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poopman

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Two things first off before I get FLAMED to death for my choices of hardware.

1. I did this because I can, the price to performance ratio is absolutley OBSCENE and I know how expensive this stuff is, I know in oh so many ways I could save money, but I didn't want to.

2. I know there is absolutely no Good reason to spend this much money on a computer cept for bragging rights. I'm an idiot and I know it.

Now that that's out of the way, I decided to build a top end machine and here's what I came out with:

Hardware:
3.2 GHZ P4 Extreme Edition (retail for 3 year warrenty)
Abit IC7-Max3
2 Gigs of Corsair XMS PC-3200Pro LL (2 twin mx sets of 512)
Raid 0 WD 10k 73 gig SATA drives
Asus Radeon 9800 XT
Audigy 2 std ( front thing is ugly :p )
Plextor 8x DVD+-RW (top end one)Black
Black Sony 52x CD-Rom drive
Black Floppy
Antec True550

Cooling:
Decided to stick with Air cooling due to weight and annoyance factor of water cooling.
Lian LI PC-6099 Black Alluminum case
4 Red Quad-LED 80mm Crystal Ball Bearing Fan
Black Frozen CPU PWM Fanbus
UV cold cathode
Red reactive SATA cables, floopy cable and Power splitters

I also picked up a prismQ to send my media across my wireless network to my TV.
You can see my current config right now in my sig, this is what I'm moving to.
I'm crazy huh? Total price ~ $3500
 
uhhhh, so you aren't planning on OCing at all? because you'll need faster ram if you're going to OC it. If you're wasting all that money already - you might as well just go scsi. RAID 0 does not increase performance very much - so you'll get more bang for your buck with SCSI. (raid only nearly doubles thoroughput - nothing else) The P3.2EE seems like a complete waste of money to me - but as you said you plan on wasting money - so well have it your way. And what in gods name do you need 2GBs of ram for? I doubt that any games in the near future will need that much ram - and this certainly doesn't look like a server.
 
Cause it's OBSCENE.

I chose 2 gigs of Ram cause I plan on having this box for a while and 1 gig of ram seemed to be the rage these days...so why not go higher? I mean who needs a Pagefile?? (I'm kidding, I know what it's actually used for).

As to the SCSI query, I was originally going to run duel 15k 36.4 gig drives in a raid 0 array and have a 160 gig SATA drive as a data drive. I decided against it because it is quite a bit more expensive to get the 36.4 drives AND a decent SCSI/Raid contoller. WIth a 4.5 MS seek time on the SATA drives and a 3.6 on SCSI, that was one price to performance ratio that I couldn't live with...even though the Processor is by far the worst choice when it comes to it.

Also I'm a much bigger fan of Low Latency then raw speed, If I raise the latency on the RAM I'm sure I'll be able to easily get a higher clock, though there isn't much need to overclock. The main reason I choose intel over AMD and the new AMD64 platform is that intel has a much better reputation for stability. I picked a high end proc so there wouldn't be a need to overclock as the performance would be awesome enough already...hence the PC3200 RAM instead of PC4000 w/ higher latency.
 
AMD 64 = better speed and perfectly stable

I heard the new 3400+ will be faster than the FX-51(which means it is faster than the 3.2 EE) and no registered memory is required.

Stability is not an issue with AMD anymore, the only time I ever crashed was when I got defective RAM from Kingston(do not buy Kingston memory!). The nForce series mobos sent those VIA POS mobos to hell.

Trust me, I got the 1.5ghz Pentium 4 when it first came out for 1,000 bucks... just for the CPU and another 600 for mobo and RAM. BAD BAD BAD decision. System is not even as close as stable as my OCed AMD PC. From someone who has had the Pentium 1 166mhz, then the P2 450mhz, and then the P4 1.5 & 1.7ghz I am saying I prefer AMD to Intel.
 
AMD64 has not been out long enough to be determined as a stable platform. The test of time is going to be the only determining factor of how stable the new AMD64 3400+'s are. I looked very carefully at them before I ordered the machine and I decided to go with the P4 because it has been a proven platform over time. The 64 bit computing enviornment isn't fully mainstream quite yet so I decided to hold off for a while. I saw that the AMD64 performance is better for a gaming machine, but I wanted Proven platform, and I feel safer in the Intel camp.
 
Originally posted by poopman
AMD64 has not been out long enough to be determined as a stable platform. The test of time is going to be the only determining factor of how stable the new AMD64 3400+'s are. I looked very carefully at them before I ordered the machine and I decided to go with the P4 because it has been a proven platform over time. The 64 bit computing enviornment isn't fully mainstream quite yet so I decided to hold off for a while. I saw that the AMD64 performance is better for a gaming machine, but I wanted Proven platform, and I feel safer in the Intel camp.
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The P4EE has not been proven over time in a desktop role, however. The P4 Extreme Edition is the first Pentium 4, and most likely ONLY Pentium 4 that has been based on the Gallatin core. Also, even the most extreme Intel fanboy would not buy a P4EE - there are better chips available for literally less than half the price. And stability is not a relevant concern anymore - if you know how to build computers, both AMD AND Intel setups will be 100% stable for you. Microprocessors have been manufactured for several decades now - they work pretty well. You will only get instability if the chip is damaged, which can happen with any manufacturer or if you don't know how to build computers. For that much money, you'd be better going off dual-Opteron or something similar.
 
i didn't even bother reading the replies ... but all i have to say is this:

don't waste your money like this ....

in 6 months you'll find that your ram is obsollete because we'll all be running DDR2 ... you'll be kicking yourself for buying 2 gigs of that sheit

2 gb does nothing for your system anyway

and the 3.2EE is a complete waste of money .... just wait for the prescotts to come out because they should be mad overclockable due to the new 90nm process .... i know i'll be laughing when i find out that i paid 1/3 of what you paid and got more performance ...
 
Originally posted by poopman
there is absolutely no Good reason to spend this much money on a computer cept for bragging rights.
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sounds like you need to spend more money on software :p

I built mine specifically for Maya 5
2 x Opteron 244's
4GB PC2700 ECC \ Registered
Tyan K8W (dual PCI-X bus, gigabit ethernet, firewire ect)
External SCSI RAID array (Dot Hill SANnet)
PCP&C 510 AG

still deciding on the Video card

PNY Quadro FX2000 or 3DLabs VP990 Pro
(holding off for the latest benchmarks w\ the new 3DLabs Acuity Drivers) currently integrating with a Matrox G550
 
Originally posted by substrate
... but all i have to say is this:
don't waste your money like this ....
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agreed!!!!!
i can see him crying in 6-12 months from now when everybody has better computers than this, for way cheaper. 8)
 
I'm laughing my arse off reading this stuff!

You guys are like: And P4EE must comply with XRZ1500 due to the gigawatts produced by the V990 pro. The quasi maya 5 produces PCO, PCP&C, and SCSI raid. Now, the 3.2 EE with 22 DDR and DDR2 will not work without FX-51 and 2 Giga's of Hela's.

LOL!!:D

You guys ROCK!!!
 
no fuggin clue

BUt one thing i dont under stand with the p4 EE is the unlocked multi

WHat changes can be made. Yes if he can have a multi of 22 Id say it might be worth it, then again the ee is like 2x as hot and since your fucking with so much money you should get a phase change cooler.

Also i doubt a 22x multi is possible
SO why not get Mushkin pc3500 lvl2

Your a fan of tight timings

Well sorry to make you my bitch but people are saying mushkin will boot 270fsb 1:1 2-2-2-5 with 3.3v's pushed into em bad boys

^^you are now my bitch

Since your so [H]ard with this computer though havin your dvd burner and no cd-rw. You mise well get rid of the floppy itll save you 5 bucks and you can burn 1 mb files onto 1 dollar dvd's
 
Originally posted by Bad_Boy
^wtf did he just say?
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And P4EE must comply with XRZ1500 due to the gigawatts produced by the V990 pro. The quasi maya 5 produces PCO, PCP&C, and SCSI raid. Now, the 3.2 EE with 22 DDR and DDR2 will not work without FX-51 and 2 Giga's of Hela's.

for your Intel P4 to interface with your Kawasaki Ninja ZX1500
you need to insert the 3dlabs VP990 into you ass producing the gigawatt power necessary to run Maya 5, which will play the soothing tunes of Poco on PCP with Cooling, so you can RAID thy brothers SCSI HDD for the answers to the upcoming Electrical Engineering test 3.2 and porno of Hela's DoubleD's on top of the FX-51 stealth fighter

elementary watson :p


back on topic
everybody cries 6 months after buying :(
 
If you want it to be badass get yourself a PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool 510 ATX-PFC Deluxe (black PSU w/SATA power cabled) instead of that POS Antec....
 
Seriously ditch the P4 EE its a complete waste of time and money... get the AMD 64 im a intel user my entire life but if i had the money i would DEFINATELY go amd 64, it is THE FUTURE... P4 EE is completely worthless in my eyes, as well as the 2 gb of ram, really 1 gb is more than anuff these days... it will handle anything u throw at it if u get pc3500 mushkin ram so cut the crap and grow a brain
EDIT: I know u said u dont care about price but what ur doing is beyond insane, its completely pointless, at least spend the same amount and get some worthwile performance to show for it
 
Originally posted by quiksilverx181
Seriously ditch the P4 EE its a complete waste of time and money... get the AMD 64 im a intel user my entire life but if i had the money i would DEFINATELY go amd 64, it is THE FUTURE... P4 EE is completely worthless in my eyes, as well as the 2 gb of ram, really 1 gb is more than anuff these days... it will handle anything u throw at it if u get pc3500 mushkin ram so cut the crap and grow a brain
EDIT: I know u said u dont care about price but what ur doing is beyond insane, its completely pointless, at least spend the same amount and get some worthwile performance to show for it
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Hahah YES - Here is evidence to support my post^^^:D :D
 
He is my bitch I made him my bitch

So he has to build me on of his systems too

Then i can go put a gigawat power through it will my friends Kawasiki chassis is touching the mobo creating enough power to watch and good session of porno through a tachometer

I can see it now that red light shift indicator stuck on getting screwed by that 1 inch needle pumping at 9000 rpm


WHAT THE HELL YOU KNOW LET HIM BUILD THE SYSTEM

Im glad the guy can throw away 3,500 on a single processor computer that will be obsolete in a few months

if i was going to throw 3500 away, I would wait till BTX, DDR2, Prescott, and the new nvidia and ati cores are out. Face it 9800Pros are in a "drying" age and the only reason the 9800XT had to come out was because Nvidia made a 5950 threat to the top of the list.

Put it this way:

Would you spend $3,500 for a one night stand with a mature pr0n star

Or would you wait till next year when Paris hiltion becomes number one and you can waist $3,500 on her.

Id take Paris over a mature lady
 
You can actually buy the pee4 emergency edition? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaaa..........

Oh my eyes are watering cause im laughing that much that someone fell for the intel marketing machine yet again.....

:rolleyes:
 
More power to ya dude buy wtf YOU want , and who gives a fluck what other dweebs have to say , but you did ask though.

IT's all good just having some fun but some peeps get retarded carried away , kinda funny though. Good luck with your new rig , and hope it does what you need it to .

I tried so damn hard not to add me shiet as you have probably heard enough , BUTTTTTTTTttttttt let me say one word a few times SCSI SCSI SCSI SCSI SCSI SCSI ==========Wicked Snapppy , MAxi MUltitaskiNg , retarded fast access time, and ROCK SOLID STABILITY !!!!! I am running what you thought you were or what you considered to run (2 X36 gig 15 K cheetah's in Raid 0) and I can tell you it was the best MOney I have ever spent and you Dropped the ball on that decision. The 10 k Raptards can say what the hell they want but until you experience it you don't know wtf you are talking about.

Once again good luck on your build and enjoy your rig

thanks
wrath
 
I will be watching for this system in the FS/FT forum. Within a month you will see a thread " Need to sell system fast! Need money for bills!" Then I can just pick and choose the parts I want because thats the only way he will sell the system is by parting out.:D
 
Three things. First, ditch the floppy and cd-rom and get a dvd drive, easier for burning dvds. Second freecableguy is smoking crack that he thinks Antec is crap. My Antec true 330 came with Sata power cables and has amazing rails. Third Cloud15x no system will ever be top of the line forever. I say if you have the money and want to, do it up. Now if you where some kid saving his pennies to build this machine I would suggest to wait.
 
My only comment is that i think you said you were gonna use 4 512 dimms, I would recommend using two 1 gig dimms, I think Kingston makes those sets.
 
An Athlon 64 would definitely be more forward thinking. Hell, build a dual opteron system if you want!

As far as RAM, wtf are you getting 3200 ram for? Get the Muskin ram they're recommending.

Ditch the floppy, or get that nice (Mitsumi i think) floppy drive with the built in memory card readers in front. ~$30 Then, add the Plextor DVD burner and a fast combo drive. That's always a good combination (it's what I'll have in a couple weeks).
 
this guy is completly insane, p4EE, are you retarded, if you wait one month you got the prescott which will be the fastest thing on the market, why are you being an idiot about such a pricey situation, unless you have wads and wads of money just chillin on your desk then i would advise you to steer clear of that pos chip, you'll end up with Very high heat ratings and that just turns into problems, infact i just had a trouble call from one of my customers with one of their old computers, i fixed it up for them and the had the case all fubared up and everything and the chip when i clocked it was running at 109 degrees celcius!! you'll be around there and see system lock ups when you reach that temp, and you will with that chip, now about these guys talking about the amd64, yes it is a very stable chip and yes it is a fast chip, but no no no no no, wait the extra time and get that prescott if you know anything about computer or anything about.... ANYTHING... then you will wait for the nano technologies, now about that ram, holy shit dude, 2gb??!?!? thats rediculous 1gb is all you will ever need for anything unless you are writing never ending loops in java or c++ or something that takes like 2475197403256014037210571902517 bites of ram... (exaggeration)lol.... trust me, 1gig is all you will need, um everything else looks good, phase change cooling would probably fit you better IF you do end up getting that pos.... def rethink your purchase, we are all just looking out for everyone here
 
one other thing about the ram, i my self have the mushkin level II and it boots at 2-2-2-5:D its fast as hell
 
I think you have one kick ass machine that will be faster than 90% of computers for a few years. You just made one problem: telling these guys what you spent your money on.
 
Originally posted by Nexu
I think you have one kick ass machine that will be faster than 90% of computers for a few years. You just made one problem: telling these guys what you spent your money on.
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Lol, it'll be out of date by june.
 
Wow, I love you guys so much! This is exactly what I wanted to hear. The only valuable comment though was the Ram, I think I might do the Mushkin pc3500 II ram. I'll return the corsair. I might as well do SOME overclocking or it'll be no fun.

The thing is in 6 months if I wanna blow a shit ton of money again, I can do it...and more importantly I don't want to wait a month for a paper launch of the prescott, and who knows when it's done. When the Prescott is close to being fully scaled, DDRII will be out and it'll be time to upgrade again if I feel like it.

The Antec 550W power supply is a perfect choice, whoever thought differently is on crack.

As to SCSI I work at M$ and I run a lab so I play with 9.1 - 180 gig SCSI 15k drives all day. I build Raid5 arrays, Run 2 SANS and I know the performance. Like I said it might be worth it, but I really like the SATA 10k drives...less heat, better price point (somewhat) at least for me.

<3
 
^^^

Nice system, im glad your happy with it and appreciate the disclaimers.

Buy better ram definetly though.
 
alright, so I paid 575 for the 2 gigs of corsair Ram, 15% restock fee to return it.

SO I'll sink about 85 bucks.

I decided 2 gigs is too much and knowing how often I upgrade 2 gigs is a bit excessive. I think I'm going to order the Mushkin PC3500 II, 1 gig of it. The timings are better and I can get some pretty good overclocks out of it. Good advice, though i LOVE the LED's on the Corsair XMSPRO ram, those are enough to almost make me wanna keep it...but When it comes down to it I'll be saving money, and can do more with the Mushkin RAM anyways.
 
UGh, I take it back I'm torn...I really like the memory activity LED's, and the way 2 GIGS of ram roles off your tonge...all asthetic things but still.

Then again the Muskin 2-2-2-5 vs. XMS 2-3-2-6 is a huge factor, not to mention that the muskin can go up an aditions 33mhz (66 DDR) which would be a pretty good overclock.

I mean you guys are all performance nerds which I know...but having a bad ass looking box is almost as important to me as performance...lord knows I wouldn't have bought an air cooled Lian-Li if I was looking for purely performance. So I guess it comes down to style for me...so I think I might stick to the XMS, having 4 slots filled up bad ass looking RAM w/ activity LED's will be pretty freaking cool looking.

I'll make sure I post some pictures for you guys, maybe you'll understand then...though you're most PURE performance geeks so You'll probalby still hate on me :)
 
this guy is completly insane, p4EE, are you retarded, if you wait one month you got the prescott which will be the fastest thing on the market,
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no, the prescott is said to be the same speed as the northwoods, just higher clock

the AMD3400+64 is the way to go
 
Also according to the [H]Rumor mill, the P4 EE will still be faster and better then the intial release of the Prescott's till they fully scale, due to the clockspeed and Size of the L2 Cache...

OH and I forgot, to all the asses that reamed me for only having a DVD burner, the plextor one is a DVD +-RW and a CDRW as well, it's fucking bad ass

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...7-131-311&catalog=5&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1
 
Upgrade the ram, there's no point in having a system like that and not dabbling in a little overclocking.
 
....enough is enough. Closed for the following reasons:

Absolutely NO FLAMING OR NAME CALLING, this is grounds for immediate removal of your posting privileges.

Refrain from using excessive profanity dammit.
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Look, I'm no saint, and I have been known to use "colorful" language to make a point, but the flame wars in this and other forums are out of hand. There's no point in seeing who can insult a thread starter the worst, nor in the thread starter flaming right back. Starting a thread with "....Two things first off before I get FLAMED to death..." is more or less picking a fight and it won't be tolerated any longer.

I would remind everyone of two last rules:

[H]ard|OCP also reserves the right to ban any user, at any time, and for any reason.

By posting to the [H]ard|Forum, you agree to abide by the above rules and terms.
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The admins are in full agreement and support the enforcing these rules. Your ability to post totally depends on what you post....which is something you have complete control over. If the ban axe has to swing to make the point, it can be arranged.

Enough is enough, gentlemen.

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