your poor air conditioner :(.
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I said it before but I'm never paying more than I did for my EVGA 2070 Ultra ($525) - and if that means I end up buying a GT 6030 next then so be it - I've paid for and played on x80 tier cards, x70 tier cards, x60 tier cards, x50 tier cards over the years/decades

Dollar amount I pay for the card matters to me, not the card tier - I think there's also a bit of people tying what tier they're used to/want to their identity too much

But that said it's legit to complain about rising costs - even directed at Nvidia - though keep in mind it's not just Nvidia nor just GPUs - but still fine to direct it at them too

Also keep in mind - Nvidia is setting itself up to be a "oh yeah and we do gaming too still I think" company - so get used to it or move on in whatever way you decide
 
NKD said:
it wasn't 2x, more like 75% faster. Thats why I call horse shit in 2.6x lmao. I am sure its ray tracing number.
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Agreed, I would call horse shit on 2x 90% of the time. There wasnt a big enough performance increase on TSMC processes lately to say 2x+ faster without massively increasing the die and that would eat into Nvidia's margins and we all know they love their margins. That and GPU sales have slowed dramatically. We will see if Nvidia will increase the 5090 price I guess. 4090 with DLSS is exactly at the limit of 4k high refresh monitors/tv are. I gues 5090 can do it without DLSS, but not sure its worth the money since DLSS without frame generation is pretty damn good.
 
Krenum said:
Alright mister passive aggressive I'll bite.

I'm finding as I get older and older my priorities are changing. While I can afford any price on the market, I start to ponder how much its really "worth". Since worth is subjective I find myself wondering if playing @1200+ dollars for a graphics card in 2023 is really worth it.

I suppose you are right in the fact that I should buy something cheaper since I only play a fraction of the games that I used to in my youth. Diablo 4 & Starfield being the ones Im planning on for this year. Of course Diablo 4 runs fine on the 2070 @ 1440p anyways.
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I wasn't trying to be passive aggressive, just pragmatic. Same argument is make for your situation, which you arrived at anyway.
 
So a top-end Blackwell GPU could actually hit over 90 FPS in MSFS 2020 in VR mode where the RTX 4090 only does 45 FPS? I'll believe it when I see it.

Not that I plan on upgrading so soon, I have a "skip a generation" rule and I'm already on Ada Lovelace right now, so that puts me on whatever's after Blackwell at the soonest.

gtrguy said:
We’ve come a crazy long way from the days of having to install aftermarket coolers to get decent cooling that’s for sure.
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At the cost of gigantic heatsinks that block off four slots (most AIB 4080/4090 cards), which leaves me wondering if they should really just waterblock 'em all from the factory if this is the direction we're going.

With that said, I have no complaints about my Zotac 4080's thermals or fan noise, just the fact that I can't use all but one of my other PCIe slots due to mobo layout.
 
staknhalo said:
Also keep in mind - Nvidia is setting itself up to be a "oh yeah and we do gaming too still I think" company - so get used to it or move on in whatever way you decide
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A lot of people are saying this, but the gaming market is worth billions and Nvidia isn’t going to walk away from it. Just because they’re cranking prices doesn’t mean they don’t want to play, they’re just trying to find out what the market will bear. The fact that gamers (not miners) lined up to buy a $1600 video card proves to them their pricing strategy is fine. Look forward to an $1800-$2000 RTX 5090 next generation because why not, and the same people will buy it.
 
HockeyJon said:
A lot of people are saying this, but the gaming market is worth billions and Nvidia isn’t going to walk away from it. Just because they’re cranking prices doesn’t mean they don’t want to play, they’re just trying to find out what the market will bear. The fact that gamers (not miners) lined up to buy a $1600 video card proves to them their pricing strategy is fine. Look forward to an $1800-$2000 RTX 5090 next generation because why not, and the same people will buy it.
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I never said walk away, I said won't be their primary business anymore
 
staknhalo said:
I never said walk away, I said won't be their primary business anymore
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Maybe so obviously, but the competition outside gaming will be significantly bigger, IBM amazon, facebook, google, amd-xilinx, intel, Apple

https://www.ibm.com/blogs/systems/i...en-microprocessor-for-ibm-z-and-ibm-linuxone/

A lot of it is "new", as to run specific thing, does not need to build relationship with something as diverse as the world gaming industry, support almost all PC config from a decade, DX9, DX11, DX12 and in the gaming side for game to work to support you when it is needed you need to be big creating a giant moat for a new entry.

So unlike gaming gpu there are a long list of startup in the game, like: https://groq.com/why-ai-requires-a-new-chip-architecture/
Take an AMD right now, just imagine just how much more than gaming Zen5 is involved in, still made quite the gaming oriented launch, arguably the 7950x3d was even targeted at them, even thought it seem to have an hard time delivering all the epyc-threadripper-laptop it could sales, still kept the focus on the gaming part.

Marging are so great that Nvidia will keep a large focus in that market as long has they have them and it should much easier to keep them in that market than most others, until it become a commodity (when your 3 years old regular chip can play 240hz, 8k in each eye, photo realistic rendering).
I could be saying non-sense, but that my feeling, as long you have some duopoly with a competitor that play game, it is for both, a margin dream (I think Nvidia reached the 60%, Nvidia in a good year reached microsoft in a bad year, a software company with non sense margin).

Everything outside gaming feel quite dangerous to be overtaken by the competition or the biggest player having their in-house solution
 
LukeTbk said:
Maybe so obviously, but the competition outside gaming will be significantly bigger, IBM amazon, facebook, google, amd-xilinx, intel, Apple

https://www.ibm.com/blogs/systems/i...en-microprocessor-for-ibm-z-and-ibm-linuxone/

A lot of it is "new", as to run specific thing, does not need to build relationship with something as diverse as the world gaming industry, support almost all PC config from a decade, DX9, DX11, DX12 and in the gaming side for game to work to support you when it is needed you need to be big creating a giant moat for a new entry.

So unlike gaming gpu there are a long list of startup in the game, like: https://groq.com/why-ai-requires-a-new-chip-architecture/
Take an AMD right now, just imagine just how much more than gaming Zen5 is involved in, still made quite the gaming oriented launch, arguably the 7950x3d was even targeted at them, even thought it seem to have an hard time delivering all the epyc-threadripper-laptop it could sales, still kept the focus on the gaming part.

Marging are so great that Nvidia will keep a large focus in that market as long has they have them and it should much easier to keep them in that market than most others, until it become a commodity (when your 3 years old regular chip can play 240hz, 8k in each eye, photo realistic rendering).
I could be saying non-sense, but that my feeling, as long you have some duopoly with a competitor that play game, it is for both, a margin dream (I think Nvidia reached the 60%, Nvidia in a good year reached microsoft in a bad year, a software company with non sense margin).

Everything outside gaming feel quite dangerous to be overtaken by the competition or the biggest player having their in-house solution
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Take a look at datacenter in nvidia's past quarterly reports, it's already happening, along with them pushing omniverse in industry sectors

And look at all the recent interviews with Jensen and how he talks about how they're an accelerated computing company, for all different parts of the economy. And they were just right, in his words, on betting on gaming as the first type of accelerated computing application for them. Now is their time of branching/building/cementing themselves out elsewhere, and gaming is just where they started.
 
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The 2.x-2.6x faster target figure would probably like almost always be the pipe dream they will not actually reach as an average FPS, specially not with the cpu-game existing at launch.

But was it specific to the 5090 versus the 4090 ? That would be quite something going from TSMC 5 to 3 to be achieved even with a new architecture

But it could be an option for the 5080 vs 4080, 5070 vs 4070, if they need to do the 2.x faster if they feel they need to do that to keep the price high, why not ?

Lovelace pricing-performance was made in a madworld after all, the 5xxx could be in a different mindset.
 
staknhalo said:
Take a look at datacenter in nvidia's past quarterly reports, it's already happening, along with them pushing omniverse in industry sectors

And look at all the recent interviews with Jensen and how he talks about how they're an accelerated computing company, for all different parts of the economy. And they were just right, in his words, on betting on gaming as the first type of accelerated computing application for them. Now is their time of branching/building/cementing themselves out elsewhere, and gaming is just where they started.
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Did not know by how much it was bigger already (doubling), since Turing there was already a significant there a GPU computer, find stuff to do with it in your game if you can to take advantage of all the hardware it simplifies the design and manufacturing versus having a completely separate product line, and it could get more and more like that.

Games engine will probably shift a bit toward this to match it (it will run language model for npc dialogue, generative construction of trees and building to be all unique and so on) too.
 
I have zero qualifications to give any insight into this. But let me tell you that is not going to happen.

Even if somehow possible Nvidia will typically stay at around 30% real world performance boosts between generations. They really have no reason to not slow roll out performance jumps even if they are capable of much more. They have so much market share and I doubt AMD will be Nvidia's fastest GPU anytime soon.
 
Flogger23m said:
Even if somehow possible Nvidia will typically stay at around 30% real world performance boosts between generations. They really have no reason to not slow roll out performance jumps even if they are capable of much more. They have so much market share and I doubt AMD will be Nvidia's fastest GPU anytime soon.
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The 7900xtx, keeping the same "price tag" more or less in a context where we had an 18% inflation between 2020 and 2023 seem to beat at launch the 6900xt by almost 50% at 4k (56% with RT on) while having 50% more ram for those for who it would matter.

A similar jump from AMD offer would certainly force Nvidia to do more than the 30% every 2 years or so jump, specially with ampere-lovelace creating much bigger expectation, even more so if they want to keep those price tag, the 4080 seem to beat a 45% performance jump (+53% with RT on) + DLSS 3 over the 3080 and it was not well received.

They could go lower price obviously, but I am not sure if they want too, if the 5080 beat the 4080 by only 30%, it could be hard on the marketing and pricing side in a world where the 2 years old 4090 beat the 4080 by about the same amount.

There is always a wildcard of AMD fixing virtually all their chiplet issues that could push Nvidia to be ready for that type of performance and via some industrial espionage cutting it back closer to the launch if it is not needed to keep the next generational jump they need certain to be achievable.

at 4k raster according to techpowerup sample of games
2080->3080 jump was of 66%
3080->4080 jump was of 50%

Would not surprise me if they go for something similar again, while having some best case scenario they can show of a near 2x that get rounded up to 2x
 
I went out and bought the 4090 because I work my ass off. And I wanted something that would last me for 5 years without spending a single dime after I bought it. The 4090 should do that.
 
sharknice said:
If you don't care about ray tracing you don't really care about graphics. It isn't 2018 anymore. Every new AAA game has ray tracing, games without look like garbage by comparison. Ray tracing performance is more relevant than rasterization at this point.
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Lol, yeah that's not reality at all. Hogwarts Legacy looks so good without turning on ray tracing, I was hard pressed to notice the difference when I turned on Ray Tracing. Raster performance remains king when it comes to almost all buyers still.
 
sharknice said:
If you don't care about ray tracing you don't really care about graphics. It isn't 2018 anymore. Every new AAA game has ray tracing, games without look like garbage by comparison. Ray tracing performance is more relevant than rasterization at this point.
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I guess if you just stare at curated digital foundry screenshots all day. Most games barely make a difference with it.

*Edit* Speaking of "curated screenshots", I love when they clearly gimp the non-RT version to make RT look better. The best example I saw of this was, I think, a cyperpunk one with a car and the non-RT screenshot had literally no shadowing under the car, which is absolute nonsense. You don't need RT to make a shadow under an object.
 
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