Arrow Lake 2024 (and beyond)

[swetmore]

I've been holding out for an upgrade as my 9900K / Z390 is still serving my non gaming needs quite well.. With the proliferation of AI and various other reasons to "keep up", I am looking forward to how Arrow Lake is going to pan out.. It would be nice to have a single thread to follow developments...so hoping this thread will serve that purpose.

Ultimately, it would be nice if the process shrink will also yield lower power requirements than Intel's 12th-14th gen.. Half that would be really nice, but probably won't see that until Lunar Lake.. by then, it will be really interesting to see if Windows on ARM / RISC will get legs with Nvidia, AMD, Qualcom, and others ramping up on that front. And of course, AMD's new Ryzen offerings are coming... For now, just trying to weed through the speculation, FUD, etc.., observe any eventual leaks, and finally set expectations... Arrow Lake is claimed to also include Intel's version of "Tile Based" chips on the package... (like AMD's chiplets)...

Overview: https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/intel-arrow-lake-release-date-specs-performance-4401940

Claims from this site: https://gadgetmates.com/intels-arrow-lake-cpus-a-look-into-the-upcoming-15th-gen-processors

https://www.guru3d.com/story/intel-arrow-lakes-new-lga1851-socket-and-more-technical-details/

15th gen: 30-40% faster single core than 13th gen... (claimed here):


View: https://youtu.be/nccBhS_1uWg?si=LoD08NM2rBSdyzVH&t=347

 

[Niner]

By the time the 15th gen is released I may be in line to upgrade my 13600K. The lower power consumption would be a welcome addition.

 

[Doozer]

Does anyone else like the idea of getting rid of Hyperthreading and adding more e-cores instead?

 

[Captain Newmackwa]

I hope Intel figures out how to put in larger L3 Cache in Arrow Lake with their Foveros/EMIB packaging tech to compete with 3D V-Cache without the thermal/current/voltage drawbacks of the latter

 

[Peat Moss]

Does anyone else like the idea of getting rid of Hyperthreading and adding more e-cores instead?

Will this reduce heat and power consumption ?

 

[vjhawk]

Does anyone else like the idea of getting rid of Hyperthreading and adding more e-cores instead?

Sounds like cost cutting measures to reduce complexity. I'm guessing Intel thinks that the overall performance increase is enough where they can drop hyper-threading support entirely.

More e-cores doesn't really add up to more performance in my opinion. It's mainly the P-cores which Intel only has 8 according to leaks that will carry the brunt of the work. E-cores are supposed to do lower priority, background tasks, etc.

Unless these new e-cores are beefed up somehow to assist the p-cores, I don't expect additional e-cores will increase overall performance at all really.

Most of the gains will probably come from improvements to the p-cores, efficiency gains from new architecture, raw IPC improvements, etc.

"It's not a matter of "better"; rather, they serve different purposes. P core are optimized for high-performance tasks, while E core are designed for energy efficiency and background tasks."

Quoted from E-core vs P-core FAQ: https://premioinc.com/blogs/blog/what-are-p-cores-and-e-cores-in-intel-12th-and-13th-gen-cpu#:~:text=It's not a matter of,energy efficiency and background tasks.