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I heard that China is actively buying out 4090s then taking them apart to use for AI in data centers! It's pretty insane. How do consumers compete with an entire country?I know this thread is about upgrading to a 5090 but my question is... where the hell are the 4090s? There's zero stock out there unless you're willing to pay scalper prices.
I don't like Nvidia's greed. But currently there is nobody making high end graphics cards to compete.
I also think the idea of complete replacement every 3 years is interesting....
4K has been max dollar video card or cards, since the monitors came out. That is why it's such a tiny % of the market. Not only that but you have to have a pretty big monitor and sit close to it, to even notice the difference from say a 1440p monitor. I ran 1080p for a long time before I finally upgraded my monitor to 1440p as the cards finally had the power to run it well without needing to be the top video card.
Deciding to upgrade will vary depending on the user's own needs at the time.
AMD share holders viewed PC enthusiast market as a dead end or dying slowly anyway. Therefore won't be any need to complete in this space, their desktop cards are just beta test devices for consoles, handheld, and other gaming platforms where real profit is to be made, not PC.
I literally already said that…
If AMD competed with NVIDIA in the enthusiast tier then they would be pricing those cards close to what NVIDIA is charging. I know people like to say "NVIDIA bad," but you need to accept the reality of materials cost, especially when it comes to the silicon.
Material cost is not that much higher, thus why profits have surged. Auto industry profits have surged for the same reasons, they are charging way more and making much higher profits.
don't forget the psu.
Good call.don't forget the psu.
4/3nm wafers from TSMC are 50% more expensive than 5nm. 4/3nm wafers are 100% more expensive than the Samsung 8nm node used in Ampere. TSMC 2nm is expected to be 33% more expensive than 4/3nm.
Yep, and it's not like r&d is getting any cheaper either.
All these things are true. Everything has gone up, including margins. The price we are paying reflects an element of both increasing costs and increasing profit.
Given the trend in transistor pricing, margins need to go up in anticipation of future costs going up.
As someone who games on both, I have to ask, where are you seeing improvment?
CAD software suite would be a common case:
I was referring tohis comment about the consoles being such an improvement. Not RTX vs Quadro
make more sense that way (the gaming on both)
Well, typically when there's a rumor a Radeon card will have higher than expected performance, it's usually false. Rumors of lower than expected performance are typically true. Then there's the very real fact AMD has stated it's pursuing mainstream and not flagship performance GPU's for the foreseeable future.
Tell you what. If they create a 5090 equivalent, i'll buy you that card. If they don't, you buy me a 5090. Lets see if your faith in AMD is as real as you suggest or just BS.
Maybe I do not follow, but you quoted someone that just predicted that 2024 top end AMD will not go over the 5080 performance, did not sound confident they will have a 5090 equivalent.
So you’re saying the same thing as everyone else yet you’re quoting everyone saying it’s just rumor and “when did AMD say this” as if to cast doubt. Makes a lot of sense.
You’re right they didn’t say it. Thet just cancelled their high end skew. while you’re waiting, wait for their releases and I’ll be back to say I told you so
Their margins are inflated from their professional product stack, not gaming.