ComputerBox34
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They have to license their patents.
Samsung sues companies as well, including Apple.
https://play.google.com/store/devic...XZpY2VzX1VTX18xX3Byb21vXzEzNDA1MTg5NjUwMzYiXQ..
GNex has been removed from Google Play
I hope Lucy Koh Realizes she has made a fool of herself in front of the world Tech community. I really feel like writing a letter to her.
http://9to5mac.com/2012/07/03/samsungs-request-for-lift-on-galaxy-nexus-phone-injunction-rejected/
Fucking brainwashed iSheep, in the comments section.
Watch someone hack the shit out of everything she owns lol. Seriously, she is so full of shit and I kind of agree with what someone said on another forum, this will more than likely be a temporary patch, and when it's all fixed so it can be sold, both Samsung and Google would probably give her and Apple a huge backlash to this kind of shit.
I will ask though, why the hell hasn't the US Patent Office been sued yet over this kind of shit (vague bullshit patents given to companies known to be patent trolls)?
I do have to ask, how can they sue something that is based on open source? Has MS sued Oracle yet for OpenOffice (if there has been one, sorry for not knowing)?
Are you a patent lawyer? I think this shit is dumb, but what I have read from people who actually know this stuff the judge is just following the law. And I'd be surprised if she wasn't .. If anything I blame the stupid software patents, not the judges that uphold the laws as they are required to do.
https://play.google.com/store/devic...XZpY2VzX1VTX18xX3Byb21vXzEzNDA1MTg5NjUwMzYiXQ..
GNex has been removed from Google Play
Anybody remember Demolition Man (stallone and snipes action movie)? This mess reminds me of how in that movie the only restaurant was Taco Bell because it was the only one that survived the restaurant wars. If this shit keeps up (patent trolling) we might be headed that way. Takes just one judge to make one stupid ruling to open the door...
Just remember that those patents are ones Apple developed internally. and that it's using non-standards patents for every single lawsuit.
Those are based almost entirely around standards-based patents, where you're supposed to offer a reasonable rate and use a lawsuit only as a last resort. Clearly, the countersuits weren't the last-resort
they were used as knee-jerk reactions by companies that didn't have many unique inventions to their name and which, mysteriously, had no problems forgetting to offer a license to Apple for years.
You don't have to like what Apple's doing, but if you want to be consistent, you should also be demanding that Motorola (i.e. Google) and Samsung immediately drop their countersuits, since they're almost exclusively based on patents where it's mandatory, not just nice, to offer a fair royalty rate before suing. I would almost be as annoyed at them as at Apple -- there's a very real chance that they're going to lose it all should a government body step in and force them to drop their lawsuits. Remember, HTC, Motorola and Samsung are big corporations in it for the money. They aren't charities or communes.
Not really. A good chunk of the patents thrown around these days are 30 year old ideas with "on mobile" slapped on the end of them.
This is true, and the single most vexing thing about the mobile patents at the moment...
Not really. A good chunk of the patents thrown around these days are 30 year old ideas with "on mobile" slapped on the end of them.
Uh, no, that's exactly what they are doing with them - using them as a "last-resort". A counter-suit is a *defense*. Using patents for defensive purposes I'm fine with, at least until software patents are eliminated entirely.
They had no problem licensing them to Apple when Apple wasn't suing them. Not a mystery at all.
Also, a chunk of those patents involved actually inventing stuff - which Apple's don't
Why the fuck would we demand companies roll over and take it from Apple? That's the dumbest shit I've heard all week. If they were using FRAND patents *offensively*, then yes, we should get pissed at them. But they aren't.
Really? Including things like the bounce-back scrolling feedback that only appeared in the first iPhone and was only really intended for a handheld touchscreen device?
The point was that they are non-standards patents. You don't need them to create a smartphone or a tablet, even if they would be really helpful. Technically, you can't make a viable 3G smartphone or WiFi device without licensing a whole bunch of patents from a slew of companies. It's those last kinds of patents that Motorola and Samsung are using. Apple is only using non-standards patents and has publicly sworn off ever using a standards patent for a lawsuit. Not really that heroic, but the stand has been taken.
That's what your gut tells you, but that doesn't make it any more legal. The requirements are that you must, absolutely must, offer a fair license before filing a lawsuit.
Here's the thing: even if they were licensing (they at least sometimes weren't), that still violates rules and corporate ethics. You can't have an existing, fairly negotiated license and suddenly decide to sue under the guise that a fair rate is actually much higher than it was just a couple of years ago -- you're breaking your licensing terms and could be accused of extortion.
Apple genuinely invented much of that technology, or brought it in through acquisitions (FingerWorks, for example, partly influenced Apple's multi-touch technology). Do you have examples of prior art?
To abuse another analogy: imagine if you're being mugged in a dark alley and someone steps in to save you... but he's foolhardy, and gets himself shot to death before you've even had a chance to run. Not only are you still going to be robbed, but there's a dead body now, too.
Less ambitious, non-FRAND countersuits might not deal as much of a theoretical blow, but they're much more likely to get a favourable verdict with minimal risk of an overturned decision. That's why I think Android fans should be angry with Motorola and Samsung. The two have actively drawn government scrutiny and could damage Android, not save it, in their rush to land as big a blow on Apple as possible without thinking about the possible risks. Many people will champion a high-rolling gambler on a winning streak until he loses everything -- it takes a smart person to urge safer bets.