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oh cool, never heard of them. Definitely have in the hundreds. Will check it out. thanks.
Well ... I laughed the entire time, but I'm easily entertained.
Once people started taking back control with cutting the cord and finding ways to use media, it was only a matter of time before these media companies started figuring out how to screw everyone again. It was easy when everything was on Netflix, now you better have any combo of Netflix, Hulu, Max, Paramount, Disney, Prime, plus whatever else you want lol. It's just turned into a big expensive mess again.
Right! The cable bill with all its channel packages didnt start that way either. It crept up the same way. Basic cable was free, then small fee, then premium, then yea hbo skinemax discovery etc etc.
It's certainly not subjective that Netflix or other streaming services have limited movies. The fact alone that there are service(s) means they are limited. The % of movies on streaming is a fraction of what have been produced.
That's naive. If all content moves to streaming and all streaming services stop carrying that movie - it ceases to exist. The only way it would continue is if someone creates a compressed recording of a compressed stream and distributes it illegally.
That seem to assume that what is offensive does not change over time (and on owner change), when 30 rock was initially running the episode that streaming service removed were edgy but not thought has too much to broadcast (a long list of show have had episode pulled from services)
The % of films I can buy today is an even smaller fraction than what I can see on streaming.
I really don't think it is. The purpose of a library now is that it's how the "streaming war" is won. Disney bought Hulu (as well as many other film companies) in order to have access to their libraries. The whole point of having access to their libraries is to monetize them.
Here are the first 30, I don't have time to do all your homework for you. But the bottom line is I'd wager at least 95% of all classic TV is online.
Okay, you tell me how long it will take to collect those shows with physical media and binge watch them. The average consumer wants them yesterday. I guarantee you most of the time you will have to pay more for the physical media, it will not be in one set or collection (multiple seasons of shows), and it will be in whatever condition it's in, it may be in an old format (VHS), and you won't be able to binge it.
A good chunk of all of that stuff was revived through streaming. In fact it's really profitable for these companies to find anything that was remotely popular, especially for nostalgia, and stream it.
Absolutely. And things go in and out of print all the time as a result. There is no argument that can be said here that's any different from books. Which is my point.
You do not have to assume or project, that already "happened" enough in the past :
It seem to me that the difference is obvious, if the art piece is altered or removed from a streaming platform it impact the ability to see it seem more than if a movie-book that I own on a physical media get out of print.
What have too possibly mean here ?, we are 100% purely talking about stuff they did not had too for some copyright reason but by choice. A lot of stuff they do not have too but do not want to pay to extend the window which is different and can pop-up elsewhere one day, the case is more owner of the distribution right deciding that it should not be seen anymore.
It's easier now than it was in the 70's and 80's trying to copy stuff from the TV via VHS. You don't even have to get up now. We could get into HDCP compliance and stuff yes, but for people that want to do this that is a mild deterrent.
You're kidding me right? Every platform and it's mother has that movie: https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/gone-with-the-wind
People got "super mad" at George Lucas for editing the Star Wars Trilogy, but certainly not upset enough at it to stop buying updated versions of the films. If people don't even own media players to begin with (a point in which you begin to acknowledge), then the physical media itself ceases to have a purpose and it's moot. The only way to "save us from ourselves" if that is indeed your argument is to have nutty archivists have their own rips. However this is also getting into things like whether the editing of entertainment matters or not. And/or even if it does, whether or not we as people can control it or not. Certainly in the case of Lucas, the answer is we didn't and couldn't.
That was a time in the past of syndication and producer being different than distributor, if Netflix stop showing Chappelle stand-up they produced, there is not an automatic the owner sell it to other distributor, Netflix own it.
I am not even sure what you are arguing about, Disney volt is well-known, but people that bought the Lion King on DVD will not mind as much when they stop printing new one for a while, when Spielberg change Star Wars it still exist physical copy of the previous version (the original 2001 Space Odyssey is lost forever I think and not that many people has seen it, it can obviously still happen)
I am not sure what we are even talking about, it is a simple point about how physical can make easier and straight forward preservation of art. It is completely agnostic to what will happen, it is worth all the waste and pollution and hassle to do so, it is worthy to care at all, etc... that a complete different conversation
Even one would make the point no (that is so trivial I am not sure what is being argued right now, because I am sure you fully agree) ? But :
Yes, but that is true of literally all of the titles we're talking about. Disney owns every Disney title. That isn't a surprise.
Any loss of a property will be short lived. That is if there is even a remote interest in watching it. At this point every originator more or less has a streaming service, and with very few exceptions is streaming all of their properties.
Yes. But now with everything more or less getting digitized, it's actually far harder to lose copies of things. Famously as another example, the final episode of Night Court was also lost in an archive fire. If anything, Streaming and digitization has saved all of these properties. Film will live a lot shorter than all of these magnetic and eventually solid state hard drives.
Fair. But easier for whom? Because not really so much for individual users unless they are the most hardcore of cine-files. I still have a LaserDisc player and a stack of 30 or so films. I'm probably one of the few people that does. I haven't set it up or watched any of them in at least 10 years. VHS carried the US market for over 20 years, and now not even my parents have a working player.
Sure, and how many copies have ever existed of those shows unedited? How many copies remain? Like I've brought up with print runs, no matter what there is scarcity whether we're talking about streaming services or physical media.
This is true. And it has hit even the gaming industry with titles like Alan Wake. But even in that scenario we're talking about editing because it has to be done, not because of editing for malicious purpose. Of which I would say there is zero.
Sure, but that also has to do with our sensitivities. I would bet that 30 years in the future, if the Simpson's is still streaming (and I imagine they will even if it isn't popular at that time, again to monetize a library), they'll put all the episodes back up because there won't be our current associations with them.
Negative well kept in salt mine, can live for a very long time.
For I would imagine everyone, I would need to google stuff to make a copy of some Netflix streaming, buying a dvd on amazon is really easy and also it was automatic, you didn't need to think or even want to do it, the existence of physical copy made automatic backup in different physical location, for the very long term something like dvd is no solution anyway like you point out, but books survived for very long time, now people had downloaded book on their Kindle that were changed without them having click on anything.
Yes a lot of little Britain DVD set were sold (could probably search for mines) obviously making it easy for people to upload pirated version online, it is one of the most popular comedy tv show ever made during the era of DVD being really popular (2003-2006), we have to put ourself in the scenario, physical media for video has been dead for 50 years, a recent show that was only ever streamed and never released on phyhsical media, anti-piracy got near perfect and now the streamer remove the show from its platform.
What could you mean by malicious ? Editing that was not required by law was done, episode fully removed or scenes, Lucas Star Wars, the list on the link as many of them, not that it is for malicious purpose (what could those be ?)
It only has to do with streamers owner (and their family, the media pundit, the stockholder and clients putting pressure) sensitivities, that the subject discussed. I could also bet Micheal Jackson episode will be back on, but others not.
There is no way you can say that film will live anywhere near as long as a magnetic disc. Especially not ones that are self propagating across many servers globally and make redundant bit-perfect replications of itself.
This is far afield from all the original arguments and a massive goal post move. And it's subject to whether or not the copy you're given is equivalent to the physical copy you own. There is nothing preventing them from giving you an "updated version" of whatever the content is. Kind of defeating the purpose of your holding physical media argument.
Great. Well it's dead either way. So I guess we're all screwed.
If you can't think of any, then fine. I don't need to create arguments for you. And again, it's really hard for you to come up with likely more than a few cases in 140 years where there have been problematic changes for consumers.
Right. And that is always the beginning and end of it. Eventually everyone who cares is dead. Then it ends up getting monetized again.
don't throw them away! if your player does upscaling, dvd's actually look really good on my sony 4k tv (player is also sony). i did have to go in to the tv's settings and turn the interpolation setting off for that input. can't remember what it was called tho, maybe motion smoothing? i may run down there and find out and update this later. but they look close to blu-ray. no pixelation or jankiness to speak of. i was surprised. but don't throw them away, at least give them away to thrift store or something so people like me can buy them for $ 1Yeah, that is true. I think the last time I bough physical media at a Blockbuster was in 2000 in college when I really wanted the Gladiator DVD
(I still have my college DVD collection in a box somewhere collecting dust. I should throw it out at some point. 480p video has no value in 2023)
and they're really gonna be happy once their ISP starts charging by the GB like they want to do when EVERY piece of media they consume has to be streamed.