Will you jump on 40xx Super Video cards or would you rather wait for 50xx series to come out?

Had the 4080 Super FE in my cart at Best Buy but then they kept reporting network errors when trying to process my payment. I tried switching to store pickup and then it was gone so much for a 10 minute hold. Tried the Asus Tuf at Newegg, but even though it said in stock it kept removing it from my cart.

Luckily I had jumped in line and stayed at Nvidia even though it was thousands deep. It went pretty quick and I was able to get one there. BB will probably keep getting stock and would have preferred there, but oh well. I wonder how long Nvidia will take. BB would have been Friday for delivery or Saturday store pickup.
Yup even though I "settled" for the MSI AIB model, I'm really glad that Best Buy has scheduled my delivery for February 2nd so at least I'll enjoy my video card very soon.

I experienced similar issues to you. I had to use the Best Buy app on my phone to finish processing my 4080 Super order because of that "network error" message.
 
Yup even though I "settled" for the MSI AIB model, I'm really glad that Best Buy has scheduled my delivery for February 2nd so at least I'll enjoy my video card very soon.

I experienced similar issues to you. I had to use the Best Buy app on my phone to finish processing my 4080 Super order because of that "network error" message.
Amazing how these websites are still screwed up after all these years.
 
Amazing how these websites are still screwed up after all these years.
Yup it's pretty sad. Glad I had the phone app ready in case of any glitches or else I wouldn't have gotten a card.

And look I have criticized the 4080 Super for only giving a barely existent 2% uplift over the normal 4080 but I looked really hard at the 7900 XTX and the lowest price they had was $950 after instant coupon on Newegg.

For only a $50 difference I couldn't justify buying team Red for similar performances not to mention all the extra goodies, DLSS, ray-tracing, etc. that Nvidia gives.

So once the 4080 Super arrives for my rig, it will power my 3440x1440 wide screen Samsung G8 OLED and hopefully get me better frames than the trusty RX 6800 that it replaces.
 
And look I have criticized the 4080 Super for only giving a barely existent 2% uplift over the normal 4080 but I looked really hard at the 7900 XTX and the lowest price they had was $950 after instant coupon on Newegg

the biggest feature on the 4080 Super is the $1000 price tag...should have been $800...but $1000 is still better than $1200
 
the biggest feature on the 4080 Super is the $1000 price tag...should have been $800...but $1000 is still better than $1200
Yup. Here's hoping that the 5080 sells for $799. I would consider at $999 with today's inflation but I'm still flat out passing and waiting for the 6000 series if Nvidia sells it for $1200!
 
Yup even though I "settled" for the MSI AIB model, I'm really glad that Best Buy has scheduled my delivery for February 2nd so at least I'll enjoy my video card very soon.

I experienced similar issues to you. I had to use the Best Buy app on my phone to finish processing my 4080 Super order because of that "network error" message.

I should have thought of that since I had my iPad right next to me and was on the desktop. Nvidia queue popped up with my turn at the same time so I was worried I would miss out there also while I kept messing with Best Buy.

Amazing how these websites are still screwed up after all these years.
The crazy thing for me is BB even tells you they will hold it for 10 minutes which they obviously don't. I am at the submit screen and 2 minutes later they have removed it.

I now have to return the 4070 Super I bought at BB on launch, another reason I wanted the 4080 Super from Best Buy. I figured I would either end up with the 4070 Super and upgrade sooner or go 4080 Super and keep it longer. Of course I also worry whether to go 4K or 1440P now with the 4080 Super where the 4070 S was an easier call. If I go 4K, am I going to regret it once frames fall where the 4070 S feels like at 1440p it would have lasted me until I decided to upgrade to 4K. Then again I am coming from a 10 year old 1080p TN panel so anything is probably going to be an amazing leap.
 
I should have thought of that since I had my iPad right next to me and was on the desktop. Nvidia queue popped up with my turn at the same time so I was worried I would miss out there also while I kept messing with Best Buy.


The crazy thing for me is BB even tells you they will hold it for 10 minutes which they obviously don't. I am at the submit screen and 2 minutes later they have removed it.

I now have to return the 4070 Super I bought at BB on launch, another reason I wanted the 4080 Super from Best Buy. I figured I would either end up with the 4070 Super and upgrade sooner or go 4080 Super and keep it longer. Of course I also worry whether to go 4K or 1440P now with the 4080 Super where the 4070 S was an easier call. If I go 4K, am I going to regret it once frames fall where the 4070 S feels like at 1440p it would have lasted me until I decided to upgrade to 4K. Then again I am coming from a 10 year old 1080p TN panel so anything is probably going to be an amazing leap.
I think you will be okay on 4K. You always have DLSS/FSR in your corner if you need it.
 
I was hoping the 'reduced' price of the 4080 Super would result in slashed prices for the vanilla 4080 - at least, in my country. What does Nvidia/ do retailers typically do in this situation? Let the gpus sit on the shelves? They are mostly online vendors that have some in stock (in my country) - the local stores didn't have any 4080s or 4090s in stock last time.

Yeah, the performance increase is negligible - looking bad, so far. Doesn't bode well for me trying to find used cards - I just hope the 4080 non-Super gets a discount now. :-/
Were you able to secure a 4080 Super for yourself in Canada or did they sell out too fast?
 
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I wonder if there will be periodic restocks like the 4070S or if it is just gone now. I got an order in for the Gigabyte GV-N408SGAMING on Amazon last night but it is a later February ship and I don't feel like paying $50 extra for an inferior card to the FE....
 
I wonder if there will be periodic restocks like the 4070S or if it is just gone now. I got an order in for the Gigabyte GV-N408SGAMING on Amazon last night but it is a later February ship and I don't feel like paying $50 extra for an inferior card to the FE....
Wow at least you got an order confirmed. I've never even been able to see the 4080 Super as an option on Amazon and believe me I've looked a few times.
 
Wow at least you got an order confirmed. I've never even been able to see the 4080 Super as an option on Amazon and believe me I've looked a few times.
It was on reddit for a couple of hours and a link from a sketchy stock tracking site (https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1af1ni6/amazon_just_dropped_4080_super/) - you had to know the specific URL, I guess. I am sure I was order number 5,382 hence my late ETA. I can go grab one at my local Micro Center today but really want an FE...it's a bummer that the 4080 cheese grater from MSI is a disappointment cooling-wise (not that it matters that much) - so definitely not worth the extra $170...

EDIT: my MC has the 4080S TUF for $999 so maybe I'll run out to try to get that.

EDIT2: got a TUF for $999.99!
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EDIT3: installed! https://valid.x86.fr/jv831d
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(MSI Gaming Trio RTX 4090 shown on the right - "downgrading" my son's rig in preparation for Q4 '24's new GPUs... :)
 
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I think you will be okay on 4K. You always have DLSS/FSR in your corner if you need it.

True, I just don't want to get sucked into the upgrade cycle which feels more like a possibility with 4K, but seems foolish to buy a 4080 S and not play 4K lol.
 
considering I am on an rtx 2070.... and monitor/vid card are my last for new build (i9-13900k, thermal take tower 900, m2 drives), i will go 4070 ti and not wait
 
the biggest feature on the 4080 Super is the $1000 price tag...should have been $800...but $1000 is still better than $1200

I think this is why I'm skipping this generation now...I just can't stomach paying $1000 for basically a 2 year old card that's getting replaced by the next gen in a year. If it were $800 then yeah. I guess I'll go RTX 5080 and hope it's not $1400 at launch, require 2 12hwpwr connections and weight 18lbs.

I can't believe I'm saying this but for the first time in 20 years of gaming I'm actually looking at AMD. If they drop that 7900XTX price to $799 again I might just do it, damn it.
 
Were you able to secure a 4080 Super for yourself in Canada or did they sell out too fast?
Way too much here - for me. I knew it would be pretty bad - but, my hope for 4080s to be reduced was dashed. The ppl saying Nvidia/retailers won't care were right - nothing happened. I think it's insane but no one cares - I guess both Nvidia and all these vendors don't care if these cards sit in their stores.

The 4080 Super meanwhile, was priced pretty close to what I thought - higher than the $999 USD (conversion rate) so yes, we have the 'Canuck Tax.' In Canada, the cheapest 4080 Super, atm, is the Gigabyte Winforce at $1379 (w/ tax: $1560) - although, quite a few 4080 Supers sold out. That includes the Asus Tuf 4080 Super - at $1379 (sold out).

USD equivalent or converted to USD: $1030 USD (w/ tax total: ???? Depends on your state sales tax or?)

A couple of used 4080s @ $1000 - sold or were scammers - both ads were gone from the sites I visit in 2 days. Other used 4080s are, on average, $1400 and up - they haven't reduced their price so they aren't in a rush to sell, I guess.

The cheapest used 4080s I found are $1300 CAD - I think that's too much - I guess I could try to get them to lower their price? If you sell a used gpu - how much lower do you guys go? $50? $100? : ) I thought $1000 was fair but maybe it's too low? Very discouraged now. I guess I'm waiting a bit longer - either not buying anything or I'll wait for someone desperate who isn't a scammer.

I really don't want to throw up my hands and look at 4070 Ti Supers. :-/

They're basically gimped/crippled 4080s, right? The 4080 Super is a somewhat 'improved' or enhanced 4080 that is now priced a bit lower - what it should have been - or it's still too high depending on who you ask? Yeah, I'm bummed out, man. :-(

Sorry for my long reply.
 
Ugh, don't really have the time to play the refresh and checkout game. Wish there was a queue I could sit in for a couple weeks and guarantee a card at msrp.
 
Ugh, don't really have the time to play the refresh and checkout game. Wish there was a queue I could sit in for a couple weeks and guarantee a card at msrp.

You may still be able to. The 4070 Super FE was in stock on BB when I checked earlier. Depending on the card I wouldn't be surprised in a few weeks if they are readily available.
 
You may still be able to. The 4070 Super FE was in stock on BB when I checked earlier. Depending on the card I wouldn't be surprised in a few weeks if they are readily available.
Looking to nab a 4080S, I'm coming from a 3080Ti and really want the ray tracing performance for CP2077.
 
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I was debating selling my 4090 and downgrading to a 4080 Super, but since I game at 4k and even though the 4080S would be plenty for most games, some games like Alan Wake 2 hammer my 4090....so I decided against it even though I had a 4080S in cart. If it had been a little more performance uplift I think I would have done it, but the gap between it and the 4090 is still pretty decent.
 
Way too much here - for me. I knew it would be pretty bad - but, my hope for 4080s to be reduced was dashed. The ppl saying Nvidia/retailers won't care were right - nothing happened. I think it's insane but no one cares - I guess both Nvidia and all these vendors don't care if these cards sit in their stores.

The 4080 Super meanwhile, was priced pretty close to what I thought - higher than the $999 USD (conversion rate) so yes, we have the 'Canuck Tax.' In Canada, the cheapest 4080 Super, atm, is the Gigabyte Winforce at $1379 (w/ tax: $1560) - although, quite a few 4080 Supers sold out. That includes the Asus Tuf 4080 Super - at $1379 (sold out).

USD equivalent or converted to USD: $1030 USD (w/ tax total: ???? Depends on your state sales tax or?)

A couple of used 4080s @ $1000 - sold or were scammers - both ads were gone from the sites I visit in 2 days. Other used 4080s are, on average, $1400 and up - they haven't reduced their price so they aren't in a rush to sell, I guess.

The cheapest used 4080s I found are $1300 CAD - I think that's too much - I guess I could try to get them to lower their price? If you sell a used gpu - how much lower do you guys go? $50? $100? : ) I thought $1000 was fair but maybe it's too low? Very discouraged now. I guess I'm waiting a bit longer - either not buying anything or I'll wait for someone desperate who isn't a scammer.

I really don't want to throw up my hands and look at 4070 Ti Supers. :-/

They're basically gimped/crippled 4080s, right? The 4080 Super is a somewhat 'improved' or enhanced 4080 that is now priced a bit lower - what it should have been - or it's still too high depending on who you ask? Yeah, I'm bummed out, man. :-(

Sorry for my long reply.

So the thing about the 4070 Ti Super is that it's just an upgraded 4070 Ti. I believe it beats the old 4070 Ti by about 8%. That means even with the boosted memory its performance is more suitable for 1440P than 4k.

Just forget about it ever matching or beating any flavor of 4080.

However keep in mind that if all you are running is 1440P the 4070 Ti Super might be a suitable alternative solution if the 4080 is just too sky high expensive in your area.

The increased 16GB of VRAM gives you a bit of future proofing even if the performance doesn't really push you comfortably into 4K.

Assuming that you can find one at the MSRP that is.

What are you running now? If it is acceptable for your current use, it might be best to wait for price cuts or the next generation of video cards although that could be a year away.

It's kinda weird how AMD is hardlly cutting their prices at all in reaction to the Super series. 7900XT is only $50 less than the 4070 Ti Super and 7900XTX is only $50 less than the 4080 Super here in the US.

That's what made me pick Nvidia. AMD's pricing strategy feels like a weirdly inadequate response to the 40XX Super Launch. I bet you if they had cut the 7900XT and 7900XTX by about $150, a lot more people would consider buying team Red instead.
 
So the thing about the 4070 Ti Super is that it's just an upgraded 4070 Ti. I believe it beats the old 4070 Ti by about 8%. That means even with the boosted memory its performance is more suitable for 1440P than 4k.

Just forget about it ever matching or beating any flavor of 4080.

However keep in mind that if all you are running is 1440P the 4070 Ti Super might be a suitable alternative solution if the 4080 is just too sky high expensive in your area.

The increased 16GB of VRAM gives you a bit of future proofing even if the performance doesn't really push you comfortably into 4K.

Assuming that you can find one at the MSRP that is.

What are you running now? If it is acceptable for your current use, it might be best to wait for price cuts or the next generation of video cards although that could be a year away.

It's kinda weird how AMD is hardlly cutting their prices at all in reaction to the Super series. 7900XT is only $50 less than the 4070 Ti Super and 7900XTX is only $50 less than the 4080 Super here in the US.

That's what made me pick Nvidia. AMD's pricing strategy feels like a weirdly inadequate response to the 40XX Super Launch. I bet you if they had cut the 7900XT and 7900XTX by about $150, a lot more people would consider buying team Red instead.
Running a 1660 Ti that isn't mine - since, I sold a 3080 10gb I had - but, didn't have a replacement ready.

My display is a 4K TV - so, I prefer 4k gaming - 60 hz at least - just as I anticipated, the 4070 Ti Super would be 'okay' but not really.... That's why I was hoping for a lower priced 4080 but it's a bad situation - as expected like some ppl said on here. :-(

The 7900 XTX should have already lowered - in price - for new/retail cards - the fact they're sitting slightly above the 4080 Super (STILL) is pretty pathetic. I have strong sentiments on the entire situation but I am convinced that AMD and Nvidia are in collusion - they don't care about selling their cards - they have a price ceiling they want and are just leaving the prices as is - the retailers don't want to pay for the discounts so they go along with it.

I don't know where I said it but I have mentioned somewhere - that I have never seen anyone buy a 7900 XT or XTX in the stores I occasionally visit - nor do I know anyone who has bought one - sure, I rarely go to the local PC store - but, I have gone there and ppl have walked out with a 4080 or 4090 (sometimes).

The reason I didn't pursue a 7900 XTX is a) the price is still high - I've found one used for $1150 but it might be sold or 'fake ad' - like the 4080s I found for the same price - but, I haven't inquired anyway - it's an XFX; and b) I want Nvidia for CUDA, OptiX for Blender, supposedly better support for video editing/codecs etc. - and all-around more features - but, that's the main reason. Oh, also, the 40 series appears to be more power efficient, too... Although, if the AMD gpus suddenly drop in price, should I consider one? This is so stressful and frustrating... :-(
 
The 7900 XTX should have already lowered - in price - for new/retail cards - the fact they're sitting slightly above the 4080 Super (STILL) is pretty pathetic. I have strong sentiments on the entire situation but I am convinced that AMD and Nvidia are in collusion - they don't care about selling their cards - they have a price ceiling they want and are just leaving the prices as is - the retailers don't want to pay for the discounts so they go along with it.
I was going to say, maybe they had issue making perfect chips and do not have much a big volume of 7900xtx to sells for the long window they have to sell them (if the rumors of the next launch will not be for cards that remove the 7900xtx of the market as the top AMD performer are true) or maybe they are just waiting for near MSRP 4080 super to not be out of stock to cut the price.

Everything is out of stock on newegg, amazon and bestbuy for the 4080 super, making it a bit of a yet to fully impact the market by being actually something people can buy.
 
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Running a 1660 Ti that isn't mine - since, I sold a 3080 10gb I had - but, didn't have a replacement ready.

My display is a 4K TV - so, I prefer 4k gaming - 60 hz at least - just as I anticipated, the 4070 Ti Super would be 'okay' but not really.... That's why I was hoping for a lower priced 4080 but it's a bad situation - as expected like some ppl said on here. :-(

The 7900 XTX should have already lowered - in price - for new/retail cards - the fact they're sitting slightly above the 4080 Super (STILL) is pretty pathetic. I have strong sentiments on the entire situation but I am convinced that AMD and Nvidia are in collusion - they don't care about selling their cards - they have a price ceiling they want and are just leaving the prices as is - the retailers don't want to pay for the discounts so they go along with it.

I don't know where I said it but I have mentioned somewhere - that I have never seen anyone buy a 7900 XT or XTX in the stores I occasionally visit - nor do I know anyone who has bought one - sure, I rarely go to the local PC store - but, I have gone there and ppl have walked out with a 4080 or 4090 (sometimes).

The reason I didn't pursue a 7900 XTX is a) the price is still high - I've found one used for $1150 but it might be sold or 'fake ad' - like the 4080s I found for the same price - but, I haven't inquired anyway - it's an XFX; and b) I want Nvidia for CUDA, OptiX for Blender, supposedly better support for video editing/codecs etc. - and all-around more features - but, that's the main reason. Oh, also, the 40 series appears to be more power efficient, too... Although, if the AMD gpus suddenly drop in price, should I consider one? This is so stressful and frustrating... :-(
I feel for you. The pricing situation sounds crazy in Canada.

Although Nvidia makes the best card for what sounds your case usage the prices are just too high.

Maybe what you can do is look for the 7900XT new for under $1000. With the 20GB frame buffer it won't run out of memory for 4K.

And if you turn down the settings a little to like High instead of Ultra, you're likely to hit 60FPS+ because it does have strong raster performance, but it won't give you strong ray tracing performance, DLSS, or the other Nvidia goodies.

But at least it will be a LOT better than a 1660 Ti.

Here's one on sale now at Canada Computers for $989.

Link: https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_557_558&item_id=244063

Is that a good deal for your area?

Pros and Cons of 3080 vs 7900XT: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3080-vs-AMD-RX-7900-XT/4080vs4141

Something to consider. Maybe you want to hold out for a better deal. But whatever you decide best of luck to you with your GPU hunt!
 
Wake me up when I can get one sub-$800 :p

For those who don't realize, this is half-sarcasm. I in no way have the budget at the moment for such a thing, but if money and principles weren't an issue I'd bite. IF it were $800...
 
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Way too much here - for me. I knew it would be pretty bad - but, my hope for 4080s to be reduced was dashed. The ppl saying Nvidia/retailers won't care were right - nothing happened. I think it's insane but no one cares - I guess both Nvidia and all these vendors don't care if these cards sit in their stores.

The 4080 Super meanwhile, was priced pretty close to what I thought - higher than the $999 USD (conversion rate) so yes, we have the 'Canuck Tax.' In Canada, the cheapest 4080 Super, atm, is the Gigabyte Winforce at $1379 (w/ tax: $1560) - although, quite a few 4080 Supers sold out. That includes the Asus Tuf 4080 Super - at $1379 (sold out).

USD equivalent or converted to USD: $1030 USD (w/ tax total: ???? Depends on your state sales tax or?)

A couple of used 4080s @ $1000 - sold or were scammers - both ads were gone from the sites I visit in 2 days. Other used 4080s are, on average, $1400 and up - they haven't reduced their price so they aren't in a rush to sell, I guess.

The cheapest used 4080s I found are $1300 CAD - I think that's too much - I guess I could try to get them to lower their price? If you sell a used gpu - how much lower do you guys go? $50? $100? : ) I thought $1000 was fair but maybe it's too low? Very discouraged now. I guess I'm waiting a bit longer - either not buying anything or I'll wait for someone desperate who isn't a scammer.

I really don't want to throw up my hands and look at 4070 Ti Supers. :-/

They're basically gimped/crippled 4080s, right? The 4080 Super is a somewhat 'improved' or enhanced 4080 that is now priced a bit lower - what it should have been - or it's still too high depending on who you ask? Yeah, I'm bummed out, man. :-(

Sorry for my long reply.
Used 4080's in Canada must drop down to $1100-1200 max in my view. Used cards should cost less than a new card pre-tax by at least $100-200. Sellers of course are often delusional and will sit on listings for months until accepting the price landscape has changed. Just keep hitting new listings with a reasonable price offer on a used 4080 if you want, eventually someone motivated to sell (cash strapped, upgrading (to what?)) will take a reasonable offer.
 
We've all heard the rumors - a 4080 Super, 4070 Ti Super, and 4070 Super versions are slated to come out in 2024. They will include slightly buffed CUDA core counts but more importantly increased VRAM, reportedly 20GB on the 4080 Super and 16GB on the 4070 Super variants.

This is a much needed upgrade for 4k and up resolutions as games are devouring more and more video memory than ever.

So what would you do if you had money saved, JUMP on one of the Super variants coming out soon or WAIT for the 5 series which will probably be faster but also very HARD to buy on launch?
4090 or 4090TI if one ever arrives but not until 5000 series is released and hopefully the price on the 40 series plummets. I got what i consider to be a great deal on my 3090 using that method.
 
Used 4080's in Canada must drop down to $1100-1200 max in my view. Used cards should cost less than a new card pre-tax by at least $100-200. Sellers of course are often delusional and will sit on listings for months until accepting the price landscape has changed. Just keep hitting new listings with a reasonable price offer on a used 4080 if you want, eventually someone motivated to sell (cash strapped, upgrading (to what?)) will take a reasonable offer.
Ppl are insane then? Or just greedy #$##$? I see $1400 and up - sometimes, there's a couple of $1200 cards but they're outside my area - so, what do I do? Ask if they'd go a bit lower? Ask to ship it - that's stupid, right? Risky without knowing the seller? The price landscape changed a while ago - with the crypto craze - but, shouldn't it settle by now? I think it's ppl who don't need money who already bought these cards? Because, I rarely see the prices fluctuate or decrease - and ppl (not many, mind you) have stated firm on their ads and kept to that - although, my sample size is pretty small - I have only chatted with 3 sellers thus far - well, 4 - but 2 disappeared (and so did the ads).

These cards are in pretty big demand right now - I guess the hype of raster!!! and AMD 7900 xtx - being great cards - seems to be ignored? The Nvidia gpus seem to be in demand because these prices are so high - even used - and any seller who becomes 'cash strapped' is able to sell pretty fast by just lowering the price the amount you're mentioning. I'm wary/reluctant to pursue a gpu seller who is far away/outside my area who lists a price around $1100 - that's my upper limit and I don't want to be broke after buying it (for a few weeks) - but, that's also a semi-good price for this gpu, anyway - but, then I have a hard time trusting....
 
Just swapped my MSI 1660 to ASUS 4070 O Super and that was worth the wait. If I was hurting for money I would have rolled back to just a 4070 on their new discount, but I'll be darned if this new card doesn't rip!
 
Ppl are insane then? Or just greedy #$##$? I see $1400 and up - sometimes, there's a couple of $1200 cards but they're outside my area - so, what do I do? Ask if they'd go a bit lower? Ask to ship it - that's stupid, right? Risky without knowing the seller? The price landscape changed a while ago - with the crypto craze - but, shouldn't it settle by now? I think it's ppl who don't need money who already bought these cards? Because, I rarely see the prices fluctuate or decrease - and ppl (not many, mind you) have stated firm on their ads and kept to that - although, my sample size is pretty small - I have only chatted with 3 sellers thus far - well, 4 - but 2 disappeared (and so did the ads).

These cards are in pretty big demand right now - I guess the hype of raster!!! and AMD 7900 xtx - being great cards - seems to be ignored? The Nvidia gpus seem to be in demand because these prices are so high - even used - and any seller who becomes 'cash strapped' is able to sell pretty fast by just lowering the price the amount you're mentioning. I'm wary/reluctant to pursue a gpu seller who is far away/outside my area who lists a price around $1100 - that's my upper limit and I don't want to be broke after buying it (for a few weeks) - but, that's also a semi-good price for this gpu, anyway - but, then I have a hard time trusting....
The 7900xtx is partially ignored due to low RT performance. E.g. I have a 3080 and it is doing fine in 1440p outside of ray tracing. Going to a 7900xtx would give me better raster, but just a tiny upgrade to RT and no DLSS. I wouldn't mind a 7800xt or higher from AMD in my sim racing rig, as I don't do RT on that one but at the same time all titles I use it for run at least 60fps on average with the settings I want.
 
RTX-5xxx series launching this Fall, why buy the soon to be outdated 4090 now? The 5090 is rumored to be 200% faster, seriously.


Moores Law podcast has stated that the 5090 will launch this Fall, and to expect a 50 ish % increase in Raster vs the 4090 , and a 85% , real world, in Raytracing performance. I am going to get a 5090FE asap.
 
Moores Law podcast has stated that the 5090 will launch this Fall, and to expect a 50 ish % increase in Raster vs the 4090 , and a 85% , real world, in Raytracing performance. I am going to get a 5090FE asap.

Aww man now that Moore's Law claims that's what the performance gains are, it won't happen :ROFLMAO:
 
Aww man now that Moore's Law claims that's what the performance gains are, it won't happen :ROFLMAO:


Tom very recently said both raster and RT perf will be a good chunk faster still,then 50/85% then a 4090 FE. After seeing the 208+ Billion(Versus the 76.3 Billion in AD102) transistor Blackwell for AI,etc, I beleive the new 5090 perf claims from Moores Law.
 
Tom very recently said both raster and RT perf will be a good chunk faster still,then 50/85% then a 4090 FE. After seeing the 208+ Billion(Versus the 76.3 Billion in AD102) transistor Blackwell for AI,etc, I beleive the new 5090 perf claims from Moores Law.
Not sure why you trust anything from that source.
 
Not sure why you trust anything from that source.

The insane jump in transistor count alone, is a major reason. Tom said the jump would be as good or better then the 4090 ,months ago, long before anyone knew the size of Blackwell. #2 ? Kyle has talked up Moores Law in a good light on multiplw occasions,and corrected me saying Tom is clearly connected,as Kyles info was the same from Kyles behind the scenes indusrty sources. Kyles words.
 
Tom very recently said both raster and RT perf will be a good chunk faster still,then 50/85% then a 4090 FE. After seeing the 208+ Billion(Versus the 76.3 Billion in AD102) transistor Blackwell for AI,etc, I beleive the new 5090 perf claims from Moores Law.

Let's see if you still believe him when the 5090 actually comes out.
 
After seeing the 208+ Billion(Versus the 76.3 Billion in AD102) transistor Blackwell for AI,etc,
That 2 chips connected together maybe a la M1 ultra or an other technic to combine 2 die together (2x104B), look how much bigger it is :

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H100 to B100 It is more in some 80B->104B range, they have a revised new TSMC 4NP node vs their previous special TSMC 4N node, but not some new TSMC 3nm branded one, the giant gain seen are more from architecture-software-networking change for task that do not take advantage of them it is more normal ones , I am not sure if they will use something like that and make giant chips for the gaming section (we can assume not, if they do it it will be 2 small die together to have really high yield not to make some monster 1200mm (2x600) gaming chip).

How much of a clue that the B100-B200 specs give us for the gaming side of things... ? If we assume Nvidia go for that node on the desktop part that would be one indication, this could be the worst node update in a while, Ampere gained 82% in density, Lovelace was a ridiculous 278%, going from TSMC 4 to TSMC 4 this time around could be 30%.

Could be a massive architecture change too, they have the R&D budget and had a long time, since mid 2020 at the very least, being working on it.
 
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Let's see if you still believe him when the 5090 actually comes out.


Right.

If nothing else the Officially NVDA Announced Transistor count of the 'AI' version.... amount,pretty much Nails it,and that is not rumor or hear say , its about the size it would need to be,(search my post history on Moores Law is Dead.

I for Years ripped him at every opportunty)to carry on with a extremely similar size and level of Perf.,thats most of the battle right there. Amazing guesswork, or Tom at Moores Law is connected within the Computer community ,as Kyle Bennett agrees,or did a few years back,as I attacked Tom a hell of a lot! Kyle publily took me yoyasl on this very forum, told everyone I was dead wrong about Tom.
 
Right.

If nothing else the Officially NVDA Announced Transistor count of the 'AI' version.... amount,pretty much Nails it,and that is not rumor or hear say , its about the size it would need to be,(search my post history on Moores Law is Dead.

I for Years ripped him at every opportunty)to carry on with a extremely similar size and level of Perf.,thats most of the battle right there. Amazing guesswork, or Tom at Moores Law is connected within the Computer community ,as Kyle Bennett agrees,or did a few years back,as I attacked Tom a hell of a lot! Kyle publily took me yoyasl on this very forum, told everyone I was dead wrong about Tom.

Sure he could be right, but he could also be wrong. From his Lovelace leak he was both right and wrong so yeah I guess anythings possible. AD102 is indeed about 65-70% faster than Ampere so that's spot on, but read the second point and you'll probably LOL at what actually ended up happening.


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