NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X Video Card PREVIEW @ [H]

schoenda said:
Currently running SLI 780's (not Ti)...for me I would love to go to a single GPU as the infrequent but annoying multi-card issues will always be there, (currently Dying Light), but overall a pass from me on the Titan X, single 780 can limp by still when it has to...It will be hard to pass whatever the next next gen can do...the money is not significant for me but I am not immune to buyers remorse.

Does anybody want to try to convince me otherwise?
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I don't think it's a matter of trying to convince you, but a matter of how big your pocketbook is and how much you really want to spend and what kind of return you will get when you go to sell the new Titan(s) X you purchase.

I was able to get $750 each for my Titans when I sold them and purchased my current setup.
 
LBJM said:
if it's vram you want to can buy an 8GB 290X http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150723

Even the Titan X can't beat a 7990 in Farcry 4 with ultra settings at 2560x1440.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9059/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-review/11

Vram of 12GB will matter for future cards that can actually push 4k no single gpu can reach 100fps can at the moment. You'd have to go dual gpu no matter what, 12GB vram is a gimmick on this card I doubt it could use even 8GB.
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Maybe not the right expression but a gimmick it is not. Is it a feature that is not used 100% of the time , wouldn't be surprised if it came down to single digit percentage. But it is a part of the marketing and bragging rights .......
 
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Wow only around 30-35% faster for $1000?......i would expect more performance for around 50% price increase.
 
I'm probably going to replace my 1440p setup with a single card this go round. I'm going to wait and see what the 390x/980Ti offer before doing a refresh of my 680s/7970s. $2000 is my GPU spending limit for the two systems.
 
Teenyman45 said:
Kyle have you noticed, like Techpowerup is showing, that the Titan X is throttling out of boost (and down to ~1GHZ) when using the stock thermal ceiling of 84C and, presumably, the stock fan profile?
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Reference 980 throttles too. Nvidia set the TDP low on the Maxwell cards so its going to hit it at times. And its going to hit the temp limit at times too. All you have to do is simply raise the power/temp limit with a single slider and will stop that throttling.
 
This is he same thing as the last Titan release. Paying a premium to have fastest card and the extra vram. Once 390x comes out this will be 1k for basically extra vram. We will surely see a cheaper/faster version of this with 6gb.
 
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Tgrove said:
This is he same thing as the last Titan release. Paying a premium to have fastest card and the extra vram. Once 390x comes out this will be 1k for basically extra vram. We will surely see a cheaper version of this with 6gb.
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Undoubtedly but if you have the money, why not? If not, wait 3-4 months for the cheaper version. To some people getting to play with a top end card for 3-4 months before everyone else is worth the price of admission.
 
5150Joker said:
Undoubtedly but if you have the money, why not? If not, wait 3-4 months for the cheaper version. To some people getting to play with a top end card for 3-4 months before everyone else is worth the price of admission.
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I agree, to each his own. Even though I have no kids, not married, could afford, it crosses a moral standpoint for me. I wouldn't mind either if these cards held their value longer and gpu releases were even more spread out.
 
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Tgrove said:
This is he same thing as the last Titan release. Paying a premium to have fastest card and the extra vram. Once 390x comes out this will be 1k for basically extra vram. We will surely see a cheaper/faster version of this with 6gb.
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That's assuming the 390X will emerge as a performance competitor to the Titan X. I doubt the 390X will offer the same 30% jump over the 980...probably 10-20% more. And that's if AMD was able to get power consumption and heat output under control with this upcoming release.

But no one knows yet...I hope the 390X comes out as a name-takin' ass kicker priced at (or below) $500-550.
 
DejaWiz said:
That's assuming the 390X will emerge as a performance competitor to the Titan X. I doubt the 390X will offer the same 30% jump over the 980...probably 10-20% more. And that's if AMD was able to get power consumption and heat output under control with this upcoming release.

But no one knows yet...I hope the 390X comes out as a name-takin' ass kicker priced at (or below) $500-550.
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I think with that HBM it's got, the 390X has a very solid chance of beating the Titan X at 4K resolution and maybe matching or losing at 1440p. Kinda like how the 290x to this day still keeps up with 980 at 4K thanks to being 512 bit.
 
DejaWiz said:
But no one knows yet...I hope the 390X comes out as a name-takin' ass kicker priced at (or below) $500-550.
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So what you're saying is you want AMD/ATI to pull another 9700 Pro? That would be awesome.
 
jorojr said:
So what you're saying is you want AMD/ATI to pull another 9700 Pro? That would be awesome.
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That's precisely what both us consumers and AMD needs right now. Or we're going to be stuck with more $700-800 top-tier cards that fall short of latest-gen Titan performance. I really don't want either AMD or nvidia to have any excuses for 780ti-like pricing ever again.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
Maybe not the right expression but a gimmick it is not. Is it a feature that is used 100% of the time , wouldn't be surprised if it came down to single digit percentage. But it is a part of the marketing and bragging rights .......
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Unless for some reason the 12GB of vram is used in VR that amount of ram you will be lucky to use 8GB of ram in the next year. They took out the compute component to the gpu so there goes that usage for the extra ram, for the current generation of GPUs I stand by my comment that 12GB of vram is a gimmick. Somebody should ask skyrim devs to an 8k texture upgrade. I wish they'd clock the gpu to 2ghz instead.
 
"Apparently NVIDIA wants to remain on the forefront of performance, perhaps this is a preemptive move on NVIDIA's part."
Ya think Brent, ya think. :D
 
Typical Titan story. A card that absolutely blows everything out of the water, but carries a disproportionately high price tag while doing so. I'd so love to own one of these, but I can't justify spending $1000 on it.
 
DASHlT said:
Wow only around 30-35% faster for $1000?......i would expect more performance for around 50% price increase.
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Really? :rolleyes: This again.

You would have unrealistic expectations.

Never in the history of GPU's has performance scaled linearly with price.

The halo models always carry a price premium per performance. No exceptions.

But not just them, The higher the performance, the higher the price/perf, throughout the lineup of either manufacturer.

This is exactly where I expected the Titan X to fall price wise. I even thought it might fall about $100 higher.
 
Teenyman45 said:
Kyle have you noticed, like Techpowerup is showing, that the Titan X is throttling out of boost (and down to ~1GHZ) when using the stock thermal ceiling of 84C and, presumably, the stock fan profile?
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As stated, mine showed consistent 1190MHz clock speeds, I didn't see any down throttling over prolonged gaming. The gpu clock graph in GPUz did not show any dips or anything in the clock speed.

However, I will further test this by outputting core clock over a longer period of time in each game, and make a graph of it, and see what exactly the clock speed does for the full-evaluation, and make it clear what we find.
 
I'm in for two but I'm going to wait to see what the R390 card has to offer. Perhaps they will compete well enough to bring the price of the Titan X down a bit. I'll be getting two of one of these cards within the next 2 months. The performance of Titan X is just tremendous. I expect at best for R390 to match it or come close enough. I don't expect it to beat this performance but I hope I'm wrong.
 
DejaWiz said:
But no one knows yet...I hope the 390X comes out as a name-takin' ass kicker priced at (or below) $500-550.
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Sounds unlikely to me.

If they can match the Titan X in performance, they will price it at, or near the same price.

If it comes above, they will price it at or above.

If it comes below they will price it below.

If they price much below the competition they are leaving money on the table. No sane business is going to do that.
 
Great preview. Can't wait to see you guys overclock this baby and see how far it goes.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041491964 said:
Sounds unlikely to me.

If they can match the Titan X in performance, they will price it at, or near the same price.

If it comes above, they will price it at or above.

If it comes below they will price it below.

If they price much below the competition they are leaving money on the table. No sane business is going to do that.
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Huh, do you not remember the 290X launch?

The 290X traded blows with the original Titan and was half the cost (edit: Nearly - forgot the 290X technically launched at $600, but still, significantly cheaper). In fact if you look at some recent benchmarks, the 290X is more often than not faster than the Titan. Also for some reason NV really dropped the ball on Kepler drivers after Maxwell was released - even the 290 non-X pulls ahead of the Titan in a lot of games now...

See here:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/17.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/23.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/22.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/16.html
 
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Zarathustra[H];1041491964 said:
Sounds unlikely to me.

If they can match the Titan X in performance, they will price it at, or near the same price.

If it comes above, they will price it at or above.

If it comes below they will price it below.

If they price much below the competition they are leaving money on the table. No sane business is going to do that.
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I think we can expect this to go just like last time. 390/x will come out and be just as fast if not faster for cheaper and nvidia will release a 6gb version of the titan x as the x80/ti to compete with the 390/x price point.

I personally hope the 390x is faster than the titan x. What we want is another "gtx 780 price drop" situation. This will give us a reasonably priced 6gb maxwell with 2500+ cores
 
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I bought 2 x 290x on launch night / day / morning and they were $549 each not $600.

Within the first week, yes, Newegg started to gouge and you started to see Asus at $600+.

The 390x water cooling edition will be $750 I'm guessing.
 
Too Pricey, 30-37% it looks like performance. And almost as loud as a reference 290x and throttles at 84c. Sounds like they took advice from AMD...wth?

Talk about a downer of a $1000 product. Not even DP on it to justify the price.

If SLI and Crossfire weren't so crappy I would go that route.

Sigh hopefully we get a cut down version for ALOT cheaper again.
 
Brent_Justice said:
However, I will further test this by outputting core clock over a longer period of time in each game, and make a graph of it, and see what exactly the clock speed does for the full-evaluation, and make it clear what we find.
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That sounds awesome, Brent. Once you get to overclocking the beast it will be interesting to see what clocks you can get. I saw in the Anandtech review that they hit 1450MHz on the core, but had this to say about it:
At its peak this leads to the GTX Titan X pushing a maximum boost clock of 1.45GHz, and while TDP restrictions mean it can’t sustain this under most workloads, it’s still an impressive outcome for overclocking such a large GPU.
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A pile of horse cock IMHO, why even mention that it is the maximum overclock if it cannot sustain it?
 
Yeah $1000 for a card with no compute muscle...Ngreedia at it again! good thing AMD is around, can you imagine their pricing if they weren't? Should have been called a 990, given 6GB RAM and priced at $800. Great performance, but not a real TITAN...Really looking forward to what AMD brings to the table!
 
Can we finally stop hearing about you don't need more than 4 GB of ram. I play @ 4K and every single AAA game that has come out pegs close to 4 GB with only 75% of the eye candy turned on. Thanks for the review!
 
LBJM said:
Unless for some reason the 12GB of vram is used in VR that amount of ram you will be lucky to use 8GB of ram in the next year. They took out the compute component to the gpu so there goes that usage for the extra ram, for the current generation of GPUs I stand by my comment that 12GB of vram is a gimmick. Somebody should ask skyrim devs to an 8k texture upgrade. I wish they'd clock the gpu to 2ghz instead.
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I agree. 12GB is definitely a gimmick - really just stating there are "no limits" in the VRAM department so those that buy them can just not worry about it at all. They would have been fine with anything more than 6GB.

However, playing devil's advocate - if they launched the Titan X with 8GB of RAM how do you think the responses would be like in here? :D

On another note - I understand everyones value argument against the GTX Titan X - but (as I've been posting in other threads) you're looking at GTX 970 SLI performance ($700) in a single card with more than 3X the VRAM for a $300 premium. That's not as much when you look at it from that perspective. Definitely not for most gamers, though - I understand.
 
sk3tch said:
I agree. 12GB is definitely a gimmick - really just stating there are "no limits" in the VRAM department so those that buy them can just not worry about it at all. They would have been fine with anything more than 6GB.

However, playing devil's advocate - if they launched the Titan X with 8GB of RAM how do you think the responses would be like in here? :D

On another note - I understand everyones value argument against the GTX Titan X - but (as I've been posting in other threads) you're looking at GTX 970 SLI performance ($700) in a single card with more than 3X the VRAM for a $300 premium. That's not as much when you look at it from that perspective. Definitely not for most gamers, though - I understand.
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Not really 970 sli performance not even close actually.
 
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