390X coming soon few weeks

n=1 said:
Buying a 970 now would be the worst idea ever. Seriously you've waited this long, what's another 2 months?
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Agreed. You could have bought that level of performance a long time ago. If someone didn't do it then why do it now?

Spyhawk said:
Im waiting impatiently on the 390x to make a decision on whether I go Titan X, 980 Ti or 390X this gen. Hoping the 390X hits a homerun and sticks it to Nvidia but alas...tis only wishfull thinking....
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I see you have a 7970 in your sig. Reality is if you had bought the 680 instead, which reviewers had us believing was better than the 7970, you'd have worse performance today. Same for GK110. They basically lied to all of us telling us it was better than Hawaii. If you bought Hawaii instead though, you'd have better performance now. Now, I know there will be those who will insist that somehow the relative performance has changed and AMD has pulled ahead through drivers, voodoo, pixie dust, or what ever. Those same people though will also tell you nVidia has superior drivers, lower driver overhead, blah-blah-blah. Reality is, AMD has been making the higher performance cards for a while now and looking at the 390X WCE specs and tech, it's going to be better than Maxwell as well. Although I won't be surprised to see the mainstream tech press show us otherwise.

:dons flameproof underwear: :)
 
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n=1 said:
Buying a 970 now would be the worst idea ever. Seriously you've waited this long, what's another 2 months?
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I'm holding off. But the issue is we still don't know if it will launch in another 2 months. AMD is really keeping Mom when it comes to the 390 and 390x.
 
harmattan said:
I do think the 390x will be very good performance wise, albeit won't blow the doors off Titan X or 980 Ti. What I don't expect is any aggressive pricing like we got with 4870. AMD is going to pander to their few remaining investors on this one taking the safe pricing bet -- this means 390x will priced around or just under its competition. I'm guessing it will likely be around $750-800 for the CL version, $600-650 for the air-cooled version(s). NV will then counter in Sept with price drops on 980 and release 980 Ti.
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I doubt they will wait for September. Newest rumors say, that NV already has the 980Ti, yet it's waiting for the 390X release to either place it slightly below AMD price, if 390X blows Titan, so they can win in price/performance. Or just to sell it at or above, if the performance is same or better. One way or the other, if they are holding 980 Ti for 390X it will rain on AMD parade.
 
MrC4 said:
Where are they keeping her? Hopefully you get your Mom back in June and not September!:D
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It's like a bad joke:


Us: "How good is the 390X going to be compared to the Titan X?"


AMD: "As good as your mom was last night!"



So, a few more weeks, then?
 
DejaWiz said:
It's like a bad joke:


Us: "How good is the 390X going to be compared to the Titan X?"


AMD: "As good as your mom was last night!"



So, a few more weeks, then?
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lol, its like HL3. The more you mention it, the more it gets put off. :D
 
Maddness said:
I'm holding off. But the issue is we still don't know if it will launch in another 2 months. AMD is really keeping Mom when it comes to the 390 and 390x.
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Would you rather Roy overhype it to all hell (yes I know about the rumors obviously, but nothing official) and then underdeliver, or would your rather he keep his goddamn pie hole shut and let AMD do its thing?

I actually see silence as a good thing, because it means they're either fine tuning what they have (remember Lisa Su is an engineer through and through, so anything less than a perfect launch will be unacceptable to her), or they're ready to drop a bombshell, so they're being extra hush.

Plus do you really want to read Roy's inane tweets and ramblings? The guy needs to go, seriously. Wouldn't surprise me if he was hired by nVidia to act as a saboteur, considering his long association with nVidia.

*takes tinfoil hat off* :D
 
Roy and Bulldozer ... end of conversation. That dude went NUTS!

Silence will drive the enthusiasts nuts but for the overall market it will do them better than to hype the crap out of the product, especially if they under deliver(like BD). Now what is a bunch of crap is that we have had a whopping 1 release since the 290X and that's the damn Tonga card no one really cared about.

Ok I lied, I bought the 285, I needed it to replace my XFX 7870 that shat itself. But still! give us something more than rebranded OCZ SSD's!
 
harmattan said:
I do think the 390x will be very good performance wise, albeit won't blow the doors off Titan X or 980 Ti. What I don't expect is any aggressive pricing like we got with 4870. AMD is going to pander to their few remaining investors on this one taking the safe pricing bet -- this means 390x will priced around or just under its competition. I'm guessing it will likely be around $750-800 for the CL version, $600-650 for the air-cooled version(s). NV will then counter in Sept with price drops on 980 and release 980 Ti.
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hey genius please tell me this.
R9 390x vs Titan X
cores/processors: 4096 vs 3072 -- 390x wins
bus width: 4096 bit vs 384 bit -- 390x wins
vram: 8gb hbm vs 12 gb ddr5 ---r9 390x wins(hbm 9 times faster than gddr5)

R9 390 vs titan x/980 ti
cores /processors: 3072 vs 3072 --draw
bus width: 4096 bit vs 384 bit --R9 390 wins
vram: 4gb hbm vs 6gb rumored -- r9 390 wins(hbm 9 times faster than gddr5)
currently amd has the most superior architecture of all time. nobody wants nvidias shitty architectures.
crossfire is superior to sli
amd is superior at highier resolutions.
so please genius please explain to me how a 390x will fail to decimate the titan x please i am waiting. amd dont even need to release the 390x anyway.
 
As I understand it, AMD's biggest concern right now is moving current inventory.

Any talk of future products will directly hurt that effort.

That's why AMD are saying nothing about 3XX, just like Nvidia and the 980ti.

Both companies are happy that us enthusiasts 'know' 3XX and 980ti will arrive at the end of the summer, but officially, they can't say a word as it'd hurt current sales.

28nm is an aging and large node and has to be managed very carefully by both companies.
 
Deathroned said:
hey genius please tell me this.
R9 390x vs Titan X
cores/processors: 4096 vs 3072 -- 390x wins
bus width: 4096 bit vs 384 bit -- 390x wins
vram: 8gb hbm vs 12 gb ddr5 ---r9 390x wins(hbm 9 times faster than gddr5)

R9 390 vs titan x/980 ti
cores /processors: 3072 vs 3072 --draw
bus width: 4096 bit vs 384 bit --R9 390 wins
vram: 4gb hbm vs 6gb rumored -- r9 390 wins(hbm 9 times faster than gddr5)
currently amd has the most superior architecture of all time. nobody wants nvidias shitty architectures.
crossfire is superior to sli
amd is superior at highier resolutions.
so please genius please explain to me how a 390x will fail to decimate the titan x please i am waiting. amd dont even need to release the 390x anyway.
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Uh... what? If you go by your logic, how is it that the 290X, having more shaders and a larger RAM bus width, is inferior to the GTX 980?
 
Deathroned said:
hey genius please tell me this.
R9 390x vs Titan X
cores/processors: 4096 vs 3072 -- 390x wins
bus width: 4096 bit vs 384 bit -- 390x wins
vram: 8gb hbm vs 12 gb ddr5 ---r9 390x wins(hbm 9 times faster than gddr5)

R9 390 vs titan x/980 ti
cores /processors: 3072 vs 3072 --draw
bus width: 4096 bit vs 384 bit --R9 390 wins
vram: 4gb hbm vs 6gb rumored -- r9 390 wins(hbm 9 times faster than gddr5)
currently amd has the most superior architecture of all time. nobody wants nvidias shitty architectures.
crossfire is superior to sli
amd is superior at highier resolutions.
so please genius please explain to me how a 390x will fail to decimate the titan x please i am waiting. amd dont even need to release the 390x anyway.
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Why did you even compare the number of shaders/cores when their computational power doesn't compare 1:1?

Also, HBM on the 390/X will have a bandwidth of 512-640GB/s, and I highly doubt that the Titan X and 980Ti have less than 100GB/s memory bandwidth, as 640/9=71.

Small math lesson for you:

4096 bits ÷ 8 bits/Byte = 512 bytes × 1000-1250MHz (rumored) memory clock rate = 512-640GB/sec
 
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Titan X has somewhere around 440 GB/s if you factor in their compression ratios.

On a serious note, is there any indication the 390/390x will have higher performance per core than the 290x? That's the only curve ball in my mind.
 
At the very least it won't suck in tesselation as it'll have 285 improvements as bare minimum.
 
Deathroned said:
hey genius please tell me this.
R9 390x vs Titan X
cores/processors: 4096 vs 3072 -- 390x wins
bus width: 4096 bit vs 384 bit -- 390x wins
vram: 8gb hbm vs 12 gb ddr5 ---r9 390x wins(hbm 9 times faster than gddr5)

R9 390 vs titan x/980 ti
cores /processors: 3072 vs 3072 --draw
bus width: 4096 bit vs 384 bit --R9 390 wins
vram: 4gb hbm vs 6gb rumored -- r9 390 wins(hbm 9 times faster than gddr5)
currently amd has the most superior architecture of all time. nobody wants nvidias shitty architectures.
crossfire is superior to sli
amd is superior at highier resolutions.
so please genius please explain to me how a 390x will fail to decimate the titan x please i am waiting. amd dont even need to release the 390x anyway.
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Hey, you might want to use proper punctuation next time you call someone out. Right now, I just see a wall of text with no capital letters, no punctuation and a bunch of numbers entirely devoid of verified sources to back them up.
 
Fanboy alert! :p

Deathroned said:
hey genius please tell me this.
R9 390x vs Titan X
cores/processors: 4096 vs 3072 -- 390x wins
bus width: 4096 bit vs 384 bit -- 390x wins
vram: 8gb hbm vs 12 gb ddr5 ---r9 390x wins(hbm 9 times faster than gddr5)

R9 390 vs titan x/980 ti
cores /processors: 3072 vs 3072 --draw
bus width: 4096 bit vs 384 bit --R9 390 wins
vram: 4gb hbm vs 6gb rumored -- r9 390 wins(hbm 9 times faster than gddr5)
currently amd has the most superior architecture of all time. nobody wants nvidias shitty architectures.
crossfire is superior to sli
amd is superior at highier resolutions.
so please genius please explain to me how a 390x will fail to decimate the titan x please i am waiting. amd dont even need to release the 390x anyway.
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All with 0 confirmation from AMD thus far. (except for the HBM)

It will really all come down to how much they can do and still keep it cool enough, considering they are still on 28nm.

You can add as many cores as you want, but if you can't keep them cool, they will have to be clocked down to the point where they may or may not represent much of an improvement at all.

Time will tell.

In the mean time, please do try to not use rumored specifications as fact. Once we have confirmed announcements on specs directly from AMD, sure, but not until then.

We don't even know it will be called the 390x yet, for crying out loud.
 
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Deathroned said:
crossfire is superior to sli
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Oh, and this one made me giggle.

Have you actually ever used crossfire?

It is the most buggy unreliable piece of garbage in the history of software. I wouldn't touch it again with a 39 and a half foot pole.

It may be able to provide nice peak frame rates, but not being able to run titles sometimes until 6 months after launch, and even when you have proper profiles seeing frequent frame-rate drops to horrible mins makes crossfire only marginally usable.

I learned my lesson.

Single GPU from either vendor >>> SLI > Crossfire.

Multi-GPU just isn't worth the headaches

I'm rooting for AMD. I like their products. I'm excited about their next gen top end card, but please, let's at least be a little bit realistic here.
 
Deathroned said:
hey genius please tell me this.
R9 390x vs Titan X
cores/processors: 4096 vs 3072 -- 390x wins
bus width: 4096 bit vs 384 bit -- 390x wins
vram: 8gb hbm vs 12 gb ddr5 ---r9 390x wins(hbm 9 times faster than gddr5)

R9 390 vs titan x/980 ti
cores /processors: 3072 vs 3072 --draw
bus width: 4096 bit vs 384 bit --R9 390 wins
vram: 4gb hbm vs 6gb rumored -- r9 390 wins(hbm 9 times faster than gddr5)
currently amd has the most superior architecture of all time. nobody wants nvidias shitty architectures.
crossfire is superior to sli
amd is superior at highier resolutions.
so please genius please explain to me how a 390x will fail to decimate the titan x please i am waiting. amd dont even need to release the 390x anyway.
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I hesitate to deign your post and sophomoric attack with a response, but I'm in a light mood so here goes...

  • 3072 CUDA cores vs. Fiji 3072 are hardly comparable. You do understand the difference? That's like comparing cylinder heads on a Dodge Dakota to a Mitsubishi Lancer.
  • "currently amd has the most superior [awesome...] architecture of all time. nobody wants nvidias shitty architectures" -- 62% vs 38% of the market begs to differ
  • Experience with Crossfire and SLI on every gen since NV40 (Voodoo if you want to go back further), as well as a littany of reviews, tells me no -- they're rather co-equal
  • You're right here. Hawaii is better at higher resolutions due to the larger memory bandwidth. Fiji results remain to be seen, but will likely continue the trend.
So yea, fallacious logic and unfounded hyperbole. Moreover, if you're going to come at someone with shoddily-constructed arguments, at least try to take some time on the grammar and punctuation -- it makes it at least sound better, albeit no more true.
 
I'm going to have to agree here. MGPU setups are usually very buggy. I have a tri-fire setup and usually having it enabled causes a ton of issues and it takes several months before they have a fix for it.

One single fast card is usually the best bet. Unless you enjoy waiting for patches and beta drivers.
 
XViper said:
I'm going to have to agree here. MGPU setups are usually very buggy. I have a tri-fire setup and usually having it enabled causes a ton of issues and it takes several months before they have a fix for it.

One single fast card is usually the best bet. Unless you enjoy waiting for patches and beta drivers.
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Yeah, back when the 6970 was AMD's top single GPU card, I had two of ASUS direct CU II, 3 slot cards in my 990FX (waiting for bulldozer) build, with a X6 1090T overclocked to 4.2.

When it worked, I got great average and peak framerates, but it was very peaky, shooting up and dropping down a lot. In the end, even when driver support was good for the title I was playing, I found my min framerates to be rather disappointing, and hurting my gameplay.

I replaced them with a single 7970 on launch, and despite getting a lower average FPS, the framerate was much more stable, and games were much more playable, and I didn't have to wait 6 months for game profile support.

After I killed the 7970 I later moved to a GTX 680 (2GB) and then in early 2013 a Titan, Haven't done multi-GPU since, and don't plan on it unless ABSOLUTELY necessary
 
I've seen test after test and testament after testament, and I don't disbelieve them as it's surely measurable. But my pair of 280x's were great, I never had a problem other than firefox would wake the sleeping card up for some reason. I have a single 290x now and I don't feel it's an improvement in anything other than heat production maybe. I'd expected a bunch of grief from the two 280's as it was my first xfire setup but it seemed to just work really well.
 
Well that does hold true for gaming but for productivity such as video editing and rendering, a multi-gpu setup does have it's advantages. However, if you're doing stuff like that, you need like a professional card like a Firepro or the like.

I'm happy with what I have right now until the 390x comes out for which I'd probably sell my watercooled cards for one depending on what kind of performance it does. Although, I can wait a few months for the next iteration though.
 
I don't know about you guys and AMD XFire, but my first dual card setup (GTX 980s) has been an excellent experience. Lots of people say it is troublesome for multi gpu wheather it's SLI or XFire. But I have had a pleasant experience, only some games needed to be configured via NvidiaInspector or other ways, but is was very easy and simple to do nonetheless.

And they worked well and scaled well, so I don't know what all the fuss is about multi GPU setups, I have never used AMD so I don't know how their multi setup is like but coming from 980 SLI I will ddefinatly venture into multi GPU when I upgrade which for me will be either it will be SLI Titan X, SLI 980 Ti, or XFIRE 390X, depending on how well it is.
 
Ramses said:
I've seen test after test and testament after testament, and I don't disbelieve them as it's surely measurable. But my pair of 280x's were great, I never had a problem other than firefox would wake the sleeping card up for some reason. I have a single 290x now and I don't feel it's an improvement in anything other than heat production maybe. I'd expected a bunch of grief from the two 280's as it was my first xfire setup but it seemed to just work really well.
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shadow85 said:
I don't know about you guys and AMD XFire, but my first dual card setup (GTX 980s) has been an excellent experience. Lots of people say it is troublesome for multi gpu wheather it's SLI or XFire. But I have had a pleasant experience, only some games needed to be configured via NvidiaInspector or other ways, but is was very easy and simple to do nonetheless.

And they worked well and scaled well, so I don't know what all the fuss is about multi GPU setups, I have never used AMD so I don't know how their multi setup is like but coming from 980 SLI I will ddefinatly venture into multi GPU when I upgrade which for me will be either it will be SLI Titan X, SLI 980 Ti, or XFIRE 390X, depending on how well it is.
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I suspect it depends very much on the titles you play.

Huge mainstream titles presumably get more attention from driver developers than smaller titles. Huge mainstream titles presumably just improve with time and driver/profile maturity.

As I recall, my dual Radeon 6970's worked pretty well in Civ 5 once it matured (at launch, Civ 5 was completely non-functional) as in CS:Source (which really didn't need Xfire as it would have run perfectly on one of the 6970's)

On most of my favorite titles they were a huge disappointment though.

Red Orchestra 2 was extremely peaky. I had it pinned at 60fps most of the time, but when scenes got complicated it would drop below 20fps sometimes. This was the main reason I threw in the towel as it was my favorite game at the time. Once I moved to the single 7970 life was beautiful all the time.

The S.T.A.L.K.E.R series didn't like to work at all, and Fallout 3 and New Vegas both had this annoying bug where they would start out brilliant, but the framerate would - over approximately 10 minutes of play - slow to an unplayable crawl. save game and restart it, and it would play well again, but within 10 minutes, down to an unplayable crawl again.

In Metro 2033, I don't remember having any specific problems, except for just disappointing scaling. I probably only gained 10 -15% over a single card.

Now granted, I was pushing all of these games pretty hard at 2560x1600, which not too many people were doing in 2010/2011, but still, the experience was a let-down, which I'd rather not revisit.

This is why I'm hoping for as much performance as possible out of a single GPU on a future 390x.

If I can't get enough performance out of a single one, I think I'd rather spend my money on a custom water cooling loop and a full cover water block for it, and try to push the overclock on it, before I even think of going Crossfire again.
 
shadow85 said:
I don't know about you guys and AMD XFire, but my first dual card setup (GTX 980s) has been an excellent experience. Lots of people say it is troublesome for multi gpu wheather it's SLI or XFire. But I have had a pleasant experience, only some games needed to be configured via NvidiaInspector or other ways, but is was very easy and simple to do nonetheless.

And they worked well and scaled well, so I don't know what all the fuss is about multi GPU setups, I have never used AMD so I don't know how their multi setup is like but coming from 980 SLI I will ddefinatly venture into multi GPU when I upgrade which for me will be either it will be SLI Titan X, SLI 980 Ti, or XFIRE 390X, depending on how well it is.
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most of the time multi-card is OK, it the few time that it's not that will sour your taste :p


then forever more you will hate Multi-card setups!
 
I don't know about you guys and AMD XFire, but my first dual card setup (GTX 980s) has been an excellent experience.
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as a former 970 sli user (refunded after the whole vram fiaco) i don't know what you have been playing.

Dragon Age:I flickering
Far Cry 4 : where to even start
Shadow of Mordor ; weird graphical issues
CoD.only worked after thy patched it

And i don't care about the whole debate whose fault it is, be it nvidia/amd or game devs, when i have two cards for about 700 euros in my rig i expect far more than this

hence stuck waiting for a single monster card, much like titan x but for us poor plebs
 
Zarathustra[H];1041551676 said:
I suspect it depends very much on the titles you play.

The S.T.A.L.K.E.R series didn't like to work at all, and Fallout 3 and New Vegas both had this annoying bug where they would start out brilliant, but the framerate would - over approximately 10 minutes of play - slow to an unplayable crawl. save game and restart it, and it would play well again, but within 10 minutes, down to an unplayable crawl again.
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Oddly enough STALKER: Clear Sky worked perfectly from the start for me with my HD6950s. I didn't need to fiddle around with settings or drivers. It was literally plug and play. Though my experience with Metro2033 was the exact same.
 
I bet launch will coincide with Intels Skylake release. That way, they can bank on people doing complete system upgrades with the newest equipment. Only thing that makes sense at this point for a release time. So say August/September?
 
doz said:
I bet launch will coincide with Intels Skylake release. That way, they can bank on people doing complete system upgrades with the newest equipment. Only thing that makes sense at this point for a release time. So say August/September?
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August/September would be nearly an entire year after the GTX 980 launch... Either there have been some really big issues and delays that we don't know about, or AMD is biding their time and making this thing perfect, so they can drop a bomb on Nvidia.
 
Well Roy's been completely mum about the 390X, so that's encouraging at least.
 
Well apparently GTA V is all wonky on AMD. Have fun with your 390x's when you can't even play massive, record breaking AAA games because of graphical issues anyways...
 
Dayaks said:
Well apparently GTA V is all wonky on AMD. Have fun with your 390x's when you can't even play massive, record breaking AAA games because of graphical issues anyways...
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GTA5 having graphical issues isn't exclusive to AMD.
 
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