NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Reviews

OH I'm not defending that piece of crap. Just saying... no one buying a $150 video card was expecting much.
A 4060 TI... a lot of low information gamers are going to expect it's an upgrade from the 3060, and it is just not. Nvidia is essentially selling the same performance... drop in replacement in their line. Only thing that has changed is Nvidias costs are down margins are up.
Nvidia basically saying x60 class mid range is now 1080p... high settings, maybe medium in some titles. Is a freaking joke and I find it a lot more offensive... then a crap low end launch where no one would ever be confused about the products placement.
Yup, The 6500 was rightfully blasted across the board. There was no mistake to be made about it.

The 4060ti feels more insidious. Feels like all the cheapness of the 6500, but with an extra layer of "eat it up", especially right after that article that pretty much said "we at Nvidia know just how much hardware you need, stop expecting more".
 
Nobody here should recommend buying this card over an AMD. Intel even dropped the price of the A750 to $200, so there's really no reason to ever think about buying a 4060. The Ti is so bad, can you imagine how bad the regular 4060 is gonna be?
 
TechYesCity is semi positive. Though he bases it on the inflation/money supply argument as the reason for the pricing.

"This GPU would have cost $289 by 2020's Dollar"


The 4090's price barely inflated so we can toss that excuse out the window.
The 4060 Ti's specs are also gimped compared to its predecessor whereas the 4090 isn't.
 
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Should but the 3060ti is pretty much $400 right now:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?id=pcat17071&sp=+currentprice skuidsaas&st=3060ti

Single model on bestbuy.com at $370 instead of $400, everything else is $400

Cheapest 6700xt is $360, this beat it at 1440 on TPU average by 7.5% add a 5% nvidia taxes and you're up to $406 msrp.

This seem to be exactly a $400 card in the current market, look how right in the middle it is:

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And that the issue obviously, the market is too high, a new 4060ti should be the one to drag it down, but what does it say about the 6800-6800xt upcoming 7600, intel a770 pricing if this is a $250 card.

This would have been an perfectly ok $330 4060 non TI card, in the current market, that would even have forced some price down.
This is an option:
https://www.newegg.com/msi-rx6700xtmech-2x12goc/p/N82E16814137640

There is one from Asrock for $340 and another card from Sapphire for $345 (promo code for both).
 
This would have been an perfectly ok $330 4060 non TI card, in the current market, that would even have forced some price down.

That is still too expensive. Almost an unnoticeable upgrade from the 3060 TI for $330, without an more VRAM. $250-280 is about the right price.

4070 should have been $400 or so.
 
https://www.newegg.com/msi-rx-6750-xt-mech-2x-12g-oc/p/N82E16814137735

6750xt being roughly 6% faster than the 6700xt makes it a solid choice when you can find them in the $325 range and it is a little better in power than the 6700xt.

I find it really hard to justify $400 for marketing talking points when the real world 1440p cards at 8gb vram is just not enough in some games today. Makes the above 6750xt 12gb for $80 less a better deal for sure.
 
Ok a rant…

I can’t believe some people are still defending this turd. Especially citing the $399 founders 3060ti msrp like “ it’s not a price increase “. Yeah but it doesn’t perform any better bro.. Also all upscaling tech is a crutch. FSR, DLSS, frame gen— all of it. It’s a nice to have when your gpu doesn’t have the grunt to run native and these crutches are there to help it punch above it’s weight and maybe extend it’s useful gaming lifespan. Wtf is a $400 card that needs the crutches to hang with current games at 1080p? It’s a 900p maxed out gpu for $400? Eff that. $279 max for any 8GB card brand new in 2023. AMD will eat just as much crow for the 7600 if it’s $300+ and they should. 12gb vram minimum and excellent 1080p and good 1440p for any new cards over $400 or gtfo. The 6700s are already there as many have mentioned.
Remember when the 6gb 1060 launched at $350 and matched the $499 4gb 980? That’s what needs to happen to break the price performance gen on gen stagnation.
 
That is still too expensive. Almost an unnoticeable upgrade from the 3060 TI for $330, without an more VRAM. $250-280 is about the right price.

4070 should have been $400 or so.
Where do you find a new 3060TI for $330 ?

How does store sell 6700xt over $330 (usually over $400) if this should be a $250 card ?

yes there is a better world where this is called a 4050TI, is priced say 250 msrp, most model in reality at $269.99, $285 for the fancy, but in the current today what you can buy if you enter bestbuy or most model on newegg (outside some current good deal), this is price by frame right in the middle of the market, no ?

At $330 it would pushed price down (i.e. being perfectly good, by definition), to note we are talking a product listed at $400 would have been good (not great) at $330 because of the high pricing we are in.

If that was a $330 and the actual price at launch easy to find 4060 that would be about the exact same price the 1060 launched in 2016 ($250 back then is $316 usd now), nothing great because of the gen on gen ultra modest boost, but a return to pre Turing pricing for the industry would have been something hard to imagine just 9 month ago.
 
Remember when the 6gb 1060 launched at $350
Not sure if it was that high but that $442 2023 dollars (maybe you already translated), it was a %10 higher priced than this if it was $350, which was still a better product in some ways even if it was more expensive.
 
But the 6700xt isn't "usually over $400"?
Usually really bad choice of word here, meant often:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-am...0-graphics-card-black/6457632.p?skuId=6457632
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-am...0-graphics-card-black/6456926.p?skuId=6456926

On pc part picker:
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=501&sort=price&page=1

looking at the 10 cheapest sku, they very often goes for over $400:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1700905-REG/msi_r6700xtm12c_radeon_rx_6700_xt.html
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093Z4BHJH?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
https://www.memoryc.com/37667-sapph...2gb-gddr6-graphics-card.html?sscid=51k7_v117m

Still how can they sell some if it is so rarely below $350, if the 4060TI should be at $250, why should the 4060ti be cheaper than a 6700xt ?

It beat it by almost 10% at 1080p to 4k on TPU, is new, support AV1, will have the Nvidia overtax.

Is it possible to find a brand name new 3070 under $450 ? This is really close in performance, why would it go for 50-60% of the price
 
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Usually really bad choice of word here, meant often:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-am...0-graphics-card-black/6457632.p?skuId=6457632
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-am...0-graphics-card-black/6456926.p?skuId=6456926

On pc part picker:
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=501&sort=price&page=1

looking at the 10 cheapest sku, they very often goes for over $400:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1700905-REG/msi_r6700xtm12c_radeon_rx_6700_xt.html
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093Z4BHJH?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
https://www.memoryc.com/37667-sapph...2gb-gddr6-graphics-card.html?sscid=51k7_v117m

Still how can they sell some if it is so rarely below $350, if the 4060TI should be at $250, why should the 4060ti be cheaper than a 6700xt ?

It beat it by almost 10% at 1080p to 4k on TPU, is new, support AV1, will have the Nvidia overtax.

Is it possible to find a brand name new 3070 under $450 ? This is really close in performance, why would it go for 50-60% of the price
I mean hey, if someone wants to walk into best buy and over spend on a 6700xt, more power to them. There always seems to be at least 1 model of 6700xt on a pretty nice discount. Currently $320+ game. What will be more embarrassing is you'll be able to get a 6800 for less than the 4060ti 16gb, and shoot, if you spend a bit more you can get a 6800xt.
 
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I mean hey, if someone wants to walk into best buy and over spend on a 6700xt, more power to them. There always seems to be at least 1 model of 6700xt on a pretty nice discount. Currently $320+ game. What will be more embarrassing is you'll be able to get a 6800 for less than the 4060ti 16gb, and shoot, if you spend a bit more you can get a 6800xt.
Take $320-330 (or even $300) why should a 4060TI be so much cheaper than a 6700xt at $250 (or so much cheaper than what the 3070 go for which is such a direct comparable) ?

If you think that the 4060ti should be $250 are you saying that all cards are way overpriced (than yes ok obviously, do not disagree here, was just saying that it would be quite out of the market extraordinary to offer that performance at that price point today, even AMD cost more, 6600xt rarely goes for that low and they are not 75% on an 4060ti)
 
Take $320-330 (or even $300) why should a 4060TI be so much cheaper than a 6700xt at $250 (or so much cheaper than what the 3070 go for which is such a direct comparable) ?
Yeah idk about the $250 price point. $300 would have been much more reasonable. At that point it can trade blows with the 6700/6750xt. Nothing would change how silly it is that it doesn't always clearly beat the 3060ti. For that I could see some just saying to knock the price down further because as a whole, it's an insulting product.

At the end of the day it's just a bad xx60 card, and sometimes that will affect the value perceived. Not just performance numbers.
 
Remember when the 6gb 1060 launched at $350 and matched the $499 4gb 980?

I think you mean $250 street price for the 1060 and the 980 was $549 msrp. I sure dont remember many 1060's costing $299 msrp that summer and by early fall I was watching closely with the custom rx 480 8GB cards being launched at usually slightly more at $270-280. The 980 wasn't that great of a value at launch anyway in Sept. 2014 compared to the 970 or the 980ti when it showed up 8 months later in June 2015. The RX 480 4GB model was $200 at launch too.


Anyway, the "ultimate 1080p" card has been $250-300 for 7 years now with 6-8GB of ram. Now these companies want to push $300-500 for cards that are equal or worst than last gen. You can also throw in the cheap $279-330 RX 5700 8GB in late 2019 that made the $279 5600XT a couple of months later a joke too.
 
I don't know and that is irrelevant. This is the replacement product. If it isn't offering significantly more performance for the price, it has no reason to exist.
you think what performance it is possible to buy right now at what price is irrelevant to what price new things will be ?

Like I said if by a 4060Ti should cost $250 and a 6600xt should cost $175 instead of $260, the announced 7600 should be $190 instead of the $270 or what not it will be announced, and the 3060TI should be $220 instead of what it cost now, etc... i.e. if all video card are grossely overpriced, than sure yes ok.
 
This card is depressing. Although I think some peoples opinion on this are heavily biased due to their unbridled hatred of the company, it's truly not a bad little card. But the price is just stupid. At $230-$250, this would be a great buy, especially at its efficiency. I have to agree with everyone here that this is just a no-go to recommend to anyone at its current price. Maybe when they hit fire sale status.

DeBauer seems to have the more sensible video on this release so far.
 
you think what performance it is possible to buy right now at what price is irrelevant to what price new things will be ?

Like I said if by a 4060Ti should cost $250 and a 6600xt should cost $175 instead of $260, the announced 7600 should be $190 instead of the $270 or what not it will be announced, and the 3060TI should be $220 instead of what it cost now, etc... i.e. if all video card are grossely overpriced, than sure yes ok.
Yeah I think people are getting a little ridiculous. Maybe if we went back a few years in terms of the market and the 4060 ti were the 4050 ti. 300 would be a good price for this card. 400 bucks for a 1080p card is way too much though.
 
Yeah I think people are getting a little ridiculous. Maybe if we went back a few years in terms of the market and the 4060 ti were the 4050 ti. 300 would be a good price for this card. 400 bucks for a 1080p card is way too much though.
And it's already compromised at just 1080p in a couple of games with just 8 gigs of VRAM. Absolutely a stupid ridiculous card for that price. This card needs to be a minimum of 20 to 25% faster and have at least 10 or 12 gigs of VRAM to justify $400 price point.
 
At $300, a little high but not bad. At $400? Not on your life. Nvidia's lucky quite frankly that most didn't test w/ a 6750xt because it would have beaten it across the board for $70 less. Guru3D did test using the 6750 XT and it's not pretty.
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Jayztwocents channel 4060ti Review.

No wonder they pulled it down, completely absurd. Intel Arc at 199 seems legit. Nvidia's chip is half the size of Intels, but I'm supposed to believe Nvidia needs to charge double to make a profit? 5 nm isn't double the cost of 6nm. They can fuck themselves.
 
Nvidia basically saying x60 class mid range is now 1080p...
I dunno maybe I'm just off on this matter, but I never thought of the x60 class as "mid range", I definitely always saw it as a low-end card, and then the x50 series was the "budget slightly better than integrated graphics range", with the x70 being the midrange. It's just that the x60s are priced like the x70s used to be.
 
No wonder they pulled it down, completely absurd. Intel Arc at 199 seems legit. Nvidia's chip is half the size of Intels, but I'm supposed to believe Nvidia needs to charge double to make a profit? 5 nm isn't double the cost of 6nm. They can fuck themselves.
Yup. They also said the 6750 costs more than the 4060 TI. It doesn't. It goes for the same price as a 6700xt. The numbers were also whacko.
 
6750xt because it would have beaten it across the board for $70 less.
$70 less ?
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/search...rue&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys

They go from $380 to $410 on newegg I think:
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=4808&d=6750xt&Order=1

$420 from the AMD store:
https://shop-us-en.amd.com/amd-radeon-rx-6750-xt-graphics-msi-gaming/

Could be an honest mistake to think the 6750xt was a bit higher than $400 if they went on AMD.com and bestbuy
 
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Jayztwocents channel 4060ti Review.


At about the 3min45s mark: "Turing didn't really age like fine wine..." Well, duh and yet in the game he's talking about, Borderlands 3 it still pulls 73 fps at 1080p via his results. It is also been almost 4 years since its release. But I'm sure that new mid range king 4060ti at $399 with 8GB of ram and 128bit bus will age well too. Totally, like for sure. The 2060Super was $400 or so 3.5 years ago and has a 256bit memory bus at least.

Here is a 3 year old HUB review of the 5600xt, at $279 msrp. Tomb raider numbers:

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From Jayz/Phil review, 1080p/1440p and no RT:


Screenshot 2023-05-23 at 19-02-43 New MidRange King RTX 4060 Ti Benchmarked Tested ReUP.png

King of the mid range indeed.
 
Bizarre I ranked them by lowest price entering 6750xt, a the $330 one has no free shipping going on.
 
Best Buy? :ROFLMAO: I mean if you want to pay an extra $50 or more for no apparent reason then feel free.

Found one from $329
Bizarre I ranked them by lowest price entering 6750xt, a the $330 one has no free shipping going on and only an estimated $10, not sure if you can blame them to not use the single sku with a $90 rebate and without the usual free shipping, it is at $420 on AMD.com
 
I dunno maybe I'm just off on this matter, but I never thought of the x60 class as "mid range", I definitely always saw it as a low-end card, and then the x50 series was the "budget slightly better than integrated graphics range", with the x70 being the midrange. It's just that the x60s are priced like the x70s used to be.
That's similar to the way I look at them. With the additional cards in the stack it only pushes the x60 down toward the low end.
 
I think you mean $250 street price for the 1060 and the 980 was $549 msrp. I sure dont remember many 1060's costing $299 msrp that summer and by early fall I was watching closely with the custom rx 480 8GB cards being launched at usually slightly more at $270-280. The 980 wasn't that great of a value at launch anyway in Sept. 2014 compared to the 970 or the 980ti when it showed up 8 months later in June 2015. The RX 480 4GB model was $200 at launch too.


Anyway, the "ultimate 1080p" card has been $250-300 for 7 years now with 6-8GB of ram. Now these companies want to push $300-500 for cards that are equal or worst than last gen. You can also throw in the cheap $279-330 RX 5700 8GB in late 2019 that made the $279 5600XT a couple of months later a joke too.
Yeah that sounds more accurate. I was riffing on prices and took a guess from what I remembered. The consensus seems to be that at certain price points , especially $400+ , there needs to be more value than what we are getting. We are seeing a shift upwards in requirements for 1080p gaming which is fine of course but the current offerings are not cutting it for the asking prices. Supply and demand and the buyers are demanding products that aren't being supplied. Time will tell if enough drop off in demand forces some changes next gen.
 
not sure if you can blame them to not use the single sku with a $90 rebate and without the usual free shipping.
It's a $10 rebate. So only $330+$10 shipping, Then after a couple months you'll get $10 back. So call it $340.
 
I was talking about the big $90 rebate (save 21%), maybe it has been for a while but could be a moving target.
That seems to just be a normal discount sale? Point is right now you can get a 6750xt for $340 vs $400 4060ti.
 
While the uplift from the prior gen 3060 Ti isn't much, there are "features"... the problem, as with all 40 series, is the price. Nvidia could fix the problem.
Yeah but that would take admitting they were wrong. I'm not convinced Nvidia sees a problem and is just thinking "Well go buy a 4090, pleb".
 
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