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TL;DW - By the end of 2023 you'll be able to buy micro led tv's at Best Buy.
That's this guy's prediction and it sounds right to me.
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first gen MicroLED's might come out in 2023 but pricing won't be within reach for most people for a few more years afterwards...the MicroLED tech sounds really impressive- zero blacks of OLED with brightness close to LCD levels...definitely the successor to plasma and OLED
OLED's get brighter than needed already so I don't see the hype therefirst gen MicroLED's might come out in 2023 but pricing won't be within reach for most people for a few more years afterwards...the MicroLED tech sounds really impressive- zero blacks of OLED with brightness close to LCD levels...definitely the successor to plasma and OLED
Is this the tech that allows for modular sizing? Want a bigger screen and just buy a few more panels?
Yeah they'll probably be about the same prices as OLEDs or a little more to start out. MicroLED should be even brighter than LCDs.
OLED's get brighter than needed already so I don't see the hype there
No they aren't actually. That is one of the areas they fall way short of LCDs in. Like take the Sony AG9, Sony's new OLED. It's pretty pricey, $3500 for the 65" variant and comes with lots of good features as you'd expect for the price. However the peak brightness it hits for HDR is about 600nits. That is well short of the 1000 nits that is PQ gamma curve target, never mind the higher brightnesses that Dolby Vision and such can be mastered for. Now compare that to the Samsung Q80 at about 1000 nits, or the Vizio PX Quantum at about 1800 nits. Those are both more around $2000 TVs as well.
Is it a deal breaker for OLED? Of course not, but it IS an area that it is weak compared to LCDs. They can't get the big peak brightness numbers that we'd want for really dynamic HDR. Hopefully MicroLED will fix that.
Remember that with HDR content, we want much bigger peak brightness if we can get it. It is true that for SDR something in the realm of 400nits is more than enough unless you are trying to operate a display in direct sunlight or something like that, but the idea with HDR is to be able to produce really bright highlights, like we see in real life, and that means you need a much higher peak brightness.
OLED's get brighter than needed already so I don't see the hype there
Maybe though they may have to moderate the brightness to keep them from burning in. Remember that burn in is a problem with any emissive display, and LEDs are no exception. One way to moderate the effects of that is to not operate at peak brightness. So even if the display was capable of, say, 10000 nits they might limit it to 4000 to reduce burn in issues.
No they aren't actually. That is one of the areas they fall way short of LCDs in. Like take the Sony AG9, Sony's new OLED. It's pretty pricey, $3500 for the 65" variant and comes with lots of good features as you'd expect for the price. However the peak brightness it hits for HDR is about 600nits. That is well short of the 1000 nits that is PQ gamma curve target, never mind the higher brightnesses that Dolby Vision and such can be mastered for. Now compare that to the Samsung Q80 at about 1000 nits, or the Vizio PX Quantum at about 1800 nits. Those are both more around $2000 TVs as well.
Is it a deal breaker for OLED? Of course not, but it IS an area that it is weak compared to LCDs. They can't get the big peak brightness numbers that we'd want for really dynamic HDR. Hopefully MicroLED will fix that.
Remember that with HDR content, we want much bigger peak brightness if we can get it. It is true that for SDR something in the realm of 400nits is more than enough unless you are trying to operate a display in direct sunlight or something like that, but the idea with HDR is to be able to produce really bright highlights, like we see in real life, and that means you need a much higher peak brightness.
TL;DW - By the end of 2023 you'll be able to buy micro led tv's at Best Buy.
That's this guy's prediction and it sounds right to me.
the idea with HDR is to be able to produce really bright highlights, like we see in real life, and that means you need a much higher peak brightness.
I thought I was the only one still rocking a TV from that era. Those LG OLEDs were tempting but I can't justify upgrading quiet yet.Well, by that point, I may be in the market for a new TV, since my Sony 50 inch Bravia 1080p at that I bought in October of 2013 still looks great. ($600) Here it is about 6.5 years old and no TV out there is worth getting to replace my Sony at this time.
Micro LED seems like the solution to everything, but I fear the price that's going to come at.
I think you're still not getting the point of HDR. Full scene brightness when calibrated will still average out to 100-300 nits depending on lighting conditions and preference. Peak brightness, what we're referring to when talking about HDR10 and 1000 nits or Dolby Vision and 10,000 nits, are for bright highlights on the screen like the sun. In other words, if you are going to be doing any kind of desktop usage with HDR enabled (though why would you unless you're editing video), your eyes are not going to be exposed to a constant brightness of 1000-10,000 nits.That's true, however staring at a screen this bright is bad for the eyes. I totally get the idea and think it's a good thing but having a display this bright in front of you for long periods of time is unhealthy and impractical. Should be pretty sweet for watching movies, though
just because it can get brighter doesn't mean you should use them at max brightness. the biggest failure we see in tv's is Backlighting failure.
well when people bring them in for repair and complain that they only lasted for 2 to 3 years. tells they would rather have them last longer rather than always upgrading to the newest hopefully micro led will hold up better since each led is its own light source but i still would recommend running any of them at max.Those purchasing tvs for dolby vision are not looking to run the tv at its lowest ECO settings to make it last longer, they are looking for a great quality picture. I suppose having the same tv for 10 years probably would go down that road of failure, but most looking for the best
well when people bring them in for repair and complain that they only lasted for 2 to 3 years. tells they would rather have them last longer rather than always upgrading to the newest hopefully micro led will hold up better since each led is its own light source but i still would recommend running any of them at max.
LG's current C9/E9 OLEDs can hit 700-1000 nits according to most reviews too.
no way do the 2019 LG OLED's hit 1000 nits peak brightness...for the last few years they've been peaking at ~730...OLED tech has maxed out hence the need for MicroLED's
More like the "need" to stick with MiniLED LCDs if you think it's actually a need to have higher than 700 nit peaks. I don't. I'll choose an OLED TV over LCDs every time.
MicroLED TVs simply aren't coming to the consumer space in the foreseeable future.
Have to deal with LGs a lot and the problem with OLED Burn in is significant. These are TV that start at $2000 and go up in price.
Well, just upgraded from a 32" 720p TV I've had for years to a 58" 4K TV I paid $299 for on a after Christmas special.
For what I paid I can't complain.
But if your expectation is a lifespan at 5 years if not the 10 year mark or more which is a fairly common expectation (if not majority) for TVs/Monitors (especially at the $1k+ mark) that is going to problematic.
I think you're still not getting the point of HDR. Full scene brightness when calibrated will still average out to 100-300 nits depending on lighting conditions and preference. Peak brightness, what we're referring to when talking about HDR10 and 1000 nits or Dolby Vision and 10,000 nits, are for bright highlights on the screen like the sun. In other words, if you are going to be doing any kind of desktop usage with HDR enabled (though why would you unless you're editing video), your eyes are not going to be exposed to a constant brightness of 1000-10,000 nits.
I get it and you're right. But I don't want my TV to have the ability to blind me
I mean the point of this and going forward is to one day make the tv feel like a window into the world being shown. If there was a sun or gunshot, you want that brightness to really immerse oneself. Maybe not for watching netflix for 10 straight hours but a good movie would be amazing.
I get it and you're right. But I don't want my TV to have the ability to blind me
A one-person window :]
A one-person window :]
More onto this, what if it was overlayed in your houses windows with positional tracking with a PC? Make it look like you live anywhere!
Point was, how do you display the proper perspective for more than person/pov?
As a whole, I am not against HDR and window like display. I just want max brightness to be a bit less than the sun.
Okay I guess we can meet in the middle, you can have an option to turn it down.
Perspective was more of a joke, but it would be kinda neat with displays bright enough to produce light coming into the window appearing to be from a beach or sunset etc
I have given this plenty of thought. Only I was thinking about how subway trains could project traveling through all kinds of cool places instead of scary tunnels. It could work and really cheer people up.