Pressure grows on Apple to open up iMessage

LodeRunner said:
Seems like users in the millennial and younger category have some fear of being judged by iPhone wielding peers that their messages show up as green instead of blue due to being bog standard SMS vs iMessage.
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Not just younger gen. Even texting with women in their 30's and 40's, let's say from dating apps, a lot of them will be like "ugh you have android". But more often than not, the ones mentioning it turn out to dingdongs for myriad other reasons, so it can be valuable insight early.

You gotta give Apple props because product sales is not truly about selling products, but the creation and management of perception. And if Samsung were in Apple's position they would be behaving exactly the same WRT iMessage, FaceTime, and other proprietaries staying locked down.

The only small chance at Apple integrating RCS would be something like the EU muscling them into it, like how the switch to USB-C happened. Hashtags and Twitter campaigns are going to do fuckall. But I don't fault Apple at all.
 
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KazeoHin said:
Apple has a product. Apple choses what features to put in that product.

The consumer is not forced to buy Apple products.

The consumer can choose not to buy Apple products if Apple does not include features the consumer wants.

Like, how hard is this to understand?
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Except is a phone. A device that's meant to communicate with others. Not a car. Not a video game. A phone which is supposed to allow you to communicate with someone else regardless of the the model, or manufacturer of the device. These devices dating back to the 1906 telegraph all ran on a STANDARD and universal one. Why the "consumer can choose" brigade misses this entire point is freaking amazing really.
 
kac77 said:
Except is a phone. A device that's meant to communicate with others. Not a car. Not a video game. A phone which is supposed to allow you to communicate with someone else regardless of the the model, or manufacturer of the device. These devices dating back to the 1906 telegraph all ran on a STANDARD and universal one. Why the "consumer can choose" brigade misses this entire point is freaking amazing really.
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Please explain, in detail, how iMessage with SMS fallback prevents people from communicating.
 
DPI said:
Not just younger gen. Even texting with women in their 30's and 40's, let's say from dating apps, and a lot of them will be like "ugh you have android". But more often than not, the ones mentioning it turn out to dingdongs for myriad other reasons, so it's valuable insight early.

You gotta give Apple props because product sales are not actually about selling products, but the creation and management of perception. And if Samsung were in Apple's position they would be behaving exactly the same WRT iMessage, FaceTime, and other proprietaries staying locked down.

The only small chance at Apple integrating RCS would be something like the EU muscling them into it, like how the switch to USB-C happened. Hashtags and Twitter campaigns are going to do fuckall.
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And if they did adopt RCS it would hopefully be one lacking RBM, because that Google-propagated garbage can die in a fire.
 
kac77 said:
Except is a phone. A device that's meant to communicate with others. Not a car. Not a video game. A phone which is supposed to allow you to communicate with someone else regardless of the the model, or manufacturer of the device. These devices dating back to the 1906 telegraph all ran on a STANDARD and universal one. Why the "consumer can choose" brigade misses this entire point is freaking amazing really.
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Says Tone vs Pule dial.
 
kac77 said:
Except is a phone. A device that's meant to communicate with others. Not a car. Not a video game. A phone which is supposed to allow you to communicate with someone else regardless of the the model, or manufacturer of the device. These devices dating back to the 1906 telegraph all ran on a STANDARD and universal one. Why the "consumer can choose" brigade misses this entire point is freaking amazing really.
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Huh? Any iPhone can message any phone on the planet via SMS or whatever other messaging app you want.

If you want the luxury of iMessage buy an apple product. It’s that simple.

Incredible how apple is supposed to basically improve android by giving them iMessage.
 
Mchart said:
Huh? Any iPhone can message any phone on the planet via SMS or whatever other messaging app you want.
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SMS is being phased out. It's amazing you didn't know this.
Mchart said:
If you want the luxury of iMessage buy an apple product. It’s that simple.
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This isn't about luxury. This is about a proprietary communication standard for something as ubiquitous as a phone.
Mchart said:
Incredible how apple is supposed to basically improve android by giving them iMessage.
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They don't have to do that. All anyone is asking them to do is either A) open their standard (which they won't) or B) adopt a universal one.
 
kac77 said:
Except is a phone. A device that's meant to communicate with others. Not a car. Not a video game. A phone which is supposed to allow you to communicate with someone else regardless of the the model, or manufacturer of the device. These devices dating back to the 1906 telegraph all ran on a STANDARD and universal one. Why the "consumer can choose" brigade misses this entire point is freaking amazing really.
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Well, it CAN communicate with other devices via SMS, MMS, various apps like Messenger, instagram, snapchat.

Once again. If the product does not have a feature that merits your purchase, don't purchase it. If people continue to purchase the product, then it's obviously not that important of a feature.

Obviously it's not that big of an issue if Tim Cook has to build another pool for his extra swimming cash. Stop throwing your money at a company then complain that they keep doing exactly what they did before to get your money.
 
kac77 said:
SMS is being phased out. It's amazing you didn't know this.

This isn't about luxury. This is about a proprietary communication standard for something as ubiquitous as a phone.

They don't have to do that. All anyone is asking them to do is either A) open their standard (which they won't) or B) adopt a universal one.
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Ok? So it sounds like more reason for Android to not support iMessage? WTF are you on about? As if Apple wouldn't adopt whatever new messaging cell standard every major wireless carrier adopts after SMS.

Again, why is it Apple's obligation to make iMessage an open standard? If RCS replaces SMS, Apple will adopt RCS into iMessage. Either way, your claim that 'SMS is being phased out' is just wrong. There is absolutely no agreement between wireless carriers, phone manufacturers, the government, etc as to what is going to replace SMS/MMS at this time. At the end of the day Apple supports the currently supported messaging standard of SMS/MMS. Anything else you want to claim is just stupid.
 
Mchart said:
Ok? So it sounds like more reason for Android to not support iMessage? WTF are you on about? As if Apple wouldn't adopt whatever new messaging cell standard every major wireless carrier adopts after SMS.
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It's not, literally the point of the article.
Mchart said:
Again, why is it Apple's obligation to make iMessage an open standard?
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Because everyone else on planet Earth is using an open standard.
Mchart said:
If RCS replaces SMS, Apple will adopt RCS into iMessage.
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It's not adopting it fully. Again the point of the article.
Mchart said:
Either way, your claim that 'SMS is being phased out' is just wrong.
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It's literally being phased out. Don't know what else to say about it. Here you go.
Mchart said:
There is absolutely no agreement between wireless carriers, phone manufacturers, the government, etc as to what is going to replace SMS/MMS at this time. At the end of the day Apple supports the currently supported messaging standard of SMS/MMS. Anything else you want to claim is just stupid.
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When you don't like something do you just stick your head in the sand or something?
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staknhalo said:
So?
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It makes communication more expensive for everyone.
staknhalo said:
Why does Apple have to follow suit? Let them be the odd man out. Why can't you do that?
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Because that's not a valid way for communication. Do you know what type of phone everyone has? If you can't text your grandmother what are you gonna do? Buy her a new phone? The problems with this type of thinking seem pretty obvious.
 
kac77 said:
It makes communication more expensive for everyone.

Because that's not a valid way for communication. Do you know what type of phone everyone has? If you can't text your grandmother what are you gonna do? Buy her a new phone? The problems with this type of thinking seem pretty obvious.
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More expensive how?

You can text people fine without Apple devices from Apple devices with SMS and vice versa and whatever will officially replace SMS as well - none of your nightmare scenarios there are real or realistic just made up BS to try and pressure others to your will.

So again, why does Apple have to do what you want? Go become CEO or a majority shareholder if you want them to do what you desire.
 
kac77 said:
It's literally being phased out. Don't know what else to say about it. Here you go.
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You’d better give a specific link. Your passive aggressive LMGTFY link has nothing about SMS getting phased out from a phone perspective. Just pages of apps giving up SMS specifically for 2FA. Literally nothing about SMS ceasing to be a communication standard. I scrolled through 2 pages, and that’s more than plenty. It’s not my responsibility to prove your point for you.

Also the article says nothing about Apple actually caring about any of this “pressure”. It’s just an op-ed. The only “pressure” that they could possibly cave to as per the article is if the EU forces them to adopt another standard under the DMA. Which I find unlikely due to iMessage not preventing communication between devices.

As for your photo. Would be nice to see a link.
 
kac77 said:
It's not, literally the point of the article.

Because everyone else on planet Earth is using an open standard.

It's not adopting it fully. Again the point of the article.

It's literally being phased out. Don't know what else to say about it. Here you go.

When you don't like something do you just stick your head in the sand or something?
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That new RCS standard has a literal man in the middle server, and baked in user tracking and advertising services. This is not the version of RCS you want to be taking over. Do not cheer for this.
 
staknhalo said:
More expensive how?
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Because they don't support RCS fully people who text between the two standard receive additional texts. This costs extra for anyone without unlimited text. Also costs more to support more than one standard.
staknhalo said:
You can text people fine without Apple devices from Apple devices with SMS and vice versa and whatever will officially replace SMS as well - none of your nightmare scenarios there are real or realistic just made up BS to try and pressure others to your will.
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Yeah Samsung is just speaking out it's ass too. :rolleyes:
staknhalo said:
So again, why does Apple have to do what you want? Go become CEO or a majority shareholder if you want them to do what you desire.
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Did I write the article? No. Obviously I'm not the only one wanting it. Europe has issues with Apple too.
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I just want all of my work group chats to show up blue. Too much to ask?

..always that one guy who shows up green.
 
UnknownSouljer said:
You’d better give a specific link. Your passive aggressive LMGTFY link has nothing about SMS getting phased out from a phone perspective. Just pages of apps giving up SMS specifically for 2FA. Literally nothing about SMS ceasing to be a communication standard. I scrolled through 2 pages, and that’s more than plenty. It’s not my responsibility to prove your point for you.
As for your photo. Would be nice to see a link.
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https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/24...ng-initiative-ccmi-att-tmobile-sprint-verizon
 
Lakados said:
That new RCS standard has a literal man in the middle server, and baked in user tracking and advertising services. This is not the version of RCS you want to be taking over. Do not cheer for this.
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Apple can read your iMessages. It's no better than RCS.
 
UnknownSouljer said:
You got that link backwards. And I am on mobile so I am definitely not going to type that in lol. But it’s telling that it’s from 2019 and ain’t here.
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Fixed it. Yeah it's from 2019 because talk to replace SMS started before even 2019.
 
kac77 said:
Because they don't support RCS fully people who text between the two standard receive additional texts. This costs extra for anyone without unlimited text. Also costs more to support more than one standard.
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Sucks for them. Not Apple's problem. Their problem.

kac77 said:
Yeah Samsung is just speaking out it's ass too. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, as evident by their shit covered 'love story over SMS video' LMFAO

kac77 said:
Did I write the article? No. Obviously I'm not the only one wanting it. Europe has issues with Apple too.
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😱 HEY EVERYONE COME LOOK AT THIS EUROPE IS PICKING ON AN AMERICAN COMPANY OVER DUMB INSIGNIFICANT CRAP AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME LOOK AT THIS GUYS, THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, what's that there....*if users demand it*...... They all use Whatsapp in Europe - even users with iPhone pretty much - I look forward to the 'but you're keeping lovers apart and cyberbullying babies' campaigns in 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, 2030.........

Your SMS replacement will be supported by iPhone don't worry you'll still be able to text grandma. Your text will still show up green probably on her iPhone though.
 
kac77 said:
Apple can read your iMessages. It's no better than RCS.
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Apple can not read the encrypted messages when end to end is enabled which it is by default.
Google’s RCS implementation uses a Google server as a relay so they have a literal man in the middle server as part of the protocol so that their advertising and commercial communications services work. So they can send you personal advertisements direct to text complete with custom emoji’s and AI chat capabilities.
 
Lakados said:
Apple can not read the encrypted messages when end to end is enabled which it is by default.
Google’s RCS implementation uses a Google server as a relay so they have a literal man in the middle server as part of the protocol so that their advertising and commercial communications services work. So they can send you personal advertisements direct to text complete with custom emoji’s and AI chat capabilities.
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Yeah it can. I swear Apple has a lot of people fooled into believing they are far more secure than they are.

Apple Can Still Read Your End-to-End Encrypted iMessages​

 
kac77 said:
Apple can read your iMessages. It's no better than RCS.
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If you either turnoff iCloud storage of Messages or turn on Advanced Data Protection, which admittedly most users won’t have done, then Apple cannot read them.
 
kac77 said:
Yeah it can. I swear Apple has a lot of people fooled into believing they are far more secure than they are.

Apple Can Still Read Your End-to-End Encrypted iMessages​

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They have encryption now, but it needs to be turned on with Advanced Data Protection. And that condescending link you provided for SMS doesn't show anything about SMS being phased out anytime soon. If and when RCS replaces SMS, then Apple will adopt it as it will the default standard for text messaging.
 
staknhalo said:
Sucks for them. Not Apple's problem. Their problem.
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You didn't ask who this sucks for. You asked how it makes it more expensive. So I did. You don't like the answer so I guess being completely dismissive is some sort of comeback for you. 🤷‍♂️

staknhalo said:
Yeah, as evident by their shit covered 'love story over SMS video' LMFAO
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Again, my response was that it wasn't just me. You not liking Samsung isn't really relevant.
staknhalo said:
😱 HEY EVERYONE COME LOOK AT THIS EUROPE IS PICKING ON AN AMERICAN COMPANY OVER DUMB INSIGNIFICANT CRAP AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME LOOK AT THIS GUYS, THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, what's that there....*if users demand it*...... They all use Whatsapp in Europe - even users with iPhone pretty much - I look forward to the 'but you're keeping lovers apart and cyberbullying babies' campaigns in 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, 2030.........

Your SMS replacement will be supported by iPhone don't worry you'll still be able to text grandma. Your text will still show up green probably on her iPhone though.
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Again, don't care about emotions. If you don't like Europe OK I suppose. Either way this issue is an issue voiced by more than one entity.
 
Shoganai said:
They have encryption now, but it needs to be turned on with Advanced Data Protection. And that condescending link you provided for SMS doesn't show anything about SMS being phased out anytime soon. If and when RCS replaces SMS, then Apple will adopt it as it will the default standard for text messaging.
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Pretty sure someone said it wasn't being phased out at all. Don't move goal posts.
 
kac77 said:
Pretty sure you said it wasn't being phased out at all. Don't move goal posts.
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There's no indication that it's being phased out. There's no articles saying it's being phased out with any sort of timeline. You're just being obnoxious.
 
kac77 said:
Nope.

How To Stop Apple Reading Your iMessages
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Oh yes so if somebody hacks your account, adds a trusted device on that account and restores the backup of your device from iCloud to that device they will have access to the contents of the backup…
Yeah Apple could do that, but so could I or anybody else who has hacked your account and has a copy of your backup…

Google on the other hand is actively monitoring for key words for advertising purposes.
 
kac77 said:
You didn't ask who this sucks for. You asked how it makes it more expensive. So I did. You don't like the answer so I guess being completely dismissive is some sort of comeback for you. 🤷‍♂️


Again, my response was that it wasn't just me. You not liking Samsung isn't really relevant.

Again, don't care about emotions. If you don't like Europe OK I suppose. Either way this issue is an issue voiced by more than one entity.
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So then you also advocate for all the users who spent more on iPhones than Android phones I assume - that iPhones should send them 5 additional texts so the Android users offset the higher costs the iPhone users initially paid, right?

If you don't care about emotions than why are you using emotional Samsung videos about iMessage keeping lovers apart and you personally giving us emotional made up completely non-realistic examples like 'you won't be able to text grandma from your iPhone' to make your argument?

Edit: I'm dismissive cause your excuses are easily and obviously dismissible BTW
 
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Shoganai said:
There's no indication that it's being phased out. There's no articles saying it's being phased out with any sort of timeline. You're just being obnoxious.
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The article literally said that. You're just trolling.
 
Lakados said:
Oh yes so if somebody hacks your account, adds a trusted device on that account and restores the backup of your device from iCloud to that device they will have access to the contents of the backup…
Yeah Apple could do that, but so could I or anybody else who has hacked your account and has a copy of your backup…
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Apple retains the keys. if you backup your messages to iCloud, Apple can read them period. Most Apple users do since it's an opt out affair.
 
staknhalo said:
So then you also advocate for all the users who spent more on iPhones than Android phones I assume - that iPhones should send them 5 additional texts so the Android users offset the higher costs the iPhone users initially paid, right?
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Advocating for the open standard. I'm consistent on this whether its wireless communication or video card drivers.
staknhalo said:
If you don't care about emotions than why are you using emotional Samsung videos about iMessage keeping lovers apart and you personally giving us emotional made up completely non-realistic examples like 'you won't be able to text grandma from your iPhone' to make your argument?
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That's what you think. Me clipping an article isn't "emotional". You thinking it's made up however, is emotional since the facts don't bare that out.

staknhalo said:
Edit: I'm dismissive cause your excuses are easily and obviously dismissible BTW
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No your'e literally dismissive to anyone who doesn't agree with you. Yet you're on a forum where people give responses. What everyone is supposed to agree with you?:LOL:
 
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