Configuring Folding for 16Cores Rig?

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Jon855

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I've one question, how would I go about configuring for 16 cores when the console version says Machine ID 1-8?

Let me know, thanks...
 
you need to use fast user switching.

I've never done it, just heard about it.

Odds are setup user 1 and user2. C:\user1\FAH1 > C:\user1\FAH2 Then C:\user2\FAH1 etc.

Light up 8 clients, then fast user switch over and light up 8 more.

This a HT box? If so don't bother just light up 8 clients.
 
marty9876 said:
you need to use fast user switching.

I've never done it, just heard about it.

Odds are setup user 1 and user2. C:\user1\FAH1 > C:\user1\FAH2 Then C:\user2\FAH1 etc.

Light up 8 clients, then fast user switch over and light up 8 more.

This a HT box? If so don't bother just light up 8 clients.
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Not a HT box, 16cores... Eh, so all I need to do -> fast user switching... Sounds complicated than what it really is... Cause that still doesn't tells me to use the core 9, 10, etc.

Foldix - will this work? I would perfer if I could get it all to work under a window box under one username...

For these who are curious, I've flopped down lots of money on a credit, not yet accepted but when if it does goes through, I'll have 16 cores coming on my way in a rig :)
 
Foldix will not work.

It's actually pretty easy.

You reuse machine ID 1-8

User1\fah1=user ID 1
User1\fau2=user ID 2
keep going to 8

under fast user switching hop over to 2nd user

user2\fah1 = user ID 1

and keep going back up to 8

8+8=16 FTW!
 
how many physical sockets this box have? I'm thinking XP won't work...
 
marty9876 said:
how many physical sockets this box have? I'm thinking XP won't work...
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4Sockets, and no its not XP... Server 2003
 
Jon855 said:
4Sockets, and no its not XP... Server 2003
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well at least post a link of what you applied for.... :p

And I don't even like you... :D I'm looking for the thread now, it can be done under Windows.
 
marty9876 said:
well at least post a link of what you applied for.... :p

And I don't even like you... :D I'm looking for the thread now, it can be done under Windows.
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U don't have to like me :)
I'm not going to post a link to the site for where I applied for my credit at... Reason for this is it's my bank...
 
well the box your trying to buy is what I meant
 
OC-AMD said:
For the few of you out there that have access to multiple processor machines that exceed 8 CPU's (with or without HT), I have found an easy way to get around the 8 Machine ID limit under the Windows client.

(I have only done this with the console version)

First thing to do is delete any reg key on the system doing with PandeGroup (Mainly HKLM\Software\Pandegroup)

Now create as many clients as you have for CPU's. If you have 16 CPU's, make 4 directories with 4 sub directories in each. Each of the sub directories contain the client.cfg, client, etc... the Machine ID's in each of the client.cfg's are numbered 1 through 4. (Or 8 if you choose)

From here there are two ways you can proceed... if you have Terminal services enabled on the server, log into a terminal session with a user that does not have administrator rights to the machine. Go to your first F@H directory and launch your 4 clients in the sub directories of that folder. This will give you your User ID and will have 4 sessions folding.

Now disconnect from the session... the clients stay running in the background.

Now log into another terminal session on the server with another user that does not have administrator rights. Go to your second F@H directory and launch the 4 clients in your second set of 4 sub-directories. This will start 4 more session, with a new and different User ID...

Again disconnect this session and continue logging onto the machine with as many non-admin accounts as needed to use all the CPU power. The reason this works is simple... when a user runs F@H without admin rights, the User ID key is stored in HKCU instead of HKLM. If you run F@H as an administrator, it's going to write the key to HKLM and all your clients will be hosed... but as long as non-admins users start each session, you could start up as many terminal sessions with as many users as you wanted.

I have verified the above works perfectly...

The second way to achieve this without the use of terminal services on a server would be to do all the above, but create scheduled tasks running under non-admin accounts to start each of the clients off. A scheduled task that runs under a different user loads a separate profile for that user... and if that user does not have admin rights, the User ID again gets written to HKCU instead of HKLM. I have not verified this way... but it should work just as easy as the first way.

-Jim
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we want porn, we want porn

20 bucks this don't happen... :D
 
Basically it's going to be from Newegg, as 4cores CPU isn't out yet, early 2007 is the ETA for quad cores. Basically I'm gunning for a custom 4 socket rig. Sorry if i made you guys think that I'm going to have it built and delivered for me. That's not the case here, basically I'm trying to get me an approved credit beforehand so that i can order them as soon as they get released in early 2007.

Does that meets your need to know?

Don't worry people, I don't have the complete rig in mind yet, the credit/loan I applied for from my bank weights in 10k. This is still under talks with my bank and I hope I'll be able to obtain the credit/loan and then I'll get right to the ordering as soon as they come out.

I just wanted to obtain the knowledge to get them to folding as soon as I get it all built is all :) thanks Marty, that was helpful.
 
roftranspo said:
what the heck is this system for????
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To win the 1950Pro contest of course! ;)

Disclaimer: I actually have no idea what it's for
 
roftranspo said:
what the heck is this system for????
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e-Penis and well no by the time if I do get approved and get the system here, I'll have lost the 1950Pro race...

Of course I'll have them folding when I do get my hands on them, I'm going to use this for lots of Video Editing and LightWave / Maya / others rendering software so.

e-Penis also.
 
the four socket built for quad cores (4x4 = 16) from Intel is TigerTown or something. I mentioned it in my other thread about quad core goodness.

It should be available in November, IIRC.

Better get that loan ready!

and we want pictures when you got 'em! :)
 
wait.
are you getting moherboard with four sockets?
and 4 quad core CPUs?

edit:just saw you said you were.
i'm jealous.
 
Jon855 said:
Basically it's going to be from Newegg, as 4cores CPU isn't out yet, early 2007 is the ETA for quad cores. Basically I'm gunning for a custom 4 socket rig. Sorry if i made you guys think that I'm going to have it built and delivered for me. That's not the case here, basically I'm trying to get me an approved credit beforehand so that i can order them as soon as they get released in early 2007.

Does that meets your need to know?

Don't worry people, I don't have the complete rig in mind yet, the credit/loan I applied for from my bank weights in 10k. This is still under talks with my bank and I hope I'll be able to obtain the credit/loan and then I'll get right to the ordering as soon as they come out.

I just wanted to obtain the knowledge to get them to folding as soon as I get it all built is all :) thanks Marty, that was helpful.
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They'll be out within a couple of weeks
:)
 
zim01 said:
They'll be out within a couple of weeks
:)
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Oh? I must have been misinformed. I should hear from my bank sometimes early this week. Well I'm off to CompUSA for some BAWLS.

Thanks Zim01 for pointing that out.
 
zim01 said:
They'll be out within a couple of weeks
:)
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You sure quadcores for quad boxes will be out within a couple weeks? I just ordered a demo dual core quad box with 7140s in it, I'm going to be pissed if the quads are coming it that soon. I thought we were only getting quads of the clovertown variety for two way boxes at the end of the month :mad:
 
Wouldn't it be more cost effective to just get 4 quad-core barebones systems, rather than a 4-way server board and 4 quad cores?

I haven't researched this much, but I'd think it'd cheaper my way. What has your research shown you?

BTW, I'm jealous too. :0
 
Bill Clo said:
Wouldn't it be more cost effective to just get 4 quad-core barebones systems, rather than a 4-way server board and 4 quad cores?

I haven't researched this much, but I'd think it'd cheaper my way. What has your research shown you?

BTW, I'm jealous too. :0
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You are right one way 4cores probably would be much cheaper but I don't want too many boxes so I'm trying to pack as much as I can in one rig. I'm not too sure about the power that 4rigs [4cores each] vs 1 4way [16cores] will fare against each other.

To Zim01, I thought quad cores cpus are coming out next year, where does it says that it's coming out later this month? Maybe you could clear up on that? I'm a little confused now and I don't like being confused.

 
Jon855 said:
To Zim01, I thought quad cores cpus are coming out next year, where does it says that it's coming out later this month? Maybe you could clear up on that? I'm a little confused now and I don't like being confused.
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Quad core desktop cpus are most certainly coming out this month (at least the intel ones); just check the front page of [H]. It's called the QX6700. Quad core server cpus I'm not so sure about.
 
Roman79 said:
Quad core desktop cpus are most certainly coming out this month (at least the intel ones); just check the front page of [H]. It's called the QX6700. Quad core server cpus I'm not so sure about.
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Yeah I've read the article and I was thinking about the server version cause I don't think there's any "4 Socket MOBO" that supports Quad Core yet, and Quad Core Xeons are schedule to be released in early 2007.

And on a side note, seems like you're going to be overtaking me quite soon http://www.hardfolding.com/index.php?go=1011&tm=33&id=196245&id1=190119 :( But it has been a good fight up to this date. :)

 
Jon855 said:
Yeah I've read the article and I was thinking about the server version cause I don't think there's any "4 Socket MOBO" that supports Quad Core yet, and Quad Core Xeons are schedule to be released in early 2007.

And on a side note, seems like you're going to be overtaking me quite soon http://www.hardfolding.com/index.php?go=1011&tm=33&id=196245&id1=190119 :( But it has been a good fight up to this date. :)

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I dunno...I think 4.4 days is rather optomistic; you still have 6500 pts on me. You still have time to get the gremlins out of your boxen ;)

 
Alrighty, I'm curious, are u folding GPU / both of your CPU Cores or just GPU /One Core?
 
ND40oz said:
You sure quadcores for quad boxes will be out within a couple weeks? I just ordered a demo dual core quad box with 7140s in it, I'm going to be pissed if the quads are coming it that soon. I thought we were only getting quads of the clovertown variety for two way boxes at the end of the month :mad:
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I know the quad cores will be out....but the quad core boards cannot confirm
I was only getting dual quads and that may change after I get the dual 1950 running
this week
 
zim01 said:
I know the quad cores will be out....but the quad core boards cannot confirm
I was only getting dual quads and that may change after I get the dual 1950 running
this week
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Are you running the 1950 with 5100 series or 5300 series? I was told I couldn't get 5300 series processors until late nov, early dec. The 6850 I have coming has 7140s in it, ordered it the day before 6950 was announced :(
 
ND40oz said:
Are you running the 1950 with 5100 series or 5300 series? I was told I couldn't get 5300 series processors until late nov, early dec. The 6850 I have coming has 7140s in it, ordered it the day before 6950 was announced :(
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AMD 1212
 
Also keep im mind the upcoming SMP client. Who knows how that will work, be sweet having 16 cores working on one WU. Do a WU an hour or something...:D
 
marty9876 said:
Also keep im mind the upcoming SMP client. Who knows how that will work, be sweet having 16 cores working on one WU. Do a WU an hour or something...:D
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That's a possibility, I wasn't thinking about it like that. nice catch there marty...

I propose reduction of probation for marty...

 
You're definately going to need some REALLY fast RAM to actually keep these puppies fed, and you might need to look into active cooling on your RAM aswell (eg. a fan blowing air accross the DIMMs.)

Would be crazy if you could find a board that does all of this AND has a few PCI-express sockets to use for GPU folding, you'd add a ton of FLOPS to the F@H project in one box!
 
kaleb_zero said:
You're definately going to need some REALLY fast RAM to actually keep these puppies fed, and you might need to look into active cooling on your RAM aswell (eg. a fan blowing air accross the DIMMs.)

Would be crazy if you could find a board that does all of this AND has a few PCI-express sockets to use for GPU folding, you'd add a ton of FLOPS to the F@H project in one box!
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RAMS = least of my concerns... I'm going to stick in 2gigs per CPU so that comes down to 512MB per Cores and not all of the cores will be using up 512 so I'm sure I'll be fine in this. I'm planning to build this into one of the MountainMod case, which are big and it'll have 6-7 of 120MM fans. Cooling = something I can handle...
And as for the GPU folding, if I could, that'll be friggin SICK :) Then my only concern would be the PSU...

Whoo hoo, should only be tomorrow when i find out about the credit/loan... I got to pray...
 
Jon855 said:
Alrighty, I'm curious, are u folding GPU / both of your CPU Cores or just GPU /One Core?
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GPU and one core atm. I've meant to do the math and see which gets more PPD but haven't had time. I'm happy getting a solid 750+/- PPD with my GPU right now.
 
Roman79 said:
GPU and one core atm. I've meant to do the math and see which gets more PPD but haven't had time. I'm happy getting a solid 750+/- PPD with my GPU right now.
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That's probably gonna be your best PPD from that rig, that's about half of your folding PPD though :) Nice.

 
Since price seems to be no object for you, why don't you get Virtual Server and run another instance of Windows as a virtual session. I've used it before and it performs well.
 
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