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Sure, but because of the extra length you can't do a 280 on top and in front. One of them has to be a 240 (or less).Hi Necere,
Will it be possible to optionally mount 280 mm rad on top in case of mATX motherboard using?
A couple of size comparison mockups:
I agree - I think this case does for ATX/mATX what the M1 did for mini-ITX, and with similar styling it's well-suited to carry the M series name.Flexible layout, lian li construction, this is 100% in the spirit of the M series a we know it, and I feel it should look the part. You can, of course, release a non-M case at some point, with unique styling as compared to the Ms, but this shouldn't be it. Everything about this screams M1: The Sequel, and it should be recognizable as such.
Nah. Having different exterior designs based on the same chassis sounds nice in theory, but you can't optimize things the way you can if everything is tailored to a specific design.Alternatively, perhaps you could release updated swappable panels for the M1 to match the rounded style of this one? Perhaps with a bit of extra space in the front for something like a 120mm fan.
In principle it's feasible, though it might make more sense to design a HDD cage such that it can mount not only to the front and top fans mounts, but also the floor of the case.I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but would it be feasible to have a bracket mounted on the side over the motherboard like the M1 uses, for things like 3.5" drives? Would it fit vertically between the front rad and over-mb psu mount?
No side bracket. The top and front of the chassis provide flexible mounting for components instead.
Mounting components on a source of hot air doesn't sound like a good idea... The floor could work, but it would introduce extra ways for dust to enter the case. Incidentally, in the SFFN topic you mentioned that the case "won't have any side vents, in part so it can have a window". Why not make the window optional? I, for one, wouldn't want it.Hmm... What if both are already occupied with radiators?
Mounting components on a source of hot air doesn't sound like a good idea... The floor could work, but it would introduce extra ways for dust to enter the case. Incidentally, in the SFFN topic you mentioned that the case "won't have any side vents, in part so it can have a window". Why not make the window optional? I, for one, wouldn't want it.
Ah, good. I wonder how I managed to miss that... Still, I hope that this option isn't going to become a feature bottleneck.Window: optional
Just out of curiosity ...Sure, but because of the extra length you can't do a 280 on top and in front. One of them has to be a 240 (or less).
I don't like the way glass is usually implemented with the screw caps protruding, but there's probably a reason everyone does it that way. I'm guessing your suggestion won't leave enough surface area for the glue to stand up to repeated removals and/or won't look very nice, since you'll be able to see any irregularities in the glue through the glass.Seems like Windows have all been replaced by tempered glass in all but the cheapest cases. Maybe you could supply some metal pins with a flat base that could be glued to a pane of glass? Something DIY that just gives you the basic connectors and let's you run with it.
With a 280 on the front you have to put the fans first, because there most likely isn't enough room between the floor of the case and the I/O at the top for the rad. But it might barely be possible to do two 280 rads using slim fans at the front:Just out of curiosity ...
When flipping rads and fans, so that the rads are mounted directly to the case, there will not be enough clearance for a 280 front mounted rad, I guess.
Would slim fans help?
Somewhere around 320-325mm for the fifth slot.What's max GPU length if only mounting AIO rad to top of the case?
Nothing new to report at the moment.Any updates? The suspense is killing me. I'm eagerly looking to "upgrade" from ITX since my Ncase M1 has been mostly stationery during its short life.
I understand glass is more premium, but is polycarbonate so bad?
IMO, the only advantage with glass is scratch resistance, but AFAIK polycarbonate can be treated for improved scratch resistance as well. In every other respect I can think of, polycarbonate is superior. I don't consider glass being "premium" in any way, it's just old tradition, superceded by better materials long ago.
I think the tempered glass fad is utterly ridiculous. Borderline stupid.
The same goes for my glasses, I quit using traditional glass back in the 90'ies and definitely don't regret it (except slightly for the need to be careful with scratches, but glass is in no way scratch proof either).
What, specifically, do you like better about it?I think Tempered glass looks great, especially compared to the pathetic plexiglass windows that have been in use for years.
I'd say no window or Tempered glass only nowadays!
When I think 'windows' I picture small sometimes irregular cutouts not even centered on the panel. The full glass panels look so much sharper and cleaner.
Never say never. Even if it is acrylic or without a window, there's always enthusiasts that will mod it for tempered glass. Now I have to admit that I prefer glass over acrylic (plexi), but I understand the manufacturing and shipping challenges involved here. I would hate for Necere to get so caught up in trying to make glass happen that the case never takes off. So I'd rather have case without a window or even acrylic, then no case at all.
As a consumer, I prefer tempered glass, as it's more scratch resistant, and more aesthetically pleasing (the reflections and retractions look better, subjectively).
However, (good) mounting of glass is more limiting to case design. And manufacturing, handling, distribution, etc will likely be more costly.
To simplify the # SKUs, and lower price of admission, I rather have a windowless M5 case. I'm going to mod it with a custom cut tempered glass anyways.
I'm usually against windows, but in this case I'm OK with it as long as it looks as least as good as tempered glass, instead of a cheap piece of injection molded plastic, like most non-TG windows in commercially-available cases.
I have to wonder though, how much a piece of PC/laminated glass/etc. of that quality and size that would add to the cost.
Slide in how, though? And how do you do that, while retaining compatibility with a non-windowed panel?You could do a slide in window and a small flap at the top. That would solve those problems, there would be a very slight edge of it but it would eliminate the screws.
But then what do you do at the front and the back? Because the chassis flanges will be there, right? They'd have to be set in to allow room for the glass, but then it would leave a gap with a non-wnidow side panel.Something like this maybe? Cross section of side panel, window, frame and top panel looking from the front/back of the case.
But then what do you do at the front and the back? Because the chassis flanges will be there, right? They'd have to be set in to allow room for the glass, but then it would leave a gap with a non-wnidow side panel.
The flanges on all four edges of the chassis. This is where you've got the clips for the side panels in the M1 (and this case).I'm not sure I follow. What do you mean by chassis flanges?
Unlike the M1, this case won't have any ventilation holes on the side panels.My problem with a side window is it would remove the one place designed for filtered, fresh air intake. I'm not will to ruin the thermal design of my case in order to see blinking lights.
The flanges on all four edges of the chassis. This is where you've got the clips for the side panels in the M1 (and this case).
Okay, so it's essentially just the side panel with the window in it, like the first M1 mod above. I guess the what you're getting at is to try to slim down the panel sections to be as narrow as possible?I think I get what you mean. The flanges are still there, just not shown in the drawing since it only depicts the cross-section. The side panel isn't just the top and bottom, it still has the sides.
I guess the challenge would be how to make the window/grooves detachable.
Again though, the side panel won't be flush with the front panel where it wraps to the side. See the 3rd pic of the modded M1 above.I was thinking something more like the s340 Elite where you have the glass push into it similar to the current design but the panel has the push pins installed on them with some kind of adhesive. Then you can use a black border (similar to s340 elite) and hide those insertion points along with a thin piece of foam padding. The only issue would be that when you pop it off, would the screw holes detach, but I am not sure what material would work with something like tempered glass.
Ill draw something up tomorrow and post here.