NVidia 760 Now or wait for the 860?

DejaWiz said:
For a practical standpoint for most scenarios, there's really no need right now. I can play FC3 completely maxed out with my 570 and I'm happy with playability. I'm sure we'll be seeing some games over the next year or two that will bring a 7870 or 660 to their knees, as it always goes with hardware and software as time passes.

But again, it all depends on the game. There are a couple titles out there that can make a 670 or 7950 dip around at 1080p when settings are maxed.
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A 680/7970 cant hold BF3 @ 1080P on MAX settings above 60fps 100% of the time.........
 
ssnyder28 said:
If you're gaming at 1080 or below why not just get a cheaper card? I don't have the scratch to afford higher res setups atm and I have 4 different systems 2 which are mainly lower end gaming setups for my kids. They get plenty of juice out of a 260gtx and a 280gtx so I don't see why a 660ti or a 7870xt wouldn't be plenty for you. Going beyond a 7950 or a 670 gtx just seems like overkill to me.
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People who either want to max their games at 60fps at all times (something a single 7950 or 670 can not achieve), or they have a 120hz monitor.

For example, I can't max out any "new" games with a single gtx 780 at 120hz. Then again, I rarely play any of games with max settings (I need my fps to match my refresh rate).
 
DejaWiz said:
For a practical standpoint for most scenarios, there's really no need right now. I can play FC3 completely maxed out with my 570 and I'm happy with playability. I'm sure we'll be seeing some games over the next year or two that will bring a 7870 or 660 to their knees, as it always goes with hardware and software as time passes.

But again, it all depends on the game. There are a couple titles out there that can make a 670 or 7950 dip around at 1080p when settings are maxed.
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not this again. you are not playing Far Cry 3 along with many other games "completely maxed out" so please stop claiming that. Ultra settings and 8x AA would net you about 20-25 fps in that game for an average. I have a 660ti and I have to reduce AA and in Far Cry 3 as well as many games other settings too for them to be smooth. plus MANY people want to stay above 60fps which means even more settings are reduced.
 
People think that because the game is on ultra settings means its maxed even though they shut off AA/AF.
 
doz said:
People think that because the game is on ultra settings means its maxed even though they shut off AA/AF.
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yeah people need to be more clear. if they say maxed out then that may not be AA but if they are going out of their way to say "completely maxed out" then that indicates EVERY single setting at its max.
 
DejaWiz said:
2. If Maxwell arrives before the end of 2013, then it will most certainly be worth the wait...if you have the money. Because I'm sure only the flagship will release first, so be prepared to shell out $600+
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nvidia is releasing new graphics cards right now, a year after the last release. do not expect new graphics cards in 6 months.
 
cannondale06 said:
yeah people need to be more clear. if they say maxed out then that may not be AA but if they are going out of their way to say "completely maxed out" then that indicates EVERY single setting at its max.
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Ahahahah.. My bad.... I wasnt aware of the definition of "maxed out" obviously.
 
cannondale06 said:
not this again. you are not playing Far Cry 3 along with many other games "completely maxed out" so please stop claiming that. Ultra settings and 8x AA would net you about 20-25 fps in that game for an average. I have a 660ti and I have to reduce AA and in Far Cry 3 as well as many games other settings too for them to be smooth. plus MANY people want to stay above 60fps which means even more settings are reduced.
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I said it works well enough for me...maxed out. I never mentioned any other games. Skyrim I have to dial back a bit, but that's with the texture pack and some mods.

I was hesitant with running FC3 maxed at first because I thought it would be at a crawl, but it isn't, surprisingly enough.
 
DejaWiz said:
I said it works well enough for me...maxed out. I never mentioned any other games. Skyrim I have to dial back a bit, but that's with the texture pack and some mods.

I was hesitant with running FC3 maxed at first because I thought it would be at a crawl, but it isn't, surprisingly enough.
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you said completely maxed out. so are you actually claiming to run all ultra and 8x AA? if you are then it will not be playable.
 
cannondale06 said:
you said completely maxed out. so are you actually claiming to run all ultra and 8x AA? if you are then it will not be playable.
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I will check and verify, but I'm fairly certain. I know it's set to Ultra, but I will make sure to see what the AA is set to. I do know I have in-game Vsync off and Adaptive Vsync on, which made a pretty big difference.
 
DejaWiz said:
I will check and verify, but I'm fairly certain. I know it's set to Ultra, but I will make sure to see what the AA is set to. I do know I have in-game Vsync off and Adaptive Vsync on, which made a pretty big difference.
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lol you might as well leave vsync off completely off as you are not even remotely close to getting 60 fps even with no AA so adaptive is doing nothing for you. you can see right here the 480 is only getting 30 fps at 1920x1200 with just 4x MSAA. your card is basically dead been with a 480. add 2 more fps for 1920x1080 and you are at 32 fps with 4x MSAA. bump that to 8x and you will not even average but low to mid 20s. http://www.techspot.com/review/615-far-cry-3-performance/page5.html

EDIT: here is the 570 getting 27 fps with just 4x MSAA at 1920x1200. again lower that to 1920x1080 but bump it up to 8x AA and you will be in the lower 20s for an average. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_770/16.html

there is a reason they dont even test cards with 8x AA as even much faster cards that yours would not be playable.
 
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cannondale06 said:
here is the 570 getting 27 fps with just 4x MSAA at 1920x1200. again lower that to 1920x1080 but bump it up to 8x AA and you will be in the lower 20s for an average. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_770/16.html

there is a reason they dont even test cards with 8x AA as even much faster cards that yours would not be playable.
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I just verified my FC3 game settings:
Ultra
AA = 2x MSAA

My bad! Sorry everyone, didn't mean to convey any wrong info.
 
The 700 series (re-vamped 600 series) is 28nm Kepler architecture. The 800 Maxwell series will be 20nm, a new next generation architecture - will that make such a substantial difference that's worth waiting for?

My plan is to keep this new GPU (probably a 760) and move it into my next new system. So, I just wanna make sure that 760 won't be the 'bottleneck' in that next new system - that's my pickle. Will the 760 and 28nm Kepler architecture be good enough for a Haswell or Broadwell system? I mean, what new standards will be different by then - DX 12, DDR6, 4k resolution?

My current system:

MB: MSI 790FX-GD70
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955
RAM: 8g Mushkin 1600
GPU: HIS 4870 1g
PSU: Seasonic X-750w
HD: WD Blue 500g sata 2 at 3g/ps
Case: Antec One Illusion (w/4 fans)
OS: Windows 7 Pro, 64-bit
Mon: ASUS 21.5 VS229H (IPS)

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http://videocardz.com/38693/nvidia-sticks-with-tsmc-for-20nm-maxwell-geforce-800-series
 
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So, speculation of Maxwell is double to triple the floating point performance, power draw being a constant?

Hmm... no doubt that Maxwell will draw significantly less power than Kepler, so what does that really translate to about the actual performance difference between 700 flagship (GTX 780) to 800 flagship, or 700 upper-range (760ti or 770) to 800 upper-range?
Another 5-15% increase out of the box? 25%? 33%? 50%? Wish we knew now!
 
Most of these specs are apparently from the same source. Are they really good or just ok? I'm skeptical of the accuracy. Compare it to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 Specification

GeForce GTX 760

GPU: GK104-225
CUDA Cores: 1152
TMUs: 96
ROPs: 32
Base Clock: 1072 MHz
Boost Clock: 1111 MHz
Memory Clock: 1752 MHz
Effective Memory Clock: 7008 MHz
Memory Bandwidth: 224 GB/s
Memory Size: 2GB GDDR5
Memory Bus: 256-bit
Power Connectors: 2x 6-pin
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Supposed Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 GPU-Z Hits Chinese Forum

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 3DMark11 Performance Leaked

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 Has 1152 CUDA Cores

MSI Readies GeForce GTX 760 Gaming OC Edition
 
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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 Final Specs Unveiled

GeForce GTX 760

GPU: GK104-225
CUDA Cores: 1152
TMUs: 96
ROPs: 32
Base Clock: 980 MHz
Boost Clock: 1033 MHz
Memory Clock: 1502 MHz
Effective Memory Clock: 6008 MHz
Memory Bandwidth: 192 GB/s
Memory Size: 2GB / 4GB GDDR5
Memory Bus: 256-bit
Power Connectors: 2x 6-pin
TDP: 170W
 
JoseJones said:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 Final Specs Unveiled

GeForce GTX 760

GPU: GK104-225
CUDA Cores: 1152
TMUs: 96
ROPs: 32
Base Clock: 980 MHz
Boost Clock: 1033 MHz
Memory Clock: 1502 MHz
Effective Memory Clock: 6008 MHz
Memory Bandwidth: 192 GB/s
Memory Size: 2GB / 4GB GDDR5
Memory Bus: 256-bit
Power Connectors: 2x 6-pin
TDP: 170W
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So they cut the cuda cores from 1344 but increase the mem bus to 256-bit and this is suppose to replace the 660 Ti. I highly doubt thats gonna cut it Nvidia. There has to be at Ti variant.

Looking again, they dropped the TMU's from 112, but upped the ROP's to 32 from 24??
 
Just..what...? Is the 800 series even on the horizon at this point? This thread takes "buy x or wait for y" to a whole new level.
 
wabbitseason said:
Just..what...? Is the 800 series even on the horizon at this point? This thread takes "buy x or wait for y" to a whole new level.
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Yes, their good as gold Maxwell is rumored for a 2H 2014 release...this is nVidia just milking their current architecture, again.

Buy their milk now, or wait for their gold.
 
I have a funny feeling that this Project Denver stuff won't be baked into Maxwell until the 900 series.
 
Basically the 760 won't be a direct replacement for the 670 and we're hoping the 760ti (if there even is one) will be at the $249 and $299 pricepoints?
 
I've seen rumors about prices of 1100-1200 PLN on launch day which would put it in 250-280 euro bracket.
 
SnowBeast said:
So they cut the cuda cores from 1344 but increase the mem bus to 256-bit and this is suppose to replace the 660 Ti. I highly doubt thats gonna cut it Nvidia. There has to be at Ti variant.

Looking again, they dropped the TMU's from 112, but upped the ROP's to 32 from 24??
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why is that confusing? if the shaders were cut to 1152 then of course there will only be 96 tmus. and if memory bus goes to 256 then of course rops will go up to 32.
 
If those "final specs" from videocardz.com turn out to be true, then 760 ~ 660ti in gaming performance. Seems that this is pretty much a 660 with a hodge-podge of specs between a 660ti and 670 thrown in.

And if it does get priced in the USD $330-370 range, then no thanks. Too expensive and I'll likely be skipping the 700 series since it's obvious nVidia still wants to severely gouge the wallets of their midrange gaming card buyers.

780 @ $650 ~ Titan for $350 less
770 $400 ~ 680 for $100 less
760 $330+ ~ 660ti for $70+ more

I really hope to see the 760 get priced lower than today's prices of the 660ti.
 
So, are these decent specs or not? What do you think this 760 (a revamped 660) is worth $229, $249 or $299? If they'll sell this for say $229, I'd consider the 4g of memory version - wonder what that'll cost?

GeForce GTX 760 specs:

GPU: GK104-225
CUDA Cores: 1152
TMUs: 96
ROPs: 32
Base Clock: 980 MHz
Boost Clock: 1033 MHz
Memory Clock: 1502 MHz
Effective Memory Clock: 6008 MHz
Memory Bandwidth: 192 GB/s
Memory Size: 2GB / 4GB GDDR5
Memory Bus: 256-bit
Power Connectors: 2x 6-pin
TDP: 170W

- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 Final Specs Unveiled
 
it will probably be about 670 performance. only difference between 670 and this card is 192 sp/ 16 tmus. those do not always scale well as even the 680 is only 4-5% faster clock for clock than the 670. and since the 760 will have slightly higher clocks than the 670, I bet it will match or only be 1-2% slower than the 670.
 
$250 seems to be the appropriate price tag for this card. I'm guessing they will release a ti variant, sometime in the future.
 
Well, I broke down and bought a factory overclocked GTX 670+a free copy of Metro Last Light for about $140 less than what a new GTX 770 costs here in Sweden. There were only 4 left in stock at the time so I had to act quickly... It's practically as fast as the GTX 680:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/39249-kfa2-geforce-gtx-670-ex-oc/

Now all I'm waiting for is the announcement that the GTX 760 will be $239 and perform better than a GTX680 :p
 
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@DejaWiz even with maxwell i doubt we gonna see major performance jumps .
Nvidia is so damn spartanian my guess is a max15% top increase over the gtx 7XX series.
I think they got another monster 1000+$ GPU based on maxwell up their sleeve wich will blow our minds . In an poor enthusiast , where i live i.e. the current gtx 770 is sold for 550 to 650 $ without tax ,
and including tax its around healthy 700 bucks.
http://www.vatanbilgisayar.com/Ekra...11-ekran-karti/productdetails.aspx?I_ID=66445
 
notsure said:
@DejaWiz even with maxwell i doubt we gonna see major performance jumps .
Nvidia is so damn spartanian my guess is a max15% top increase over the gtx 7XX series.
I think they got another monster 1000+$ GPU based on maxwell up their sleeve wich will blow our minds.
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I think we will only see around a 15% jump, as well. But at a much lower loaded power draw.

$1000 monster? Sure we will see it again with Maxwell. First a twin GPU single slot solution like every past GTX series, then maybe another single GPU behemoth to follow in Titan's footsteps.
 
If those numbers are real, then nVidia will need to seriously consider a $225-$250 range for the 2GB and a $275-$300 range for the 4GB to steal a hell of a lot of 7950/7950B potential buyers.

The 7950/7950B with 3GB (currently priced as low as $270 for a BE) is perfectly capable of attaining playable framerates in every single game at 1080p and about 1/3 of the games at 1600 res.
 
DejaWiz said:
I think we will only see around a 15% jump, as well. But at a much lower loaded power draw.
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I think there will be some pretty dramatic bumps in some CUDA workloads... IF they manage to successfully squeeze that ARMv8 CPU in there.
 
DejaWiz said:
If those numbers are real, then nVidia will need to seriously consider a $225-$250 range for the 2GB and a $275-$300 range for the 4GB to steal a hell of a lot of 7950/7950B potential buyers.

The 7950/7950B with 3GB (currently priced as low as $270 for a BE) is perfectly capable of attaining playable framerates in every single game at 1080p and about 1/3 of the games at 1600 res.
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I don't see how those numbers could be real, especially with the claim that 4X AA is enabled on all of those games at 2560x1600. Either way, looking at the FPS deltas, even if taken truthfully, basically shows the cards to be a tie. There's not enough extra performance to boost gameplay settings on any game in that lineup, therefore, there's not much to get excited about here unless the card is cheaper than a 7950 Boost edition.

I'm actually surprised I'm still subscribed to this thread... perhaps its time for me to check out...
 
JoseJones said:
"Of course all the data below is straight from the manufacturer, so expect slightly better results than you will see in the reviews." "GeForce GTX 760 around 10% faster than Radeon HD 7950."

http://videocardz.com/images/2013/06/GeForce-GTX-760-Gaming-Performance.png

http://videocardz.com/images/2013/06/GeForce-GTX-760-vs-HD-7950.png

- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 Performance Preview
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I don't see how those numbers are possible when rumored specs for 760 suggest it will have 25% less shaders and 5-6% slower clock than 770.
 
770 is an overclocked 680. so you should expect 760 to be an overclocked 670. and in that case, you would expect it to be faster than 7950.
 
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