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Best becareful with A+. Generally there are 2 types of shops. "Those that cant get a job on merit, get certified", for these shops A+ is a red flag. The other shops are "A+ is the bare min, now go make the coffee", these shops want A+ just to start so they can weed out the people they need to train to use a screw driver.
The best advise someone gave me was to get the job, then get certs. This shows continuing education. Plus now that its not the 1990's, you have to get recertified every few years.
Are jobs/careers in IT even worthwhile to pursue anymore? It has seemed that so many IT positions are shipped overseas - India/Philippines etc. Obviously stores need sales agents and computer technicians but beyond that, what are the chances that most people are going to be doing much more than that?
Yes. It’s still a strong career choice. Specifically within IT, Audit and Information Security are very strong and typically will need boots on the ground in any company, boots that will not be able to be completely outsourced.Are jobs/careers in IT even worthwhile to pursue anymore? It has seemed that so many IT positions are shipped overseas - India/Philippines etc. Obviously stores need sales agents and computer technicians but beyond that, what are the chances that most people are going to be doing much more than that?
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what is the Certified Electronics technician exam ?
maybe I should just google but i just opened a chocloe milk bottle and dove into a kala... kela... hot dog in a bread thingy. at my remote desktop server managament job
well the "IT fundamentals" part I did was at least 3-4 years out of date...A+ is for folks that don't know jack about computers. It IS a joke but just about every tech firm uses it as a baseline for hiring. Last time I took the test in the mid-2000s it literally had questions about hardware and processes that went out of use in the early 1990s. Maybe CompTIA is keeping up with technology these days but that wasn't the case 15 years ago. Anyone that has their hands into it on a daily basis and keeps up with advancements will know more than anyone will ever know with just a certification.
And this is why IT in this country isn't work crap anymore. The people that actually know stuff can't get a job and morons with a piece of paper do. Oh, and you can get morons with the same piece of paper overseas so the jobs go there.been doing this for 20 years and just now started having issues with not having any certs. everyone is hung up on certs over experience, its a royal pita!
I got the CompTIA ITF cert, was told it was good enough, now its not, so slowly doing the rest for A+. that's seems to be the min to even get a foot in the door anywhere now. and anyone that's knows, knows that A+ is totally BS anyways...
And this is why IT in this country isn't work crap anymore. The people that actually know stuff can't get a job and morons with a piece of paper do. Oh, and you can get morons with the same piece of paper overseas so the jobs go there.
Meanwhile, fully capable people chat on [H]ardforum.
I've found that you can be 10x capable of doing a job, but when competing with 'papers' for even the opportunity to work for someone else, you might be better off just taking your knowledge and building something for yourself. Not everyone can do it as business ownership has its own headaches and necessary skills, but if you can you're usually making 6-figs and have a comfortable life.
Why can't the knowledgeable people just get certified?
You can, but then you're competing against the paper people too. It's like any industry now where the best people aren't necessarily the ones that get the job.Why can't the knowledgeable people just get certified?
It's for people getting their foot in the door as you know that higher up you can't fake it anymore.I find that hard to believe, but maybe you’re referring to entry-level positions. I interview candidates all the time, and their certs aren’t going to help them if they don’t know their stuff. I do have a reputation as a brutal interviewer, but on the contrary, I think I’m very fair.
While I do have a very good degree, I don’t have any recent major technical certifications but am regarded as an expert in my specialty and make six figures doing it and don’t have the hassle of running my own business to worry about.
Yeah, I feel you here too. Unless you come ready to work with almost everything you need to do the job, most companies aren't willing to invest in employees anymore. And as a company owner, I know exactly why--because someone else gets the return on the investment when they jump ship.Gone are the days when they would hire on the fact you are bright and show up clean, and are willing to fork over the few thousand dollars to train you so they can make money off of you. Now every company externalizes skill training.
Yep, you and me both. And yet, you're not even going to get your foot in the door without your 'papers' showing that you have passed all the tests that you could probably pass with your eyes closed without even studying.guarantee I know more than any of the 19 year old diversity hires that "beat" me. been doing this longer then they've been alive...
It's for people getting their foot in the door as you know that higher up you can't fake it anymore.
As far as your position, you got in while the getting in was good. Today, there's 100 people training to get your job.
Yep, you and me both. And yet, you're not even going to get your foot in the door without your 'papers' showing that you have passed all the tests that you could probably pass with your eyes closed without even studying.
Yeah, age is a huge thing, especially when it comes with experience (ie will cost company more). Better to hire some fresh graduate and ride them until they know better and leave. If someone sticks around, that's how they get up. In fact, in almost any company if you're able to play the game/your cards right, you can simply move up over time since everyone else is jumping ship every few years.If you have 20+ years of experience, I don’t think it is lack of certifications costing you jobs. It is more likely 1) Companies being cheap with salary and benefits and 2) Age discrimination (closely aligned with #1 above). It is sad but true that crap like that still happens, and yet we have politicians who want to keep pushing retirement age up. Even if I wanted to work when I was 68, that doesn’t mean companies want to hire me. The disconnect is astonishing.
Hard to "get the job" if one of the entry level requirements is a certification I don't have. How do you get around that?
I don't mean to sound rude, but I don't fully follow your post.
There was only one shop that would hire without A+ and they said they just issue you a test as part of the interview and if you pass you get the job.
Not really sure how having A+ is seen as a bad thing?
If A+ sucks, then can you recommend a course or courses worth taking?
Yeah, I feel you here too. Unless you come ready to work with almost everything you need to do the job, most companies aren't willing to invest in employees anymore. And as a company owner, I know exactly why--because someone else gets the return on the investment when they jump ship.
Didn't do any study for it just sat the two exams and passed.
I recently did the A+ study series for a school class and the exams ask things like what is the max number of firewire devices you can daisy chain. What is the max apple certified length of a lightning cable. Another example what is the minimum system requirements for windows 8 and then what are the minimum system requirements for windows 8 in a virtualization scenario. They ask a lot of hard fact questions that a normal IT person if they needed to know it would just look it up, however they want you to memorize useless facts.