luisxd
Limp Gawd
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Apple could spit every one of their customer in the face with every computer they sell and people would still buy it
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Samsung could make an exploding phone that literally causes planes to emergency land mid-flight and have an FAA ban and people would still buy it.Apple could spit every one of their customer in the face with every computer they sell and people would still buy it
I have never had a swelling battery problem except with Apple (pretty much all of them).I know right? Dell should really stop doing that. So should HP.
Literally every single Macintosh from the late 1980s when Apple started to use the then-new SMD capacitors until the mid to late 2000s has capacitor failure. The SMD capacitors would fail because the rubber plugs in the bottom would shrink and let air into the capacitor, resulting in it either drying up or leaking out onto the board and causing damage. If you're into vintage Macs, the first thing you must do is recap both the logic board and the power supply, as well as get rid of the lithium clock battery if it hasn't already leaked or exploded.
The first generation tray loading iMac G3s were even worse. They used faulty capacitors in all aspects of the machine from the logic board to the analog board and the power supply. Coupled with having absolutely no cooling besides the very poor convection vents, they had failure rates matching the original Compact Mac models from the 1980s. It wasn't until the second gen slot loading designs that reliability improved, and the final all in one with a CRT, the eMac G4 that they finally added a cooling fan.
The PowerMac G5s also had capacitor issues in the power supply, but that paled in comparison to the faults with the logic board. Due to the construction of the machine, it made it an incredibly irritating ordeal to disassemble when the logic board failed, and it would eventually.
I can't even count how many Latitudes, Precisions, Yogas, and Carbons I have had to replace batteries on.I have never had a swelling battery problem except with Apple (pretty much all of them).
macOS is basically BSD and has a complete terminal.
I LOL’d.Samsung could make an exploding phone that literally causes planes to emergency land mid-flight and have an FAA ban and people would still buy it.
The difference between our two examples is the Samsung one actually happened.
So, you'd say 80% chance one those then? (within 3 years)I can't even count how many Latitudes, Precisions, Yogas, and Carbons I have had to replace batteries on.
For both swelling (rendering the keyboard and trackpad glitchy at best) all the way to losing communication with the battery and no longer charging. Next?
I can't even count how many Latitudes, Precisions, Yogas, and Carbons I have had to replace batteries on.
For both swelling (rendering the keyboard and trackpad glitchy at best) all the way to losing communication with the battery and no longer charging. Next?
People didn't still buy the Note 7 because Samsung stopped selling them and recalled what was already sold.Samsung could make an exploding phone that literally causes planes to emergency land mid-flight and have an FAA ban and people would still buy it.
The difference between our two examples is the Samsung one actually happened.
It's a computer or a phone. You're not toiling in the shackles of oppression because you can't sideload an app. It's a bit like railing against KitchenAid because they didn't open source the code for their latest blender — there's something to be said for the value of openness, but it's important to have perspective.I can't deal with any company that doesn't let me use my machines as I please. I am not one to be controlled in that way. Windows you can install whatever you want (ARM Macs will soon be fully locked down to the app store, just you wait) and androids can side load whatever you want.
I can see what you're saying about Focus; but hell, Stalin was focused, Mao was focused. I'd rather make my own decisions and deal with the consequences.
Your memory of the sequence of events is incorrect. Samsung did a "voluntary swap" of their Note 7 after they claimed they fixed it, then simply went on selling them. Only of course to find out that they really hadn't fixed the phone at all. And then and only they did they recall it - this entire process taking the better part of a year.People didn't still buy the Note 7 because Samsung stopped selling them and recalled what was already sold.
I think it's incredibly absurd to equate a phone that has a fairly minor antenna issue that can be solved with a case with a phone that again, literally explodes, as if those two things are remotely similar or should have similar responses either by the manufacturer or by the public. But you're right. Samsung's response was: "we fixed it."Samsung's response was not "You're holding it wrong".
That's not entirely true. Samsung's initial response was to just have people swap their phones. It wanted to avoid exploring the possibility that the design itself was the problem, and it wasn't until there were more battery fires that it finally accepted the truth and issued a recall. In other words, it was willing to risk user safety just so it could keep its latest phone on the market.People didn't still buy the Note 7 because Samsung stopped selling them and recalled what was already sold.
Samsung's response was not "You're holding it wrong".
Samsung almost stranded my friend and I on a vacation because we had their piece of shit phone.People didn't still buy the Note 7 because Samsung stopped selling them and recalled what was already sold.
Samsung's response was not "You're holding it wrong".
When Jobs died Ive's design took hold. From 2013 on was his ideas. The last great Apple devices were in 2012, the last upgradeable Mac Pro and the last Macbook Pro that was worth it's price. People make Youtube videos about building 2009-2012 stuff for today's use. Now that he's out, Apple can tell him what they need and he designs around it, instead of him dedicating everything and forcing the engineers to work around his flawed designs.Jony Ive is still the design head of Apple. Though he left to start his own design firm, Apple now just employs his firm to design their products.
All of which are things Jony added and also designed in the first place. You realize he was there from 1992-2019 right? But also to be clear, he doesn't design in a vacuum. He works at the behest of his employer, notably while still living, Steve Jobs. A lot of their products were produced together under his specific design directives.
I don't deny that there have been design failures at Apple, but again, no more than with any other OEM. And I think trying to point the finger at very specific people is silly.
Apple's design process is a lot longer than any other manufacturer in the space as they literally customize every component in their machines - still, they're human and it doesn't mean that they don't run into issues or mistakes that take years to correct when dealing with an organization of their size and at quantities the size Apple buys and manufacturers things at.
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You're really not aware of Apple's design time. A lot of their devices are worked on for 2-4 years in advance, especially when considering how long it takes them to produce product. Jobs effected everything up to the iPhone 10 as an example but obviously that carries over to their desktop computing space as well. But fine, I'll go with your premise that its all been Ive and not actually a group of engineers/designers under a directorial head.When Jobs died Ive's design took hold. From 2013 on was his ideas. The last great Apple devices were in 2012, the last upgradeable Mac Pro and the last Macbook Pro that was worth it's price. People make Youtube videos about building 2009-2012 stuff for today's use. Now that he's out, Apple can tell him what they need and he designs around it, instead of him dedicating everything and forcing the engineers to work around his flawed designs.
Kay. So as was written above Ive and Apple are doing just fine. Certainly with a much better hit rate than competing PC's, so I'm really not sure what your point is. You want to point the finger at a few design faults when as I've brought up in this thread Apple is more than comparable to anything in the PC world, while at the same time you want to ignore any unpleasant comparisons.Tim Cook was the operations officer, a supply chain guy, before becoming CEO. How would he tell Ive what to do from a design standpoint when he desperately needs him to keep things stable?
Ive was featured in many presentations moving forward discussing the importance of designing thin and light devices, totally ignoring professional needs, thermodynamics and the right to repair. Yes...it's on him.
Apple sold bad a bad display design on purpose and lost in court. Samsung did not sell bad hardware on purpose and such an issue was never brought to court.Samsung could make an exploding phone that literally causes planes to emergency land mid-flight and have an FAA ban and people would still buy it.
The difference between our two examples is the Samsung one actually happened.
Samsung did not sell bad hardware on purpose and such an issue was never brought to court.
That's not entirely accurate. I'm sure Apple didn't knowingly release a bad design, and it might have taken a while for reports to surface before it realized there was a problem. The issue was that Apple was in no rush to fix the design, pull products or compensate users.Apple sold bad a bad display design on purpose and lost in court. Samsung did not sell bad hardware on purpose and such an issue was never brought to court.
But hey - these are the mental gymnastics Apple fanboys put themselves through to justify themselves. People are better of admitting they are Apple fanboy rather than resorting to that line of reasoning. At least they put their lack of understanding out in the open for us to see.
Did you just forget about the second recall of the Note 7 or are you purposefully being obtuse?Apple sold bad a bad display design on purpose and lost in court. Samsung did not sell bad hardware on purpose and such an issue was never brought to court.
But hey - these are the mental gymnastics Apple fanboys put themselves through to justify themselves. People are better of admitting they are Apple fanboy rather than resorting to that line of reasoning. At least they put their lack of understanding out in the open for us to see.
Window 10S can be upgraded for free in about 3 clicks. The amount of steps that need to be taken to do what you want with an iPhone are unacceptable.It's a computer or a phone. You're not toiling in the shackles of oppression because you can't sideload an app. It's a bit like railing against KitchenAid because they didn't open source the code for their latest blender — there's something to be said for the value of openness, but it's important to have perspective.
I'm also not expecting Apple to lock down ARM-based Mac apps at all. It knows the expectations and market are different on computers. That and the company no doubt saw how Microsoft failed to gain any traction for Windows 10S.
i'd be appalled if you could do it easier on an apple product. Every time some app tries to spy on me now, i get a notification on my iphone and my macbook. Everyone else wishes they had that.Window 10S can be upgraded for free in about 3 clicks. The amount of steps that need to be taken to do what you want with an iPhone are unacceptable.
Oh, it's not the ease of unlocking 10S I'm thinking about, it's more the basic concept of trying to lock down a desktop OS. On a Mac, you can limit app downloads to the App Store if you like, but it's quite easy to either fling the gates wide open or strike a middle ground that only allows non-App Store titles with Developer IDs (basically, notarized apps).Window 10S can be upgraded for free in about 3 clicks. The amount of steps that need to be taken to do what you want with an iPhone are unacceptable.
Eh, I get it, you're a Apple lover. Use what you want. But have fun trying to do on your Mac what 90% of this forum is all about.i'd be appalled if you could do it easier on an apple product. Every time some app tries to spy on me now, i get a notification on my iphone and my macbook. Everyone else wishes they had that.
I've seen precisely one MacBook/Pro with a bad battery. And I have opportunity to see plenty. If it was anything approaching 80%, I would have seen around 180 in the last few years.So, you'd say 80% chance one those then? (within 3 years)
What I was saying was that's what we're seeing. So my question to you was are you seeing that sort of rate with your "other" laptops withing 3 years. You seem to suggest so. So I was checking.I've seen precisely one MacBook/Pro with a bad battery. And I have opportunity to see plenty. If it was anything approaching 80%, I would have seen around 180 in the last few years.
Try again?
So, because you haven't seen more than one the issues don't exist?I've seen precisely one MacBook/Pro with a bad battery. And I have opportunity to see plenty. If it was anything approaching 80%, I would have seen around 180 in the last few years.
Try again?
Because I have not seen the numbers that you claim, not even close to, I'm calling BS. There may have been an issue and very well could be still an issue. However, what you are claiming is striaght up bullshit. Unless my company somoehow manages to cherry pick our machines to only get the "good" ones, your claims belong in the round file.So, because you haven't seen more than one the issues don't exist?
He's claiming 80%.So, because you haven't seen more than one the issues don't exist?
Because I have not seen the numbers that you claim, not even close to, I'm calling BS. There may have been an issue and very well could be still an issue. However, what you are claiming is striaght up bullshit. Unless my company somoehow manages to cherry pick our machines to only get the "good" ones, your claims belong in the round file.
5 is a pretty piss poor statistical pool to base a claim on, don't you agree? I'll take my 249 machines over 5 every day of the week (except apparently Saturday and Sunday since we're basing things on "5")What exactly am I claiming besides you think there is no issue? For all you know he had 5 MacBook and 4 of them had a bad battery.
I'm not sure but it sounds like the cable isn't able to be replaced due to how Apple built the laptop.
No I would not. Maybe 10%.So, you'd say 80% chance one those then? (within 3 years)
For us it was the 2015/2016 set. The ones where Apple did the massive recall. We just noticed that it seemed to be everything Apple made, not just the select ones they mentioned in the recall.There were a lot of bad batteries floating around in the early 2000’s...