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EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Cores Classified Ultra
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cannondale06
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maybe but you need to give a lot more info. you need to always list the rest of your specs including power supply and resolution you want to play at when asking for video card advice.
Where have you seen them at 230?
Building a new system so far all I have is the mobo (Asus Sabertooth Z77) and ram(CORSAIR XMS3 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600) waiting on Ivy Bridge..sorry cant give more specs
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do you have the monitor yet and if so what is the native resolution? unless you get a killer deal on these cards then I would go with a gtx680 since its cheaper and a way better overall choice.
Actually no shopping around for monitor as well... Do you have one you can recommend, I want to do 3 and looking for 21" or 20" due to space....
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they have been $230 before...or was $240? I forgot but it was somewhere around there...$30 mail in rebate
IMO, I would say go for it...thats provided that your system can handle it...make sure your PSU is at least 750w and something liek an 80+ Silver efficiency....that will give you headroom for overclocking dual 448 cores
Yes, the 680 route certainly is tempting...a very fast single GPU card, lower power consumption, lower heat...and not having to worry about SLI compatibility...but good luck trying to find any 680's in stock anywhere any time soon...
Newegg. A couple times. But for some reason last couple of weeks all 448's and 570s went up in price and no smoking deals.
Best I ever saw was 448 FTW which is clocked at 797Mhz going for $191 AR.
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yup, I remember that 448 FTW at amazon for $191...I would have jumped on it so fast! Too bad it went out of stock so quickly
I'm hoping an MSI 448 will go on sale shortly...like around $210 or so
...it was $230 sometime last monthI missed it too but I got Zotac 448 with BF3 game for $219. I wanted game so it works out about that good.
I would have bought classfied ultra since it uses GTX 580 PCB and overclocks like mad but I already had Zotac and a waterblock which doesnt fit Classfied Ultra.
I would have bought classfied ultra since it uses GTX 580 PCB and overclocks like mad but I already had Zotac and a waterblock which doesnt fit Classfied Ultra.
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Less than $240 is acceptable price.
I think the MSI GTX 448 is better. All the MSI 448s that I have seen generally clock a little faster or greatly faster.
When you get to around $250 i think the HD7850 is a better choice because it is more power efficient and can overclock like crazy and has 2GB of vRAM.
I used to like running crossfire/SLI but I now prefer a single card for gaming. 1 GTX 448 does very well for gaming. 2 GTX 560 ti 448 in SLI will no doubt perform better than single GTX680. It's a little over kill for my gaming needs. I game at 1920x1080 on 120hz monitor and single GTX 448 works out good for my gaming needs. I am more concerned with game play and performance in game play to win. So on games like BF3 I will lower resolution in order to maintain high performance with nice visuals if needed.
With HD7950 at $379.99 I think that it would make a great single card for competitive game play with nice visuals at higher resolutions than what the GTX 448 can handle.
The newest NVIDIA drivers have been buggy for my 448 with power control issues and forced down clocking issues going on with some of the well known futuremark benchmarks.
I hope NVIDIA supports the maximum pefromance from 448 with all the future drivers and if NVIDIA does this the 448 should be a great card for a long time.
I think the MSI GTX 448 is better. All the MSI 448s that I have seen generally clock a little faster or greatly faster.
When you get to around $250 i think the HD7850 is a better choice because it is more power efficient and can overclock like crazy and has 2GB of vRAM.
I used to like running crossfire/SLI but I now prefer a single card for gaming. 1 GTX 448 does very well for gaming. 2 GTX 560 ti 448 in SLI will no doubt perform better than single GTX680. It's a little over kill for my gaming needs. I game at 1920x1080 on 120hz monitor and single GTX 448 works out good for my gaming needs. I am more concerned with game play and performance in game play to win. So on games like BF3 I will lower resolution in order to maintain high performance with nice visuals if needed.
With HD7950 at $379.99 I think that it would make a great single card for competitive game play with nice visuals at higher resolutions than what the GTX 448 can handle.
The newest NVIDIA drivers have been buggy for my 448 with power control issues and forced down clocking issues going on with some of the well known futuremark benchmarks.
I hope NVIDIA supports the maximum pefromance from 448 with all the future drivers and if NVIDIA does this the 448 should be a great card for a long time.
The problem is 7950 is still over $300. I don't buy video cards over $300. performance/$ just gets too crappy plus you can't play their game or video cards would cost $1000 before you know it.
Really all I ask for is normal 40-60% boost for same price as we always got before between generations. This whole generation sucks from an upgrade standpoint.
Really all I ask for is normal 40-60% boost for same price as we always got before between generations. This whole generation sucks from an upgrade standpoint.
It depends on the definition of a generation. I look at 2 yrs (time between successive manufacturing nodes) . For a generation comparison its GTX 480 -> GTX 680. HD 5870 -> HD 7970. If you want more performance then wait for the true successors to GTX 500 and HD 6000 series, which would be GTX 700 and HD 8000 series. You wouldn't be disappointed
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Ya, true successor to the GTX 580 still hasn't been released yet...GTX 680 WAS suppose to be a 660...but when Nvidia realized how fast it is against the AMD 7970...they just made it into a 680 and jacked up the price
It sucks for us consumers...but it is very smart from a business stand point...and Nvidia is out to make money, not make friends
It sucks for us consumers...but it is very smart from a business stand point...and Nvidia is out to make money, not make friends
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My MSI GTX 560 ti 448 is amazing. Clocks to 1GHZ stable with 1v.
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/wydnk/
Got it for under $240 new. I can't think of another new video card in this price range that I would rather have.
The EVGA 448 classified or the ASUS CUII 448 are both beautiful looking cards and look like they should be able to beat my MSI GTX 448 but I haven't seen any of them that clock as well. Could be that the BIOS on the EVGA and ASUS need to be modified for performance.
I hope to see some EVGA or ASUS cards catching up to my card soon. The GTX 560 ti 448 is an amazing card. My card has beaten many GTX 580 in competitive benchmarks.
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/wydnk/
Got it for under $240 new. I can't think of another new video card in this price range that I would rather have.
The EVGA 448 classified or the ASUS CUII 448 are both beautiful looking cards and look like they should be able to beat my MSI GTX 448 but I haven't seen any of them that clock as well. Could be that the BIOS on the EVGA and ASUS need to be modified for performance.
I hope to see some EVGA or ASUS cards catching up to my card soon. The GTX 560 ti 448 is an amazing card. My card has beaten many GTX 580 in competitive benchmarks.
It depends on the definition of a generation. I look at 2 yrs (time between successive manufacturing nodes) . For a generation comparison its GTX 480 -> GTX 680. HD 5870 -> HD 7970. If you want more performance then wait for the true successors to GTX 500 and HD 6000 series, which would be GTX 700 and HD 8000 series. You wouldn't be disappointed
I'm talking new process (taking new release compared to top performer under old processes)
55nm
4870 95% faster than a 3870
GTX 280 56% faster than a 9800GTX
40nm
5870 47% faster than a 4890
GTX 480 63% faster than a GTX285
Then things took a turn for worse
28nm
7970 36% faster than a 6970
GTX 680 33% faster than a 580
And not only that AMD almost double prices.
7970 was twice 6970
7950 was twice 6950
7870 was almost twice 6870
7850 was almost twice 6850
Not much for a lot more.
Not only does 7950 not give much to users who buy one/two steps under highend it costs almost twice - 448's/6950s etc.
When 7950 is less than $300 then it makes sense for me. Or like you say nV gives me at least 40+% improvement for less than $300. Then I'll buy another nvidia card,
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True. GTX 680 should be $300 max and replace 560tis.
I don't see Nvidia giving me 40% for same $215 I paid for 448 with that chip.
My guess is 670 will be $400 and 25-30% faster. waste of money.
Just a note.
If you intend to SLI or Crossfire at some point, my reading indicates despite benchmarks to the contrary, Nvidia gives a better gaming experience at the moment. AMD has not updated Crossfire drivers since JAN or FEB (I forget which) and will not in MAY.
Likely a meanless future issue, as AMD has a lot of incentive to get the drivers right.
Check Reviews and comparisons.
If you intend to SLI or Crossfire at some point, my reading indicates despite benchmarks to the contrary, Nvidia gives a better gaming experience at the moment. AMD has not updated Crossfire drivers since JAN or FEB (I forget which) and will not in MAY.
Likely a meanless future issue, as AMD has a lot of incentive to get the drivers right.
Check Reviews and comparisons.
The 7850 will beat GTX 580 too when oced hell they can beat 7970s, we can't with 448s. both are good cards. 7850 better right now due to inflating prices on 448s, lower operating costs, 50% overclocks, and more ram.
7850 oced beats 7970. really? show me where
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Might be able to beat 7970 at stock clocks when HD7850 is over clocked. Bottom line it is a very nice card for the money and with 2GB of fast vRam it really is a much better value than HD7970.
GTX 560 ti 448 has alot less ram but it does very well at gaming and competitive benchmarks. Clock for clock the GTX 560 ti 448 clobbers the HD7850 but the 7850 has more head room for over clocking.
I'm happy with my 560 ti 448 but I wouldn't hesitate to buy a HD7850. Both offer alot of performance and value for around $250.
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a 7970 is about 50-60% faster than a 7850 so I dont see a 7850 catching a 7970. even at 250 bucks the 7850 is not really much of an upgrade at all to those that paid around that much last gen.
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If you over clock HD7850 to 1300mhz and compare it to HD7970 at stock clocks the HD7850 will perform better. HD7850 is more power efficient. HD7850 costs way less money. My conclusion is that HD7850 is a great card for the money and it really can keep up with a stock clocked HD7970.
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and how many cards do you think can oc to a whopping 1300? many cant even hit 1200. plus at 1300 it still will not beat the 7970 and I am pretty sure a 50% oc would require some crazy voltage if it works all. that would surely make the power consumption MUCH higher.
btw I bet your gtx 448 at 1000 uses an insane amount of power too. just a 15% oc to 845 on my gtx570 raises power consumption by 60 watts.
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SonDa5 = the godfather of 448 cores
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I think there are many HD7850s capable of 1300mhz. It's just a mater of having the over clocking skills to get it there.
Here is HD7850 at over 1300mhz on stock cooling with refrence design PCB.
.http://hwbot.org/submission/2276558_delly_3dmark11___performance_radeon_hd_7850_8640_marks
ASUS, XFX and MSI both have some very nice improved PCB design HD7850s that could probably go faster. Add improved water cooling and the HD 7850 is looking very fast and stable.
My MSI TFIII PE/OC GTX 560 ti 448 is probably pulling just under 400 watts under at 100% load when clocked to 1GHZ. I'm basing this number on stock speed power draw reviews that I have seen.
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No reason to upgrade/sidegrade for sure. But right now 448's are expensive and 7850 is cheaper so I'd prolly opt for 7850 if buying brand new. 7950 costs too much for my tastes. When it gets to $250 then I'll buy or nV equivalent. It's the only to get a legit 40% increase for same price, which all users should be accustomed to after process change.
Really 7950 is only worth $250
7870 $200
7850 $159
If they gave a us a customary upgrade (40%-100%) after process upgrade like in the past.