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I had a 50" JU6500 that I sold last week. New owner loves it. BUT ......... 50" is a tad too big, for me and I suspect most others. I was about 3 1/2 + pushing 4' from it and it was still a bit too much. I honestly think the best size to get is 48" curved.
Don't mind him; I see the village idiot got out again. Same guy that uses hashtags (lol) and ignores everyone who doesn't agree with him. I tried having a friendly debate, proved him wrong, and he went psycho. There is a reason why 99% of the people in this thread opted for the 40"-48"...anything larger is pushing it IMO, but may be manageable depending on your setup. So yeah, there might be someone here and there with the 55", but like 6FD said...for most people that's too large for a PC monitor and they'll be better served by the 40"-48".
If you cannot lower the TV or lean back to get the height right, you have a point. But the definition of a monitor isnt right, any display is a monitor. With a 4K screen you have to have it close enough to read the text so there is less wiggle room with height. With 1080p you can have it further away which reduces the amount you have to look up. Ultimately the size doesnt matter if you can put the TV far enough away and at the right height. An 85" TV user can push the TV further away and lower it a bit to compensate. Or use it from a sofa and lean back a little on cushions instead of lowering it. The further away the TV is the better if you can position it right, larger TVs are easier on the eye when set up well. If you place it on a desk, you will be size limited.
Is there not an inherent contradiction in the idea that the bigger the monitor, the farther away from it you must sit in order to use it comfortably for computer work? Seems there has to be a point of diminishing returns at which too big ends up being too far away.
Thinking in this way you can hang 85" 4K TV on a wall and tell this is your monitor. But it is not, monitor is something which is at your private viewing distance. Reason also tells not to neglect potential health problems in particular for those who make living from staring in the monitor. When ergonomy recommends upper edge of the display not far from eye level there is research behind it.
Then you have surely read this post from Cyph..
To me, most of your points seem vague, irrelevant or simply invalid..
First two points look like BS... DP vs HDMI, whatever, I don't care.
Philips is also not cheaper in Europe, despite being longer on the market, as you can get a flat version of Samsung (model 6400) for 700-750, which is the same as Philips...
Philips perhaps has a bit lower input lag, but that's just about it, I believe.
This is from my 40" JU6700
You are making up your own definitions of a "monitor". It's simply a device that allows you to MONITOR/observe the operation of a machine. Even the LCD in my keyboard is a monitor. A television is a monitor. Just because you think a monitor means private, it doesn't make it so. Does installing a privacy filter on your tv make it a monitor?
If you go beyond the definition of what a monitor is, the general understanding is that monitor = display that shows something, and a television is a device that can tune in on broadcast signals on different frequencies, over the air or by wire. No more or no less. Again, you perceive a monitor as being private since historically they were small. An old 13" tv was best for personal viewing - does that mean it was a monitor by your definition? Even standard livingroom 19-25" tvs were as big as people's computer monitors today. Were those monitors by your definition? They were small enough to be considered ideal for personal viewing. There are no "health differences" between a 24" LCD or a 85" LCD. Ergonomics, they matter in the livingroom also. Sitting static for 8-hours a day, in any job, you shouldn't be looking upward. Nothing to do with monitors, but when at a desk, below 50" with a standard desk height would keep a person's body in a more neutral position, but the bottom edge of the screen would be very close to desk-level. You must really hate portrait mode on smaller computer monitors.
Sorry, I do not put much value in Cyph's posts. He thinks a 1080p picture (2,1 million pixels) on a 4k display with pixel doubling should always look better than a scaled 1440p picture (3,7 million pixels) on a 4k display. I mean.. lol...
Then he criticises the non-square pixel of the Philips - but ignores the fact, that the Samsung has non-square pixels, too. It's exactly the same 40" panel.
Let us know what dvi/pc on input 2 looks like with instant on as off if you get the chance. Thank you!!
Thinking in this way you can hang 85" 4K TV on a wall and tell this is your monitor. But it is not, monitor is something which is at your private viewing distance. Reason also tells not to neglect potential health problems in particular for those who make living from staring in the monitor. When ergonomy recommends upper edge of the display not far from eye level there is research behind it.
Another point is that I consider monitor viewing scenario for people who make living from staring in the monitor, at least 8 hours per day but often much more, day after day, whole life.
Not for somebody...blah blah blah uninformed personal opinion and tripe being presented and masquerading as fact, yada yada....
I have links to the thread as well as data from written articles. He will ignore the evidence and argue with his made up beliefs. He also can't tell artifacts from cameras versus actual artifacts. I already know he will turn this thread into a flame war. I suggest everyone put this guy on ignore.
"Potential health problems", like so much of the uninformed nonsense in this thread, are individual and subjective.
Hmmm, maybe I'll swap my 48" for the 55", you are motivating me as I have no problems whatsoever in any way shape or form despite spending 6+ hours a day for a month now with the 48"...I must be a unicorn, I need to take advantage of it!
Hey that's me, I make a living each day off this very monitor...unicorn again! I must be 1:10000. Maybe I'll go to 60 inches...why not, we all have our gifts and apparently mine is a titanium neck and resistance to imagined physical weakneses.
All these talk of screens size is so stupid. Everyone have their own priority. It also depends a lot on your primary use for the monitor. I use a 40" at ~30" because I read a lot text and do a fair bit of work. Since I wear classes (which put a limit to me field of view), I really don't want to be turning my head all the time. If I'm mostly playing games and watching media. I'll probably opt for a 48"
Don't laugh or just wait till you get older. I get neck strain if my monitor is not position right. Every time I get a new monitor, it takes a few day to get the height and angle right, especially if there is a size change. It happens when I went from the 27" to the 32" at the office and it's happening now at home moving from a 27" to a 40". I'm changing the height of Samsung and my chair every day and it's not there yet. I neck get tired after an evening in front of the 40"
Don't mind him; I see the village idiot got out again. Same guy that uses hashtags (lol) and ignores everyone who doesn't agree with him. I tried having a friendly debate, proved him wrong, and he went psycho.
There is a reason why 99% of the people in this thread opted for the 40"-48"...anything larger is pushing it IMO, but may be manageable depending on your setup. So yeah, there might be someone here and there with the 55", but like 6FD said...for most people that's too large for a PC monitor and they'll be better served by the 40"-48".
SlippinJimmy, I can understand you wanting to go larger if it's going to serve double duty as a TV. How far away from it will you sit when using it as a monitor?
I'm using 100% scaling now on the 40".
Probably got vey comfortable with the TV because when I first used it 125% was the lowest I could go.
Of course you're not crazy. Don't listen to the limp-necks in this thread when it comes to size, these little ladies get alllllllll up in a tizzy just from the thought of anything above 40"...
I have the 48", and am now wondering if I should have gone larger. That's at a 30-inch view distance btw, and no my eyeballs haven't burned out, my back hasn't developed scoliosis, my neck isn't stretching like an African ring tribe initiation, and the overall adjustment/transition was fast.
It's shrinking by the day lately...is it larger than my old Dell 30"? I'm not sure anymore...by the end of the month I may believe it's smaller than the old Dell....
Go as big as is comfortable for you, and as others have said, get your chair/desk/eye height right and you won't even notice the height.
Drama Queen thread this has turned into. It must be the display sub-forum on [H]ardFroum! Never fails. Soap Opera mode in full effect.
I have the UN40JU6700 , 40" Curved 6700 model.
That's another issue, each time I try to select YcBcr444 in the nVidia control panel and click apply, the screen goes black for a few seconds, then it's back to the RGB setting. For some reason the YcBcr setting won't apply.
I was thinking about 3.5ft for 55" and 4ft for 65".
Mako360 said:If only NCX were here...would be even better.
All of my tests with the 40" have been with Smart TV features, such as Smart Hub, disabled. I turned instant on to off for today's test.
I've noticed situations where even my 48" starts to lag. It's pretty rare, but it can happen. Both displays were set to PC mode here (fresh boot on the 40", 48" was lagging) and they were pretty much equal.
But then I rebooted both of them and the gap went up to a 3 frame difference, even on DVI/PC mode.
I have no idea how or why the lag is so variable on these things. I am getting annoyed at the stock firmware though on PC mode because it keeps resetting the color temperature setting on the TV to standard every time the graphics driver crashes (from overclocking) but also even when going full-screen for games and such. Game mode/TV mode doesn't appear to do this, so I am going to test if there are any noticeable differences between game/TV mode chroma and PC mode chroma in game.
I think you just confirmed there's a bug in the firmware. They are equal when it's working that's the key. Firmware is in its infancy. Samsung will fix it. The important thing is, do you notice it when you play games? I don't and I can't wait to play 4K Witcher 3 on this baby.
The important thing is, do you notice it when you play games? I don't and I can't wait to play 4K Witcher 3 on this baby.
Couple questions here if don't mind from you experts.
I'm going to run down to Best Buy and pickup the JU6500 40" they have in stock. It's going to be replacing the Benq 3201 ( which I like a lot , I just want the bigger one for gaming).
Will be moving the Benq to the side for work uses.
Anyway could anyone give a quick rundown on settings to use if it's going to be hooked up only to my Titan X sli setup. As in after all of you have been playing around with the various inputs and color settings , what's the consensus to use for PC gaming use and tricks to get the best input lag and color ( not going to need any smart features and want the colors to pop I'm not worried about photo accuracy on this one)
Would be much appreciated as I have been researching today and chuckling at those upset over folks wanting to use this as a monitor , just hard to get a handle on which settings would be best for me.
It's odd how Nitemare is the only one (I think) who noticed the input lag increasing after a while.
I've had my fair share of gaming sessions lasting several hours on all 3 of the Samsungs that I purchased, and I haven't noticed input lag increasing on any of them. So either mine aren't doing it, or it's not enough to be noticeable, or I don't have a setting enabled that would be causing it. I'm at a loss, but if it were a widespread issue I would think that more people would be noticing it.
Interested in his comparison of Game/TV mode chroma to PC mode chroma in games on the stock firmware, though. I remember trying to use Game mode before they made it look so much better with firmware 1207, and to me it was not very visually pleasing...PC mode looked significantly better.
iirc, he said lag starts adding up when he changes inputs.
He didnt say it happens over time but wondered if it also did that.
This happens to me too. I think it may be because I have a secondary 30in screen hooked up as well. Are you using another screen other than the Samsung?
I have a second HDMI going to my receiver for audio so technically I'm running two monitors (extended mode) as far as windows is concerned.
Maybe that's why it won't stick. Have you tried disabling the secondary monitor to see if it fixes the issue? I'll give it a shot after work tonight.
It's been ridiculous since the start of the thread. Worried little babies trying to impart their "ergonomic" OPINION as fact, has plagued us from the beginning. It's hilarious.
Bottom line: Buy as big as possible, as bis as is comfortable. Displays shrink over time, badly.
Perfect, nice job. That's exactly what all should aspire to...why the hell would we buy displays that offer massive desktop working area only to then scale the DPI up again to the point where there's no net space gain over a 32"?
All should work towards 100%, even on the 40", to get the most value out of the increased resolution. Yes it looks small AT FIRST. But your brain will adjust quite nicely and soon enough you'll wonder why you needed 125% in the first place.
As with just about everything in this thread: Man up, push yourself, and be amazed at what you can do.
Couple questions here if don't mind from you experts.
I'm going to run down to Best Buy and pickup the JU6500 40" they have in stock. It's going to be replacing the Benq 3201 ( which I like a lot , I just want the bigger one for gaming).
Will be moving the Benq to the side for work uses.
Anyway could anyone give a quick rundown on settings to use if it's going to be hooked up only to my Titan X sli setup. As in after all of you have been playing around with the various inputs and color settings , what's the consensus to use for PC gaming use and tricks to get the best input lag and color ( not going to need any smart features and want the colors to pop I'm not worried about photo accuracy on this one)
Would be much appreciated as I have been researching today and chuckling at those upset over folks wanting to use this as a monitor , just hard to get a handle on which settings would be best for me.
It's odd how Nitemare is the only one (I think) who noticed the input lag increasing after a while.
I've had my fair share of gaming sessions lasting several hours on all 3 of the Samsungs that I purchased, and I haven't noticed input lag increasing on any of them. So either mine aren't doing it, or it's not enough to be noticeable, or I don't have a setting enabled that would be causing it. I'm at a loss, but if it were a widespread issue I would think that more people would be noticing it.
Interested in his comparison of Game/TV mode chroma to PC mode chroma in games on the stock firmware, though. I remember trying to use Game mode before they made it look so much better with firmware 1207, and to me it was not very visually pleasing...PC mode looked significantly better.
Not at all. SmartHub on/off, reboot tv on/off, whatever, it's all unnoticeable.
Have spent at least 50+ hours gaming with ALL of the various firmware revisions over the past month, in BOTH game mode and PC mode...and all are indistinguishable from one another in-game.
Tempest in a teapot, as usual.
I somehow got a Witcher 3 steam code mailed to me from Amazon this week, I guess it was for that temporary 980 GTX I "borrowed" from them before the Titan X arrived? Either way I'm with you, can't wait to play that game.
iirc, he said lag starts adding up when he changes inputs.
He didnt say it happens over time but wondered if it also did that.
Is the YouTube app working for anybody? I have the 47" 6700 model.
I don't know what to tell you. coolhand noticed it too once I kept talking about it. RTINGS also noticed it in their test which I requested. I only notice it when it gets worse because I am very used to using a fast responding display. It actually becomes HARDER for me to use my mouse on the desktop because of the 32~ ms increase in lag. It's EASY for me to spot.
Youtube works great for me. There are TONS more 4K videos since a month ago. Google is converting all of the MP4 4K videos to VP9 at a rapid pace.