Intel Core i9-14900KS

LukeTbk said:
And some people consider the $1000 price tag of that 4080 super to be ridiculously high.
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Isn't it? 10 years ago an 80 class card cost you between $500-600. Now it's literally double that. I'm reasonably sure inflation hasn't been quite that bad.
 
Mr. Bluntman said:
Isn't it? 10 years ago an 80 class card cost you between $500-600. Now it's literally double that. I'm reasonably sure inflation hasn't been quite that bad.
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10 years ago a Gtx 780 that launched ~$865 in today dollar yes.

But that the point if 380mm of TSMC special NVIDIA node that come with 16 GDDR6X on a mini computer with a giant fancy cooler costing $1000 is ridiculous, what does it say with 257mm of very modest node with nothing else costing the same ? (How much R&D happened between this and the original 13900k, can we imagine the margin we are talking about here...)

They are good reason, one is making and selling over a million unit, the other is a very niche product and so on, but because of the cpu pricing history (and that in the past so much more work went into their hand crafted design vs GPU that could get away with VHDL and launch a new generation every year and when they were just for work had none of the enterprise validation-security, etc... cost going on) it seems we are mentally way more lenient on the price and margin.
 
LukeTbk said:
10 years ago a Gtx 780 that launched ~$865 in today dollar yes.
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I'm certain that it was the GTX 980 that launched in November/December 2014 at an equivalent of $719 in today's money. $799 IMO is a reasonable price for the 4080 vanilla if all was said and done. But no, nVIDIA charged $1,200 for an 80 series card this generation. 50% more expensive? It's price gouging. Then again,
LukeTbk said:
But that the point if 380mm of TSMC special NVIDIA node that come with 16 GDDR6X on a mini computer with a giant fancy cooler costing $1000 is ridiculous, what does it say with 257mm of very modest node with nothing else costing the same ? (How much R&D happened between this and the original 13900k, can we imagine the margin we are talking about here...)
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We're talking about Apple-like margins at this point. I think we can agree on that? Intel is making a killing on these halo parts. Same for the Extremely Expensive editions of CPUs. I still remember parts like the Athlon 64 FX-62 or Intel's Core 2 Quad QX6700 costing an even thou. Pepperidge Farm remembers...
LukeTbk said:
They are good reason, one is making and selling over a million unit, the other is a very niche product and so on, but because of the cpu pricing history (and that in the past so much more work went into their hand crafted design vs GPU that could get away with VHDL and launch a new generation every year and when they were just for work had none of the enterprise validation-security, etc... cost going on) it seems we are mentally way more lenient on the price and margin.
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If one has the luxury of being lenient...
 
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dogDAbone said:
Target audience:
A) Peeps who think they just HAVE to have the "latest & greatest"
B) Peeps who have more $$ than brains...(sometimes synonymous with A above)
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Definitely liquid hellium overclockers will be interrested in 14900KF to break some records... https://hwbot.org/benchmark/cpu_frequency/halloffame
Otherwise not sure who will have cooling for this CPU
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I run my 13900KF with direct die water cooling and I cannot imagine running this CPU at stock at 100% load without ramping pump speeds to insane levels.
 
So after playing with mt shit sp101 KS, I sold it and bought another k

Let's just say the k I got with a sp96 blows that KS out of the water.... Running 5.9 all core static 1.35v...best on KS was 5.5 1.35 and the temps were awful...unless you get a sp115 KS stick with the k
 
xDiVolatilX said:
Which direct die block are you using?
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ICE-DWB12 - got it second hand with already delidded 13900KF.
Currently running 5.6GHz on six cores, 5.7GHz on two and 4.5GHz on sixteen at 1.32V.
It is not optimal at all and I will probably drop to 5.6GHz all P-core as that needed much lower voltage or perhaps add +1 on some multipliers or do all 5.7GHz.
Without HT I get CPU hitting 80'C in Cinebench R23 after it runs for a while on Alphacool Eiswand 360 running at reduced speed. Comparing to some results like der8aurer my setup runs hotter but there are multiple factors to consider. I didn't do direct die vs IHS comparisons to know how much better this 13900KF with this loop runs direct die.
Outside Prime95 temps are a non-issue. Compiling programs temps are below 80'C which given nature of the beast is a good result. In games I didn't even bother to check.

Since 2005/2006 all my CPUs cooked at >90'C at full load with some operating (at least individual cores) barely below 115'C to avoid shutdown. This includes 13600KF 5.4/4.3GHz with Noctua NH-D15S that was crazy hot so going from 14 to 24 cores at 80'C in Cinebench I consider amazing improvement. Running pump/fans at full speed gets at least 5'C lower temps if not more. I am also pretty sure I could get lower temps by optimizing length of water pipes and removing quick-connects as they might impede the water flow. Then again at longer 100% load scenarios like mulling over something for few hours its much more sensible to get clocks/voltages down to where CPU resembles efficient rather than squeezing last bit performance out of it to safe few minutes of time and even if I do that there is certainly some hadroom to push more current in to the CPU.

BTW Imho Intel should sell KF CPUs delidded... or rather never lidded. If they did then this there would be very good reason in itself to get one. The 13900KF I got the guy almost killed by using knife on it.

Here is the video about ICE block:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH9f_qNiumw
I don't get as nice temps as those but again there are multiple factors to consider.
 
XoR_ said:
ICE-DWB12 - got it second hand with already delidded 13900KF.
Currently running 5.6GHz on six cores, 5.7GHz on two and 4.5GHz on sixteen at 1.32V.
It is not optimal at all and I will probably drop to 5.6GHz all P-core as that needed much lower voltage or perhaps add +1 on some multipliers or do all 5.7GHz.
Without HT I get CPU hitting 80'C in Cinebench R23 after it runs for a while on Alphacool Eiswand 360 running at reduced speed. Comparing to some results like der8aurer my setup runs hotter but there are multiple factors to consider. I didn't do direct die vs IHS comparisons to know how much better this 13900KF with this loop runs direct die.
Outside Prime95 temps are a non-issue. Compiling programs temps are below 80'C which given nature of the beast is a good result. In games I didn't even bother to check.

Since 2005/2006 all my CPUs cooked at >90'C at full load with some operating (at least individual cores) barely below 115'C to avoid shutdown. This includes 13600KF 5.4/4.3GHz with Noctua NH-D15S that was crazy hot so going from 14 to 24 cores at 80'C in Cinebench I consider amazing improvement. Running pump/fans at full speed gets at least 5'C lower temps if not more. I am also pretty sure I could get lower temps by optimizing length of water pipes and removing quick-connects as they might impede the water flow. Then again at longer 100% load scenarios like mulling over something for few hours its much more sensible to get clocks/voltages down to where CPU resembles efficient rather than squeezing last bit performance out of it to safe few minutes of time and even if I do that there is certainly some hadroom to push more current in to the CPU.

BTW Imho Intel should sell KF CPUs delidded... or rather never lidded. If they did then this there would be very good reason in itself to get one. The 13900KF I got the guy almost killed by using knife on it.

Here is the video about ICE block:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH9f_qNiumw
I don't get as nice temps as those but again there are multiple factors to consider.
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I have one of these for sale in the FS/FT for $60
 
XoR_ said:
ICE-DWB12 - got it second hand with already delidded 13900KF.
Currently running 5.6GHz on six cores, 5.7GHz on two and 4.5GHz on sixteen at 1.32V.
It is not optimal at all and I will probably drop to 5.6GHz all P-core as that needed much lower voltage or perhaps add +1 on some multipliers or do all 5.7GHz.
Without HT I get CPU hitting 80'C in Cinebench R23 after it runs for a while on Alphacool Eiswand 360 running at reduced speed. Comparing to some results like der8aurer my setup runs hotter but there are multiple factors to consider. I didn't do direct die vs IHS comparisons to know how much better this 13900KF with this loop runs direct die.
Outside Prime95 temps are a non-issue. Compiling programs temps are below 80'C which given nature of the beast is a good result. In games I didn't even bother to check.

Since 2005/2006 all my CPUs cooked at >90'C at full load with some operating (at least individual cores) barely below 115'C to avoid shutdown. This includes 13600KF 5.4/4.3GHz with Noctua NH-D15S that was crazy hot so going from 14 to 24 cores at 80'C in Cinebench I consider amazing improvement. Running pump/fans at full speed gets at least 5'C lower temps if not more. I am also pretty sure I could get lower temps by optimizing length of water pipes and removing quick-connects as they might impede the water flow. Then again at longer 100% load scenarios like mulling over something for few hours its much more sensible to get clocks/voltages down to where CPU resembles efficient rather than squeezing last bit performance out of it to safe few minutes of time and even if I do that there is certainly some hadroom to push more current in to the CPU.

BTW Imho Intel should sell KF CPUs delidded... or rather never lidded. If they did then this there would be very good reason in itself to get one. The 13900KF I got the guy almost killed by using knife on it.

Here is the video about ICE block:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH9f_qNiumw
I don't get as nice temps as those but again there are multiple factors to consider.
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Are you running just one 360 rad? I think that might be the bottleneck, if you had another two radiators for a total of three it would probably be ideal which is what Der8aur was running. If I was in your position I would definitely add a couple of more radiators just for fun and performance obviously not necessary at all and you're okay the way it is meaning just to maximize it you know
 
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