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Cyph, thank you for the response. You mentioned I could possibly use an HDMI switch. Do you know if I could use any HDMI switch or would I need a particular HDMI 2.0 switch? I really just want to clone exactly what's on both Samsung TVs via one Titan X.
If you get surround, it will be compressed.
Only stereo can be full quality down SPDIF.
I use HDMI to a monitor/projector, another HDMI to my AV system and set my display to cloned.
Then set my default sound device as the HDMI AV system.
Simples.
FYI: AV Receiver adds input lag.
Edit: You should go HDMI -> TV -> ARC back to AV
I have my receiver's picture mode set to bypass and the hdmi set to through so it minimizes any processing. I don't notice a difference with the receiver first or tv first. I do notice a difference with the samsung in game mode with everything I can turn off, off vs my LG ultrawide monitor.
Also my PC is what I use 90% of the time. Other 10% is the Wii U. So I have it set to bitstream everything to the receiver. Also using pure audio mode on the receiver.
Can't wait to get my Titan X, 4:2:0 is so annoying to look at.
Can you test it without the AVR? I'm curious if 4K adds extra lag via your receiver. 20.7ms in game mode should be as fast as your old LG, and yet you mentioned that it felt slower.
For some reason my Titans only output 30Hz to my 6700 @ 2560x1440. I wonder why?
Would you not just connect an optical cable from the TV to your receiver? I haven't done this myself, but was getting ready to.
Please let us know.
So is it confirmed now that What we thought was 20 / 45 lag in Gaming / PC mode is now 50 / 70 ?
If I select 2560x1440 as well, it is also 30hz. I tried modifying the edid file but no luck. I'll try again with the Titan X and see if it helps. Worked fine @ 60hz @ 2560x1440 on my LG so it's definitely the tv's edid.
So is it confirmed now that What we thought was 20 / 45 lag in Gaming / PC mode is now 50 / 70 ?
Game mode in 4k feels the same now as 1080p (20.7ms per Leo Bodnar tester) , pc mode in 4k still feels about two frames behind at least.
We wont know for sure until Nitemare runs his tests with the photos. My guess is that game mode in 4k is now inline with 1080p in game mode for input lag.... which is awsome!!
I just want to add that this display really hits all the spots for me:
Incredible uniformity, no banding vertical or horizontal ( very rare for a display), even on grey screens there is no banding!!! It really has been an issue for me with other displays, this panel nails it!!
Excellent colors!
Low input lag
4K... 60hz , 4K is a real game changer for me, being graphics whor since when Neo Geo came out, just love how clear and crisp everything looks!
This is all in regards to the 48ju7500. I actually really look forward to playing games again... hasnt happened in a long time
Where are you getting this information? Leo Bodnar device tested the latest firmware at 20.7 and 33.6ms respectively.
People are reporting up to 2 frames more lag at 4k versus 1080p which is like another +32ms in lag? The Leo Bodnar test appears to only work in 1080p mode which is not real world results for 4k gaming. This is a big deal for me as well and awaiting results. I'm not buying a monitor with like 55ms lag in game mode and 75ms lag in PC mode on 4K. I can give 2 shits about lag on 1080p that's not what I'm buying this monitor for lol.
Game mode in 4k feels the same now as 1080p (20.7ms per Leo Bodnar tester) , pc mode in 4k still feels about two frames behind at least.
We wont know for sure until Nitemare runs his tests with the photos. My guess is that game mode in 4k is now inline with 1080p in game mode for input lag.... which is awsome!!
I just want to add that this display really hits all the spots for me:
Incredible uniformity, no banding vertical or horizontal ( very rare for a display), even on grey screens there is no banding!!! It really has been an issue for me with other displays, this panel nails it!!
Excellent colors!
Low input lag
4K... 60hz , 4K is a real game changer for me, being graphics whor since when Neo Geo came out, just love how clear and crisp everything looks!
This is all in regards to the 48ju7500. I actually really look forward to playing games again... hasnt happened in a long time
People are reporting up to 2 frames more lag at 4k versus 1080p which is like another +32ms in lag? The Leo Bodnar test appears to only work in 1080p mode which is not real world results for 4k gaming. This is a big deal for me as well and awaiting results. I'm not buying a monitor with like 55ms lag in game mode and 75ms lag in PC mode on 4K. I can give 2 shits about lag on 1080p that's not what I'm buying this monitor for lol.
Optical audio cable can't do DTS HD MA or TrueHD... Only DTS Core and Dolby Surround. That's audio for the plebs.
Yeah I'm confused.. Thought the below post was the latest numbers we have.
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041571746&postcount=2357
coolhandm3 : Are you saying 4k is inline with 1080p based on your post stating to change to YBR 4:4:4 in the Nvidia Control Panel? Wont this wash out the image and kill contrast since you're not using 0-255? So in game mode we'd be at 4:2:2 YBR ? That sounds tolerable but better suited for Xbox and TV watching versus PC gaming/desktop usage.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/directx/arc...rmant-silicon-and-making-it-work-for-you.aspx
GTX 980Ti/TitanX + GTX 670 + Integrated GPU = 4K 60 FPS constant in DX12? Don't let me down, Microsoft!
LOL! Plebs... I love it!
Is there a solution that does pass DTS HD MA and TrueHD?
I asked this question quite a while back, but I think it got overrun with all the firmware/lag/upgrade discussions.
Is anyone using PIP? I haven't checked with the newest firmware, but early on I was only seeing the option for TV/DirecTV as a source for the PIP window.
Thanks
You got it mixed up. The lag was introduced in firmware 1207/1209. Firmware 1210 seemingly has fixed that. YBCBR444 is equivalent to RGB full range without having the TV reset to HDMI auto each time it reboots or change source. YBCR444 is full range.
Edit: 4:2:2 is very, very close to 4:4:4. It's virtually indistinguishable now in-game. I've yet to see anyone mention noticing any difference between the two in-game.
Yeah I'm confused.. Thought the below post was the latest numbers we have.
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041571746&postcount=2357
coolhandm3 : Are you saying 4k is inline with 1080p based on your post stating to change to YBR 4:4:4 in the Nvidia Control Panel? Wont this wash out the image and kill contrast since you're not using 0-255? So in game mode we'd be at 4:2:2 YBR ? That sounds tolerable but better suited for Xbox and TV watching versus PC gaming/desktop usage.
Anyone worried about input lag, to the point where you are now ignoring over 100+ pages in this thread absolutely RAVING about how great these sets are, easily the best on the market at their price points by a wide wide margin, I have some simple advice for you:
Don't buy it. Just move along.
We're not going to chase input lag demons and irrational overblown fears you may have for months every time some noob comes in the thread and sayd "HURRR DURRR SO DIS DOES INPUT LAG BADS???".
The rest of us are gaming, at 4k, with no perceptible lag, at all, and loving it..
Can you do me a favor? Can you test regular mode with everything turned off except for AMP clear? I am willing to trade input lag for emulated 120hz at 4K with only half the GPU power required. Witcher 3 at 120hz/4K with only 1 980 TI/Titan X sounds pretty awesome considering input lag won't matter much on that game.
Looking at 127ms....
Looking at 127ms....
Thanks. Bummer. Hopefully if Samsung reads this, fix it!
And again you guys fill the thread with a big shocking number, which the noobs will be attracted to like flies to shit while ignoring the actual numbers in Game/PC mode, and will now ask 100x questions and quote in disputing the 20ms/37ms numbers...because "I thought I saw someone said this panel lags at 127ms...and that Samsung needed to fix it"...
Just TRY the mode for yourself Cyph, you don't need an actual number. Play it. If normal feels good, nice. If it doesn't, don't use it.
50+ more posts will be generated from just that "127" figure now lol.
And again you guys fill the thread with a big shocking number, which the noobs will be attracted to like flies to shit while ignoring the actual numbers in Game/PC mode, and will now ask 100x questions and quote in disputing the 20ms/37ms numbers...because "I thought I saw someone said this panel lags at 127ms...and that Samsung needed to fix it"...
Just TRY the mode for yourself Cyph, you don't need an actual number. Play it. If normal feels good, nice. If it doesn't, don't use it.
50+ more posts will be generated from just that "127" figure now lol.
I do notice the lag by switching it back and forth between game mode and off. If I need 120hz mode, it's definitely usable since I'm not an FPS competitive player.
Although, with game mode, I didn't notice any ghosting at all when I played my PS4 games. Motion looks great. I guess Starcraft was the only one it manifested in, and with the 7100, it's very minor. All in all, I'm pretty happy with this one. Money well spent!
The only thing that's going to get me to upgrade wil be the eventual OLED or Quantum Dot 144Hz monitor in 5-10 years.
You’re kind of preaching to the choir bud. 95% of the people in this thread are probably coming from 27”+ IPS monitors who are used to more laggy monitors due to the nature of IPS. Not the “pro gamers” who won’t touch a monitor that isn’t a TN, 1MS, and 144mhz with a 10 foot poll sacrificing resolution, monitor size, color accuracy, and vibrancy for that 1 extra frame of speed. No offense, but I’m getting kind of tired of hearing from random people on the internet that the monitor “feels good,” and “don’t be a noob and try it for yourself.” I’d trust a subject matter expert such as Tft Central who’s been reviewing monitors for probably over a decade versus you. He explicitly says anything more than 32ms is not suitable for high end gaming. I’m not dropping $950~$1400 on a monitor that may potentially have more than 32ms of lag on 4k resolution. Myself and dozens of other people on this thread are patiently waiting on good solid #’s and results before splurging on what may be the best monitor of all time. The last firmware potentially pushed the lag to 55ms on game mode and 75ms on PC mode on 4K (not 1080p) which was the sole factor for me not buying it. Awaiting results on the new firmware which some people have said has fixed the lag.
I think you're still missing what this is. It's a TV first, a "surprisingly" good PC monitor second.
TV's lag more than PC monitors. You're hoping for something that is not in this thread.
Handy Info: After the post that talked about how the tech warned that running the backlight at the max (20) setting would shorten the panel's life, I did some watt measurements.
At a 20 setting the panel was drawing roughly 30% more watts total out of the wall versus a 15 setting (roughly 170w versus 134w), and the panel's heat (infrared measure) increased by 15% as well when set to 20 versus 15.
I'm backing mine down, 15 is a nice balance. Everything else is staying the same (100/50/50) on the rest of the settings.
Overclocking my CPU is supposed to shorten it's life too. None have failed yet. The chance of it failing prematurely is lower than the chance you upgrade your CPU/GPU/display before it dies. Heck, I want my plasma to die so the wife will let me buy a new 4k OLED. It's still alive and well running at 20 backlight since the day I bought it.
The problem is that people don't want to compromise; they want big, cheap, no PWM, 4k, low input lag, IPS viewing angle, VA contrast, no blooming, great uniformity, etc. Let them keep looking for that unicorn. Maybe if they wait long enough, there will be one out there in a few years. In the meantime, I will be playing the Witcher 3 in 4K with a panel that has near-IPS color, no blooming, great uiformity, awesome contrast, and low input lag.