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This morning my coworker just asked me to look at his computer. His wife says it's too slow and has problems. I, being a dumbass, said yes. I'm pretty sure it's an older AMD Athlon cpu of some kind. Shit.
Funny you should say that.... on a 486, still supportedAnyone rocking hardware that old would probably be better off using Linux. Even so, since the hardware is still supported, the OS shouldn't just bomb. Bad Microsoft!
What is the oldest x86 processor that is still supported by a modern Linux kernel in present time?
I asked the above quiz question during the Geekcamp tech conference in Nov 2017 during my emcee role. The theoretical answer as you can glean from the title of this post is the 486 which was first released in 1989. I determined that fact from this article where support for the 386 was dropped in Dec 2012.
To get you interested, here is the result of my effort.
This is just Microsoft's way of gently reminding you that you should be using Linux.
Why should Microsoft have to cater to the lowest common denominator? Fuck those systems, just because it runs doesnt mean it is entitled to remain compatible with modern software. System is EOL, time to upgrade, or dont patch it anymore.
Microsoft just needs to adjust their minimum system requirements and do what games have been doing for a while now. Instead of saying "you need a 2.4Ghz Dual Core" they say they need an Intel Core i3 4130 or AMD FX-6300 or above. Then, when each "Feature Update" rolls around they publish an updated minimum spec. Those who no longer meet it don't get the upgrade and will continue to receive updates on their current build until it goes EOL at which point they'll either have to upgrade or run un-patched. May not be the most pleasant thing in the world but at some point we have to accept that technology is still accelerating at a ridiculous pace, even if the 11 year old Core2Duo or AthlonXP still "work", they are still 11 years old and it's time to put them to bed.
(Now, what to do and how to recycle all of that old hardware is another subject entirely and one that seriously needs to be answered ASAP because, for all the hand-wringers there are out there about global warming, there's a far bigger storm on the horizon when these billions of tons of e-waste starts to rear it's ugly head.)
You know, your right, I will let your mobile device carrier know to brick your devices because they are what I consider obsolete. I mean, did you really think that just because you spent money on something you are entitled to it or ... lol ... actually own it?Why should Microsoft have to cater to the lowest common denominator? Fuck those systems, just because it runs doesnt mean it is entitled to remain compatible with modern software. System is EOL, time to upgrade, or dont patch it anymore.
Those processors are still very usable for many people. Why should they be forced to buy new hardware for a botched MS patch?
It is that difficult for MS to configure the patch to detect an AMD CPU v. an Intel CPU? If it's an AMD, Windows should not include the patch? Is it really that difficult?
Plus, there are plenty of reasons someone could still be using an Athlon. In fact, I created a surveillance video archive which uses an old Athlon 64 FX. CentOS with SSH and Samba services installed. It needs very little processing power for it's purpose.
Wait a minute, I am confused. I thought we said Meltdown (only affecting Intel) was patch-able (but with performance penalties) and Specre (effecting everything under the sun) was completely un-patchable.
Did something change?
Other than that, I'm perfectly fine with CPU's older than 10 years old not working in the latest operating systems.
Yes, computer science majors realised they were not living within a chicken-licken story. They found a way to mitigate the speculative branch predictionWait a minute, I am confused. I thought we said Meltdown (only affecting Intel) was patch-able (but with performance penalties) and Specre (effecting everything under the sun) was completely un-patchable.
Did something change?
Other than that, I'm perfectly fine with CPU's older than 10 years old not working in the latest operating systems.
I tried to run linux on an old system about 10 years ago just to prove/disprove that point, and it turned out to be much worse than windows at the time. It hogged that old cpu like there was no tomorrow. But things might have changed since. But I doubt it, W10 is not much different in resource usage compared to 7 which I used at the time. It might even be slightly better optimized.Anyone rocking hardware that old would probably be better off using Linux. Even so, since the hardware is still supported, the OS shouldn't just bomb. Bad Microsoft!
I tried to run linux on an old system about 10 years ago just to prove/disprove that point, and it turned out to be much worse than windows at the time. It hogged that old cpu like there was no tomorrow. But things might have changed since. But I doubt it, W10 is not much different in resource usage compared to 7 which I used at the time. It might even be slightly better optimized.
Have you tried browsing on an older dual core recently? It's painfully slow, especially for youtube. More complex pages with lots of active content takes long seconds to render.
Those old AMD chips must be slow as a sloth stuck in molasses on a cold New York winter morning. How these people still have them I have no idea.
I have to giggle that on a hardware\overclocking enthusiast forum, we're arguing the value of 10+ year old hardware
<s> Obviously you used the wrong Linux distro. </s>
A-HA! So there is a WRONG linux distro<s> Obviously you used the wrong Linux distro. </s>
gentooA-HA! So there is a WRONG linux distro
And what do you think the right one is?
I tried to run linux on an old system about 10 years ago just to prove/disprove that point, and it turned out to be much worse than windows at the time. It hogged that old cpu like there was no tomorrow. But things might have changed since. But I doubt it, W10 is not much different in resource usage compared to 7 which I used at the time. It might even be slightly better optimized.
I tried using Linux last year on some old PCs that I was given, and I was going to give them to some people for Kodi. But they did not run any better than they did with Windows. I think I tried Mint and maybe Ubuntu.
Someone mentioned 7 vs 10...my dad's Core 2 Duo running 7 would come to a halt on 7. Task Manager showed resources pegged at 100% or near it. I put 10 on it, and it helped quite a bit. I still got fed up and just bought him a new Kabini build, and it's plenty for him to look at Facebook, watch "How to's" on YouTube, and play PokerStars.
Why should Microsoft have to cater to the lowest common denominator? Fuck those systems, just because it runs doesnt mean it is entitled to remain compatible with modern software. System is EOL, time to upgrade, or dont patch it anymore.
I still use a 2ghz c2d lappy when out of the house (yeah I know, it's going to be replaced with pinnacle ridge or similar, I built her from scratch in another life..). Other than 720p yt video tearing sometimes or refreshing a catalogue on fullchan, it doesn't go that slow. Alll comes down to how much .js you have running..Have you tried browsing on an older dual core recently? It's painfully slow, especially for youtube. More complex pages with lots of active content takes long seconds to render.
I still use a 2ghz c2d lappy
I have a 5 year old 4core AMD laptop, and it's terrible. And I have a C2D E7400 oc-ed for email and browsing at work, and it's not that bad, but still wouldn't want that experience as my primary PC.I still use a 2ghz c2d lappy when out of the house (yeah I know, it's going to be replaced with pinnacle ridge or similar, I built her from scratch in another life..). Other than 720p yt video tearing sometimes or refreshing a catalogue on fullchan, it doesn't go that slow. Alll comes down to how much .js you have running..
To be honest with an SSD the main limitation is ram.
I can still video and photo edit in a pinch.
Yeah true stock for stock, especially single core athlons. I have an oppy 165 duallie that when running heavy oc at 2.8ghz was definitely faster than the c2d for encoding video and other stuff. That said, laptop Vs desktop.. it was closer than I'd like.This is considerably more powerful hardware than those older Athlons.
Is the quad SSD? Low per-core speed I guess otherwise..I have a 5 year old 4core AMD laptop, and it's terrible. And I have a C2D E7400 oc-ed for email and browsing at work, and it's not that bad, but still wouldn't want that experience as my primary PC.
Yes it has an SSD, albeit a first gen one from 2010, but I doubt a newer SSD would do much for browsing speeds it has 8GB DDR3 so it shouldn't swap at all.Is the quad SSD? Low per-core speed I guess otherwise..
And agreed, I wouldn't go back to primary with it again, spent 5+ months overseas and it was not so fun. For light work and browsing though she's fine.
When ffx hits the 2gb ram limit though, damnit..
Have you tried browsing on an older dual core recently? It's painfully slow, especially for youtube. More complex pages with lots of active content takes long seconds to render.
all of those are EOL.
gentoo
anything current? I am in ~arch and within a day or two, new releases are in the tree. Every now and again they are held in bugzilla due to shoddy builds (libreoffice-5.4 was held back by a month but now its just updatedAs long as you don't want to use anything current, Gentoo is probably an okay choice. I ran it for a while but I spent a LOT of time fixing it every time I tried to update it. I was using GNOME 3 back when it was still in the experimental branch because they were dead set against it. (Despite other distros using it as their base WM) GNOME 3 itself worked fine, but you get into dependency hell trying to unmask all of the files needed to keep your system working. I got tired of compiling for hours on end, and switched to Mint for GUI. It's definitely a much more sound choice for using a distro that has a graphical component to it.
anything current? I am in ~arch and within a day or two, new releases are in the tree. Every now and again they are held in bugzilla due to shoddy builds (libreoffice-5.4 was held back by a month but now its just updated
Yeah true stock for stock, especially single core athlons. I have an oppy 165 duallie that when running heavy oc at 2.8ghz was definitely faster than the c2d for encoding video and other stuff. That said, laptop Vs desktop.. it was closer than I'd like.
Athlons were great in their time, as was the c2d. Both big jumps.