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On early pictures they use 3M but on the last version it looks like LiHeat riser cable.
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That case is very similar to the DAN A4-SFX.
No Problem because it has very nice Tweaks like the Top Hat Cooler possibilities and a bigger CPU Heatsink.
How about make the case a little bit bigger to support 2,5 or 3 Slot GPUs.
This would be awesome.
The second thing: A Single USB Front Port would be nice.
A small but potentially important question.
The updated design is allowing us to pack the components efficiently and reduce the package volume significantly, think IKEA-style and flat packaging. Shipping the case assembled will put us in a “dimension weight” bracket, where the volume dictates the freight cost instead of weight.
Shipping the case in a flat package is a possibility that we would like to get your input on. The benefits are a 30% reduction in transport cost with slight region variations. The drawback is that you’ll need to do some of the assembly work yourselves, specifically the 6 screws that hold the “Spine” together, the two riser screws and the 4 power button PCB screws.
It's a shame that the the L12S is 70mm. Just as a thought experiment, what would the total volume of the case be if it was extended 4mm to accommodate the new cooler? I don't think it'd be so much extending it to accommodate the "next cooler" as ensuring future compatibility with all sorts of low-profile top-down coolers. I don't imagine Noctua will ever make it wider. They only extended it to support standard RAM (with no heatsinks) with the new slim 120mm fan mounted to the bottom, which makes a notable difference in temperatures and noise. Considering the L12 was the reason for extending the side panel in the first place as it delivers much better performance than the L9x65, I think it's worth extending the case a bit more to accommodate the new version. The L12 is being discontinued, so in my view the case should either be shortened to the level of the PSU for Li9 support or widened to accommodate the L12S, but the current status quo seems a bit pointless now. Here are a few more advantages that will come with extending the case:
- You'll be able to fit a 140mm fan under the PSU
- You'll be able to fit a 280mm radiator with a top hat
- L12S will make X99/X299 builds feasible as it is rated for 140W. You'll be looking at much better temperatures and a lot less noise compared to the T318/R15+A9x14
- You will have room for a headphone/mic jack in the front I/O. This is an important feature for some. For instance, my motherboard has an integrated headphone amp that only works with the front audio
- You may be able to fit a 2.5" drive between the PSU and graphics card, tho I realize that will require reworking the PSU mounting mechanism and that area will get seriously hot, but with a bottom 140mm fan you should be able to keep it cool. That will enable having dual 2.5" drives + a bottom 140mm fan.
Seems like a decent list of benefits for extending the case a few mm. Perhaps run a poll? Just my thoughts.
I think it's a little late to be making a change like that. They're in production of the demo cases for reviewers and I'd think they'd prefer the case going to reviewers be the same case that goes to the public. Also there is basically no front I/O anymore, besides the power button, so adding audio jacks to the front would look a bit out of place. Maybe they'll take your points into consideration when designing the next iteration of the case.
Also I've made this point before, but they can't keep adapting the case to fit the current "best" cpu cooler. The L12S is 70mm now which is a shame, but using a "worse" cooler isn't going to be THAT much worse. And say they did adapt the Ghost to fit the 70mm cooler, what if next year Noctua revises it again and it's 72mm? Do they extend the case again? I think if you're trying to get the absolute BEST temps possible out of this case, go with a water cooler. That's the whole point of the L Top Hat isn't it?
It's a never ending cycle to increase the width. It was already increased to 66mm to accommodate the L12; they can't just continually increase the width every time Noctua comes out with something new.
It's a shame that the the L12S is 70mm. Just as a thought experiment, what would the total volume of the case be if it was extended 4mm to accommodate the new cooler? I don't think it'd be so much extending it to accommodate the "next cooler" as ensuring future compatibility with all sorts of low-profile top-down coolers. I don't imagine Noctua will ever make it wider. They only extended it to support standard RAM (I think Corsair Vengeance LPX fits) with the new slim 120mm fan mounted to the bottom, which makes a notable difference in temperatures and noise. Considering the L12 was the reason for extending the side panel in the first place as it delivers much better performance than the L9x65, I think it's worth extending the case a bit more to accommodate the new version. The L12 is being discontinued, so in my view the case should either be shortened to the level of the PSU for Li9 support or widened to accommodate the L12S, but the current status quo seems a bit pointless now. Here are a few more advantages that will come with extending the case:
- You'll be able to fit a 140mm fan under the PSU
- You'll be able to fit a 280mm radiator with a top hat
- L12S will make X99/X299 builds feasible as it is rated for 140W. You'll be looking at much better temperatures and a lot less noise compared to the T318/R15+A9x14
- You will have room for a headphone/mic jack in the front I/O. This is an important feature for some. For instance, my motherboard has an integrated headphone amp that only works with the front audio
- You may be able to fit a 2.5" drive between the PSU and graphics card, tho I realize that will require reworking the PSU mounting mechanism and that area will get seriously hot, but with a bottom 140mm fan you should be able to keep it cool. That will enable having dual 2.5" drives + a bottom 140mm fan. Alternatively, you'd have space for stashing excess cabling behind the PSU.
Seems like a decent list of benefits for extending the case a few mm. Perhaps run a poll? Just my thoughts.
It may be too late to make these changes, but if you could really fit a 280mm rad with just a 4mm increase in width then that seems like it would be worth it. Would that actually be possible? I feel like they'd have to extend it to about 6-8 mm.
Honestly, the appeal of this case to me over the NCase M1 is the vertical mount to the GPU and the radiator at the top of the case (more logical layout IMO). The SG13 is my current case, and while it's certainly a great budget case, it lacks good radiator support (I currently use an H60).
In theory the case would need to be increased 6 mm in width in order to fit a 280 mm rad. However, there are two dimensions that need to be considered when discussing this, both the width and the length. As you can see on the homepage (now updated by the way, but we are still working on it) the TopHats are narrower in the front and in the back, the radiator would need to fit between those narrower areas. The distance between these corner bulges is 284.0 mm, leaving only 4 mm of wiggle room front to back and many AIOs are actually longer than 280 mm. With a 240 radiator, the fact that you can freely slide the radiator back and forth, adjust it to your specific pipe stiffness' and lengths is crucial to make the installation easy (maybe even possible). In a custom loop scenario this flexibility might not be needed but the majority will likely not do custom loops.
Does this make sense? The point is that it would require a significant amount of testing with different makes of rads on new prototypes in order to comfortably be able to offer this. We simply do not have the time nor resources to do that now. An increase in width could also be used to fit 2.5-slot GPUs which could be argued is a better allocation of space.
Needless to say, anyone considering this case in the air cooling config should buy an L12 immediately while they're still available.
Thanks for your elaboration. When you say there would be 284mm of available space, you mean just for the radiator, not for the reservoir/fittings portion, correct? The Kraken X62 is listed as 315mm long, but that's total length, which I'm guessing the S1 would be able to accommodate.
I agree with your points, but I frankly think it will be a matter of figuring out which 480mm radiators work best as far as tube thickness/length and then everyone would just get that. You'd have flexibility for 240mm ones, but for 280mm ones there would be preferred options due to the more limited space. To me, difficulty with mounting is not really an issue, because you only have to do it once. You don't need to remove the radiator to do anything else in the case, so I don't image people will mess with it much once installed.
But I understand that 280mm support would be tricky and require lots of testing. I think our discussion at this point is about a future revision of the case.
Dual 120 AIO experimentation pleaseWe have som free time next week and would love to use it for something interesting! We have a small budget for this and would love you input here, what would you like to see? Maybe some more tests on the Alpha prototype, CPU heat sink comparison, GPU compatibility, dual 120 AIO experimentation, sounds of parts of dropping etc... please give us some suggestions what you would like to see!
As the noctua 12l will soon stop to be available it would be nice to test the case with another top level cpu cooler able to fit
We have som free time next week and would love to use it for something interesting! We have a small budget for this and would love you input here, what would you like to see? Maybe some more tests on the Alpha prototype, CPU heat sink comparison, GPU compatibility, dual 120 AIO experimentation, sounds of parts of dropping etc... please give us some suggestions what you would like to see!
Then i vote on Thermalright AXP-100RH to compare.
http://thermalright.com/product/axp-100rh/
or
Be Quiet Shadow Rock LP + Noctua NF-A12x15 PVM Fan.
OK, we will very likely do this CPU cooler testing. It does not mean we won't do the dual 120 experiments.
Be Quiet is fine, Thermalright is tough to find in Sweden. Right now we have the following cooler included in the test:
- Noctua NH-L9i
- Noctua NH-L9i + Noctua NF-B9 redux-1600 92mm
- Noctua NH-L9x65
- Noctua NH-L12
- ZALMAN - CNPS8900 Quiet
- Be Quiet Shadow Rock LP + Noctua NF-A12x15 PVM
Any other cooler we should add to the line-up?
OK, we will very likely do this CPU cooler testing. It does not mean we won't do the dual 120 experiments.
Be Quiet is fine, Thermalright is tough to find in Sweden. Right now we have the following cooler included in the test:
- Noctua NH-L9i
- Noctua NH-L9i + Noctua NF-B9 redux-1600 92mm
- Noctua NH-L9x65
- Noctua NH-L12
- ZALMAN - CNPS8900 Quiet
- Be Quiet Shadow Rock LP + Noctua NF-A12x15 PVM
Any other cooler we should add to the line-up?
Thermalright is tough to find in Sweden.
I just ordered an NH-L12 (and a free NM-AM4 mounting kit directly from Noctua). Better safe than sorry.
Thermalright AXP-100H Muscle is available in Sweden (well, technically Denmark), albeit expensive and it'd probably take a week or so before you'd get it:
https://www.proshop.se/CPU-flaektar/Thermalright-AXP-100H-Muscle-CPU-flaektar-Luftkylare-/2589589