Dangman
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Could be that you don't have enough airflow inside your case. What kind of case do you have? How many and what type of fans are in it?
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My E6600 running at stock speed idles at 53 C. I'm using a Zalman 9500 with normal fan speed. Why so hot? Installing the heatsink seemed straightforward. If I overclock to 3.0 Ghz it idles at 63 C.
My E6600 running at stock speed idles at 53 C. I'm using a Zalman 9500 with normal fan speed. Why so hot? Installing the heatsink seemed straightforward. If I overclock to 3.0 Ghz it idles at 63 C.
I just got a Q6600 yesterday and it idles at 55-60C at stock speeds. I reinstalled the heatsink and applied thermal paste, no improvement really. Case is currently open. In the BIOS it typically shows it at 45-50C, which is still pretty high, but by the time I'm in windows both TAT and Coretemp say otherwise.
Also I only have this Q6600 for testing on the DS3. My E4300 refuses to get past a 390-ish FSB wall no matter how it's set up, I don't really care since 333 is fast enough and I only got the Q6600 temporarily because I wanted to know that the motherboard was capable of higher FSB speeds.
You think a malfunction is occuring? All I do is make all the settings for BASELINE and the alert sounds. CPU temps are very cool. In my first few attempts to overclocking, it would sound in a short beep but now since I added the second HDD drive maybe, it sounds continuously...
not sure what to do..
man i'm confused. I was using this config for 1 week and suddenly it won't get through bios with it.
DS3 rev 3.3 f11 bios
E6600 @ 9x multiplier 350mhz
OCZ platinum r2 pc2-6400 2GB running 4-4-4-15 @ 875mhz (2.50 multi)
evga Geforce 8800 GTS superclocked
Basically I was running everything on those settings and it was working fine, temps never rose above 55deg on the stress tests and memtest checked out everything correct. But suddenly after this crash in titan's quest I can't get through the bios loadup. Basically it goes to Memory Testing OK, and then resets and switches everything back
Here are the settings I had set that were working ad suddenly stopped
CPU Clock Ratio (Note)____________ [X9] <<<----CPU Multiplier
CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [350] <<<----FSB Speed (Front Side Buss)
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [102]
C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.50]
Memory Frequency (Mhz) 875
DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]
CAS Latency Time_____________ [4]
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay______ [4]
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_____[4]
Precharge Delay (tRAS)________[15]
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_______4 _____[auto]
Rank Write to READ Delay______3 _____[auto]
Write to Precharge Delay______6 _____[auto]
Refresh to ACT Delay________42 ______[0]<-- defaults as this for some reason
Read to Precharge Delay_______4 _____[auto]
Memory Performance Enhance__________ [Normal]
High Speed DRAM DLL Settings________ [Option 1]
System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V]
PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V]
FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V]
CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.38125V]
Any advice and help would be appreciated =) thanks. It's just wierd how it was working fine before and suddenly no more
Also Strangely the baseline Settings no longer work either....this seems to happen purely when I set the clock speed manually.
I have just built the following system
Gigabyte 965P-ds3 ver 3.3 cmos F10
E6420 CPU L465G522
G Skill 1Gb DDR2 PC2-6400 (4-4-4-12) dual kit
Antec Truepower Trio 430w power supply
Noctua NC-U6 for the Northbridge
Noctua NH-U12F for cpu
Cooler Master case with 2 120mm fans
Sata 320Gb Seagate drive
Running an old PCI video board whilst my 7800GT comes.
I have it running at 3.12Ghz
Cpu volts 1.4v
Multilier X 8
Divider 2
Bus Speed 390
Memory voltage 2.1V (4-4-4-12)
DDR2 O/v 0.3V
PCI-e/fsb/mch O/V 0.1V
I has now run orthos for 2 hours and still going.
Temps idle 19/20
Load (orthos) 37/39
I would like to go a bit faster and I have tried 400fsb but it crashes in orthos within a few minutes.
I would be very appreciative if any one could point me in the correct direction.
Thanks to Bill for the information that got me this far. I am brand new to over clocking so bear with me.
Cheers
Clive
Memory voltage 2.1V (4-4-4-12)
are you using the gigabyte easytune utiliy ? it has setting for rmp trip points for low fan speed maybe they need to be lowered to prevent fan alarm.
according to the troubleshooting guide in the manual a continous long beep is a dram error. Clear the cmos and load factory defaults and see if if goes away.
Those are very tight memory timings is all I can see, btw when I pasted the "advanced" memory timings into the post I accidently forgot I had used memset to tweak the advanced memory timinging so the default [0] for Refresh to ACT Delay is correct (the board calculates it from other values) and you might see other values for the other settings,
I would back off to 5 5 5 15 and see if stability returns, then you can go back and attempt to tweak. I have no idea when or if I will be able to do a section on advanced memory tweaking, its very complicated and frankly not worth the effort in these sytems other than for personal satisfaction/fun.
just for fun have you tried 8 x 400 for 3.2 with divider set 2:1 and memory at 5 5 5 15 I am a real advocate of running the memory at 2:1 to prevent wait states etc. dont like the odd mem multis.
Be sure to do this first http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1193054
You suspicions are correct. something is wrong as that is way too hot. As there could be a zillion things I can only suggest remounting the heatsink taking extra care to make sure it does not hit anything on the board and sits flat and secure on the cpu. Triple check everything as you are putting it back on. Notice everything, are all the mounting screws taking the same amount of pressure to tighten ? Is one harder to turn than the other, etc etc. Sorry, it could be just about anything but something is for sure not quite right.
You did not mention your Vcore, if it is turned up, reduce it to the minimum needed to sustain your OC, if you determine the HS is correctly fastened, and you still require a very high Vcore resulting in those high idle temps, I recommend you back off your overclock and reduce Vcore to improve reliability and component life. Max Vcore is 1.55 V, I dont recommend going over 1.45 and personally I dont go over 1.4. Buts its your stuff, do what you want . Anyway, thats the only other thing besides a HS mounting problem that I can think of to account for such high temps unless the case has no airflow at all.
I've installed the EAsyTune 5 utility. Seems good so far. Two things I've discovered thus far:
1. Under the Hardware Monitor section of the utility, there's one alert triangle showing up in the Fan Section for the CPU. I though ckicking on it would tell me something. It doesnt. So, I'm not sure what that means. According to the CoreTemp app, temps are 32C.
-KAreem
Yah I get that too, probably just because the program sucks.
cool, thanks for the advice will try. Currently It's at stock settings at timings at 4-4-4-15. That's what the mfr specified for the memory on the box so that's what I was using. I just found it weird how I was getting very stable results for a week and suddenly it all went poof and baseline doesn't even work with those timings, even though it's the same clock speed as I have now with the clock speed set on auto. But yeah, will try
the ocing was really simple till I got to the memory section, then my head exploded lol.
Could anyone explain to me what in the hell is going on? The BIOS FSB is 400 and the multiplier is 8, yet every piece of software has a different opinion.
no worries, you were doing good, however something "went south" on you and I am not quite sure what. So in looking over your setup the tight memory coupled with a decent overclock was my only suspect. The idea is to get you stable again with a decent OC then you can go back and try tightening up the memory timings a little, perhaps reducing your FSB/overclock a little to be able to run the 4 4 4 15. Anywho gotta get you stable again and then you can play and see what works better max FSB + loose timings or little lower FSB + tight timings.
Thanks for the advice again. i went today to try to change the timings so I could OC, but I decided to try my old settings just to see if it would work and voila... works just fine. Do you think it's possible my Memory was just overheating? for now i've toned down the FSB to 333mhz and i'm gonna see how good that does. After all I wasn't seeing any real gains in my gaming when I was overclocking my E6600 to 3.15GHz which was very sad for me. I think that I should have bought a 640MB 8800 GTS because I think the 320MB memory on that might be causing me some framerate issues at 1920x1080 resolution =/
hmm could be a heat related issue, before I trusted my current setup I would in the middle of a gaming session (having taken off the side panel before starting) just take the trusty "finger" probe and touch the side of my waterblock, northbridge HS, southbridge heatsink, and the middle of the heatspreader of each ram stick. Might try that, if the ram is toasty hot there are some fans you can get that attach to the latching mechanism to give them a big shot of moving air.
But as you found out (me too) that once you get over 3 GHz you dont see much difference in games with a few hundered MHz in more cpu speed. My board will run at 7 x 482 stable but I backed off to 7 x 475 for day to day use, rock stable, cooler by a bit, and I really could not tell a difference in games (I use ATI Tray tools so I get a constant FPS readout in the upper corner when gaming).
Yes at that those high resolutions the extra video memory would have been good, you are running at resolutions where it would make a difference. I envy your monitor, I am stuck at 1280x1024 on a crt, the memory would probally not make a difference to me. There is mention of how memory affects performance at the end of the ASUS video card review on the main [H] site. Might be of interest if you havent seen it.
It looks like you have the MB under control, now take a look at tweaking the cooling and clocks on that video card Moderation is the key but might have a little room for improvements that you will be able to feel in games.
Hi Bill,
Can you give me some advise what I need to do to be able to overclock 400x8 for a 3200mhz overclock on a E4300. Iam currently running: I tried running 400x8, I can get into windows no problem at 1.3750 after running orthos 2-5 mins computer will jsut freeze. i tried raising voltage 1.3750 incrementing all the way to 1.45 still freezing. I dnt think it has anything to do with my ram since its only running 2:1 for an 800mhz speed compared to my current oc of 904mhz. Any advise would be appreciated. Thanks
DS3 rev 3.3 f10 bios
E4300 @ 9x multiplier 340mhz
Gskill CL4D2GBHK 4-4-3-5 pc2-6400 2GB running 4-4-4-12 @ 904mhz (2.66 multi)
OCZ gamextream 600W
evga Geforce 7950 GT 512mb
Scythe ninja rev5 -> full load temps are 52 degrees on my current oc
Thanks for the quick reply Bill. I tried 350 x 9 = 3150mhz @ 1.38750 vcore in bios. stable for far in orthos 10 mins at least I got pass the 2-5 min computer freeze. Which vcore should i follow the one in windows or the one in bios? If i use the gigabyte software vcore is reading 1.375 at bios its 1.38750. I know i shouldnt go past 1.4 vcore. Do I follow windows readings or bios readings?
400x8 i can boot into windows, 400 x7 I cant post at all. Do you think this is chipset related? I read somewhere on the other forums that the chipset speed formula is something like default multiplier / current multiplier x current FSB. 9/8 x 400 = 450 mhz 9/7 x 400 = 514mhz.
Atm I do not have any chipset cooler. Im thinking of getting this chipset cooler
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/t259026.html
Use the bios settings, well absolute max vcore is 1.55V so if you have to go a bit over 1.4 you are still OK if the temps hold in safe zones. Its your call.
Ok, you are almost there, I recommend you take a break, back it down a bit and enjoy the machine until you do whatever you are going to do to the MCH/NB. Acutally if you just hot melt glue (or super glue, or silicon adhesive, elmers has even been reported to work) a 40mm fan to the top of the MCH/NB you will probally sail right into a 400FSB. However if you have the time and dont mind the effort, properly reinstalling the exising cooler with AS5 and #4-40 nylon scews washers and nuts or putting on the aftermarket one (it must have a fan, the NB just gets too darn hot for a passive HS) I think will do the trick. If you have a spare fan around and want to test, just lay it in the case so its blowing directly on the NB cooler, usually worth another 20MHz of FSB. People have hung them from the case crossbar with tye wraps even, anything to get direct air on that heatsink. However spending a Sat morning pulling the board and doing it right will really pay off. Even if you dont make as high as you would like, the life of the board and general stability will be greatly improved.
oh oh dont like that cooler, thermal pads = bad. You are better off reusing the existing HS + a fan if you pull it off and get some decent thermal compound applied between the chip and the heatsink. Mine was a little solidified lump when I took the heatsink off. yuck.
I stole a 40mm fan from a HD cooler and just shoved it between the fins on mine after I reworked the hardware on the DQ6 heatpipe/sink but the DS3 is different, easier actually.
http://mysite.verizon.net/ressdxka/id3.html
I really think that replacing the shoddy existing thermal compound and using decent hardware (improves clamping force between the HS and the chip, i.e. you can tighten it down a little more than those cheesy pushpins) and slap a fan on top and you are golden.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1185069&highlight=DS3+NB+Fan