Why isn't Shadowplay making a bigger splash?

[Brackle]

Because you can use Fraps and MSI AB. When I go to install the package for the drives. I usually click on the just the drivers and Physx. The rest is usually stuff you dont need.

I am not saying shadowplay sucks, I just dont see a need for it when you can use different programs that have been around for awhile.

I would like to add fraps and MSI AB Work on all cards, even the old 400/500 series Nvidia cards.

 

[xoleras]

If you missed it earlier in the thread, the problem with FRAPs is that it is a piece of shit in terms of resource utilization. Streamers on twich who also upload youtube vids regularly buy SB-E and IB-E because of CPU utilization - FRAPs and DXtory when recording super large files will bring a quad core, even a 4770k, to its knees.

Shadow play doesn't have that problem. It is meager on CPU usage, that is the draw of shadow play.

It isn't that other recording programs don't exist. It is that none of them do what shadow play does. Of course, if you don't like recording gameplay you can happily ignore shadow play...it isn't for everyone.

 

[BroHamBone]

I been wanting to grab it, just have not. Yes fraps it a big hit to fps, well on 3 screens at least....now I'm down to 1 screen,.I'm going to grab shadow play and give it a run.

 

[noobferguson]

I just went and tried Shadowplay because of what everyone's been saying in this thread.

Dropped my FPS in Borderlands from avg. 120+ to avg. 80 and made it choppy as hell.

No thanks.

 

[rudy]

Because many PC gamers already know how to record demos etc.... All these post play recording things are kinda just stuff for ignorant people who don't know that demo recording exists. It doesn't mean it does not have value, it is just that people who already know and care about this already have a method that has more power so why do they want to go back to a limited feature proprietary method for doing this? In the end something like shadow play will probably become popular but it just takes time I guess. I view it much like facebook, or twitter, how many new people don't realize that in actuality all these products did was copy an existing service and make it so it wasn't compatible with anything? Twitter is really just rss feeds, facebook just blogs, and stolen idead from digg.... People who already knew how to use the more powerful standard implementations are not excited because these services are worse. People who don't know typically are not at a forum like this. People might be really excited over at the COD forums though.

 

[Brent_Justice]

I wish Shadowplay would record one continuous file, instead of breaking it up, or give you the option, either split, or don't split up, the files. If it had that option, I would like this more. Right now, fraps allows me to split, or record a continuous file.

 

[btgorman]

I just went and tried Shadowplay because of what everyone's been saying in this thread.

Dropped my FPS in Borderlands from avg. 120+ to avg. 80 and made it choppy as hell.

No thanks.

sli?

 

[StoleMyOwnCar]

This post is going to look longer than it actually is thanks to mega quote fest.

I've been gaming since 1985. I've never once recorded anything of myself playing. I'm sure as hell there are a lot more people like me who don't care to record themselves gaming than there are of you. Yes it's a neat feature for those who care, but don't kid yourself to the amount of people who do care. I think the people who most want to use these features are kids who can't afford a videocard.

Um... actually, I think this is exactly what the problem is with this forum. Too many old people who can't keep up with the times.

>_>

Well, While I am not sure of the numbers, I am pretty sure that most gamers don't use or will never use recording features.

You can even look at the thread title, why isn't there a bigger splash about shadowplay? It's a great feature and seems to work really well but at the end of the day it's only a minority that uses it.

Actually, I was asking why it wasn't making a bigger splash in these forums, mainly.

Now it's you that's making up numbers? Where are you getting the one in twenty from? I know a couple of hundred gamers from steam, lan party's etc I know none of them record anything ever. The majority of gamers use crap video cards if you go by steam surveys, so they aren't recording. I would think 5% is been kinda generous.

.... Are you serious? This is a level of mathematical difficulty that I never expected from Hard forums. I mean, I know material all the way through Differential Equations by trade, but this is rather elementary.

5%=0.05
x*0.05=1.00=100%
x=20
y/20=0.05=y/x
y=1
x/y=0.05/1.00=1/20=(0.05*20)/(1*20)

I think you get it, 5% of any target population is at least one in every 20 people of said target population. I'm just putting things into perspective because statistics are annoying unless you bring them down to whole numbers. So, one in twenty, two in forty, and three in sixty. That's how small of a population that games you say would use Shadowplay. I was pointing out that the ratio likely does not hold true throughout this topic.

You can't use your own subjective experience as baseline for the numbers that will be using shadowplay. You said it yourself, why isn't there more noise about it? Nobody uses it, that's why. A thread over on OCN doesn't prove that's it widely used. Most of the same posters time and time again.

... Actually, I was asking why there wasn't more buzz on it on these forums. Anyway, I think it's probably going to make a much bigger hit when it's integrated into streaming.

Don't get me wrong, Shadowplay is awesome. And I am really interested it, I would never use it myself but I think it's a great feature and I have followed it's progress all along. And maybe because of it's ease of use more and more people will start to use it.

<_<
This is kind of at odds with everything you've said earlier.

I just went and tried Shadowplay because of what everyone's been saying in this thread.

Dropped my FPS in Borderlands from avg. 120+ to avg. 80 and made it choppy as hell.

No thanks.

Yeah, looks like they're having some issues with above-average hits to FPS and whatnot with the current drivers. I'll have to withdraw my "it's friggin awesome" vote till they fix this. Now it's "mostly great, but has some issues that need to be fixed".

I wish Shadowplay would record one continuous file, instead of breaking it up, or give you the option, either split, or don't split up, the files. If it had that option, I would like this more. Right now, fraps allows me to split, or record a continuous file.

IIRC it does allow you to record one continous, just only in Windows 8. I think it's a limitation of the codec in Win 7 or something. =(

Because many PC gamers already know how to record demos etc.... All these post play recording things are kinda just stuff for ignorant people who don't know that demo recording exists. It doesn't mean it does not have value, it is just that people who already know and care about this already have a method that has more power so why do they want to go back to a limited feature proprietary method for doing this? In the end something like shadow play will probably become popular but it just takes time I guess. I view it much like facebook, or twitter, how many new people don't realize that in actuality all these products did was copy an existing service and make it so it wasn't compatible with anything? Twitter is really just rss feeds, facebook just blogs, and stolen idead from digg.... People who already knew how to use the more powerful standard implementations are not excited because these services are worse. People who don't know typically are not at a forum like this. People might be really excited over at the COD forums though.

I really do hope it becomes more popular over time. The more popular it gets, the more interest Nvidia throws at it, the more it improves and heck... we may get to the point where we're talking a 5-10% hit to FPS, maximum (on SLI), and the video recording will look even better. I know that's enough to make those streamers fly over to Nvidia cards.

 

[Venomous]

I see shadow play as something cool and definitely can become useful to spot cheating and stuff like that . I've been gaming since 1996 on PC and I think it has it's appeal to a lot of people for different reasons. The fact that it can record quality 1080P with very little performance hit is outstanding .

Also I've learned to game better by watching better players with the videos posted . Not sure why this isn't being embraced as much as it should . Different strokes I suppose.

 

[btgorman]

.... Are you serious? This is a level of mathematical difficulty that I never expected from Hard forums. I mean, I know material all the way through Differential Equations by trade, but this is rather elementary.

5%=0.05
x*0.05=1.00=100%
x=20
y/20=0.05=y/x
y=1
x/y=0.05/1.00=1/20=(0.05*20)/(1*20)

i have a degree in mathematics and this whole thing is a mess. wtf are you tying to do here? lol.

 

[trungracingdev]

Um... actually, I think this is exactly what the problem is with this forum. Too many old people who can't keep up with the times.

Its old people like me who can afford to buy these videocards. Recording myself gaming is considered catching up with the times? ok boy....

 

[Trimlock]

I wish Shadowplay would record one continuous file, instead of breaking it up, or give you the option, either split, or don't split up, the files. If it had that option, I would like this more. Right now, fraps allows me to split, or record a continuous file.

Another thing too is that most people don't care, if a game does it already its a really cool feature, if you have to enable something or set up some settings to get it working most people won't GAS.

 

[AltTabbins]

I love the mentality of some people..
"I dont use it, so nobody else does."

 

[Unknown-One]

IStreamers on twich who also upload youtube vids regularly buy SB-E and IB-E because of CPU utilization - FRAPs and DXtory when recording super large files will bring a quad core, even a 4770k, to its knees.

You'd think people serious about capture or streaming would just buy an HDMI capture card with pass-through...

Flawless 1080p recording, all encoding handled by the capture card's dedicated hardware, doesn't matter what CPU or graphics card you have, etc.

 

[AltTabbins]

You'd think people serious about capture or streaming would just buy an HDMI capture card with pass-through...

Flawless 1080p recording, all encoding handled by the capture card's dedicated hardware, doesn't matter what CPU or graphics card you have, etc.

Some people don't want to buy another piece of hardware. Not to mention that capture cards have their own problems.

 

[StoleMyOwnCar]

i have a degree in mathematics and this whole thing is a mess. wtf are you tying to do here? lol.

.... That degree hasn't served you well. I'm simply showing that 5% is 1/20 aka 1 in 20 people, since he was asserting that I was pulling 1 in 20 out of my butt. That's quite frankly not true, it's a simple bit of algebra.

And yeah I know, my stuff has always been messy in terms of execution. I'm not a mathematician, just a computer engineer (granted all I do is coding in my current job, hence my degree is somewhat moot). I'm that person that draws flowcharts on my classical physics tests because my stuff is all over the place.

Its old people like me who can afford to buy these videocards. Recording myself gaming is considered catching up with the times? ok boy....

Actually I can assure you my out of college degree pays me well enough. I mean I've got a 4770k and 780's in sli right now. Shrug.

You'd think people serious about capture or streaming would just buy an HDMI capture card with pass-through...

Flawless 1080p recording, all encoding handled by the capture card's dedicated hardware, doesn't matter what CPU or graphics card you have, etc.

That costs like 150$? Okay yeah, cool. My 1440p display doesn't even have an HDMI port, and many monitors have HDMI ports that are limited in resolution. I'd prefer to spend 150$ more on a better graphics card and let Shadowplay handle everything for me rather than messing with that crap.

I love the mentality of some people..
"I dont use it, so nobody else does."

Agreed. I believe there's a psychological principle attached to that. Something about believing that you are the average.

 

[xoleras]

Its old people like me who can afford to buy these videocards. Recording myself gaming is considered catching up with the times? ok boy....

Erm, what? It certainly doesn't take a millionaire to afford a GTX 600 or 700 class GPU. You can easily buy one for fairly cheap, even college age kids (who seem to buy ipads and iphones like crazy) can get one if they have a job.

Look. It's just a free perk for having the card. Nothing more nothing less. It means some of those college age kids who want to record PC gameplay can do so for free since they're likely already buying a GPU anyway.....

 

[jincuteguy]

The reason Shadow Play is not popular yet is that they haven'et added the streaming to Twitch option, which I think should be the main "goal" of Shadow Play. Local recording is fine but live " streaming" is the new trend now aday. So until they added the streaming to Twitch option, it won't be popular yet.

 

[Ebernanut]

I love the mentality of some people..
"I dont use it, so nobody else does."

The OP asked why it wasn't popular so that seems like a perfectly valid response, I think the people here that are interested in it are the ones falsely assuming they are in the majority (without any solid numbers that's just a guess but the lack of interest is a good indicator).

The bottom line is that there are other options that have been around longer so it's not revolutionary and I still haven't heard anyone mention any advantages it has over afterburner, a lot of people are comparing it to fraps but fraps records uncompressed video so of course it's going to use more resources. Afterburner is free, light on resources, easy to use, encodes to h.264, and anyone can use it regardless of what hardware they have so I fail to see how shadowplay is any better.

 

[GoldenTiger]

Because you can use Fraps and MSI AB. When I go to install the package for the drives. I usually click on the just the drivers and Physx. The rest is usually stuff you dont need.

I am not saying shadowplay sucks, I just dont see a need for it when you can use different programs that have been around for awhile.

I would like to add fraps and MSI AB Work on all cards, even the old 400/500 series Nvidia cards.

MSI AB and Fraps cause a HUGE framerate hit and can't be run recording full-time with an X minute clip-off due to that. Also they kill your framerate if you try to game with them going anyway. Shadowplay has virtually no performance loss due to the hardware-based encoding, does 60fps, and does it at a small file size. Shadowplay is FAR superior.

 

[StoleMyOwnCar]

MSI AB and Fraps cause a HUGE framerate hit and can't be run recording full-time with an X minute clip-off due to that. Also they kill your framerate if you try to game with them going anyway. Shadowplay has virtually no performance loss due to the hardware-based encoding, does 60fps, and does it at a small file size. Shadowplay is FAR superior.

Well I want to make a note that with current drivers and implementation the performance hit is higher than I think it should be. They've got some work to do. The last driver/Experience package worked better, which is kind of confusing...

 

[lirpa]

This is pretty nice. I hadn't heard about this and will have to try it out - there many crazy BF4 moments that could be captured by this.

Thanks for posting!

 

[Lorien]

I'm just kind of confused about this,

There is absolutely nothing to be confused about. Game recording is nothing new, there are several free, well supported apps already available and that have far more features (OBS and Xsplit are the golden standard as of now). Even AMD has their own app that does it as well and it streams to twitch directly while Nvida's doesn't so in the end shadowplay is just another "me too" gimmick.

 

[FearTheCow]

Because the vast majority, as in 99%+ of gamers, don't care about recording game play for themselves or others. The vast majority of gamers just want to start up a game and play, why watch yourself playing a game when you could be playing the game instead?

 

[Deleted whining member 223597]

MSI AB and Fraps cause a HUGE framerate hit and can't be run recording full-time with an X minute clip-off due to that. Also they kill your framerate if you try to game with them going anyway. Shadowplay has virtually no performance loss due to the hardware-based encoding, does 60fps, and does it at a small file size. Shadowplay is FAR superior.

Give obs a try. I'm pretty sure that runs good and it's free.

 

[StoleMyOwnCar]

Because the vast majority, as in 99%+ of gamers, don't care about recording game play for themselves or others. The vast majority of gamers just want to start up a game and play, why watch yourself playing a game when you could be playing the game instead?

... So you've never done something awesome and wanted to record it so that you could see it later? I think people are mistaken about something. Shadowplay can record into the past AND manual record into the future. We're talking you can just be playing a game normally and then do something and go "oh man, I wish I could save that for later to show the friends when they come over to my place (or to upload it to youtube)". Well with Shadowplay you can. One button press, you have the last 10-20 minutes of gameplay. Encoded in a file. Instant.

Also again with the made up 99%.

There is absolutely nothing to be confused about. Game recording is nothing new, there are several free, well supported apps already available and that have far more features (OBS and Xsplit are the golden standard as of now). Even AMD has their own app that does it as well and it streams to twitch directly while Nvida's doesn't so in the end shadowplay is just another "me too" gimmick.

Sorry, what is this? I tried googling and could not find it. Also, from what I've read none of those give the (lack of) performance hit that Shadowplay does... nor have I actually heard of anything recording into the past.

 

[ZaC851]

Because the vast majority, as in 99%+ of gamers, don't care about recording game play for themselves or others. The vast majority of gamers just want to start up a game and play, why watch yourself playing a game when you could be playing the game instead?

because the point is that you can save a badass moment with the push of a button, and have very little performance hit for being able to do so.

But I can understand how some of you guys wouldn't be interested in this, being that you never do anything cool worth saving or showing off

 

[FearTheCow]

... So you've never done something awesome and wanted to record it so that you could see it later? I think people are mistaken about something. Shadowplay can record into the past AND manual record into the future. We're talking you can just be playing a game normally and then do something and go "oh man, I wish I could save that for later to show the friends when they come over to my place (or to upload it to youtube)". Well with Shadowplay you can. One button press, you have the last 10-20 minutes of gameplay. Encoded in a file. Instant.

Also again with the made up 99%.



Sorry, what is this? I tried googling and could not find it. Also, from what I've read none of those give the (lack of) performance hit that Shadowplay does... nor have I actually heard of anything recording into the past.

Go ahead and count the number of people posting videos on youtube of themselves playing, then realize that there are 10's of millions of people playing PC games. So yes, the number of people wanting to record themselves play in the grand scheme of things is going to be less the 1%.

because the point is that you can save a badass moment with the push of a button, and have very little performance hit for being able to do so.

But I can understand how some of you guys wouldn't be interested in this, being that you never do anything cool worth saving or showing off

Who and when are you going to share this with someone? what makes you think your friends really want you to keep sending them recordings of you playing? I would rather a) do bad ass things with someone while playing, and b)bullshit with someone over doing badass things while playing games.

 

[ZaC851]

Who and when are you going to share this with someone? what makes you think your friends really want you to keep sending them recordings of you playing? I would rather a) do bad ass things with someone while playing, and b)bullshit with someone over doing badass things while playing games.

I play BF and "99%+" LOVE watching badass moments from other people. And the same can be said for "99%+" of other games and gamers too .

 

[Deleted whining member 223597]

I feel like you are more gnawing at his over generalization than actually believing tons of people being interested in recordings. The plot thickens in this thread...

 

[FearTheCow]

I play BF and "99%+" LOVE watching badass moments from other people. And the same can be said for "99%+" of other games and gamers too .

So you are one of the few who like watching other people play, good for you. In the end shadowplay is a very niche "feature" and should be treated as such.

 

[buttons]

I agree, i wouldnt use it because I would be embarrassed to show off my mediocrity. There is certain situations it would be handy, but alas. i dont have a computer to game on since they are all to busy making me money mining virtual coins.

 

[ZaC851]

So you are one of the few who like watching other people play, good for you. In the end shadowplay is a very niche "feature" and should be treated as such.

yes, I like watching someone do something awesome in the game I play, but keep rewording it to try and have a valid argument. There is nothing "niche" about it. Unless you think the millions of youtube videos of games is somehow "niche".

 

[wonderfield]

Because the vast majority, as in 99%+ of gamers, don't care about recording game play for themselves or others. The vast majority of gamers just want to start up a game and play, why watch yourself playing a game when you could be playing the game instead?

It's worth pointing out that both consoles implement these kinds of features, and they're headline features for those machines. I find it hard to imagine that fewer than 1% of gamers have any interest in recording, streaming and sharing gameplay.

 

[btgorman]

.... Are you serious? This is a level of mathematical difficulty that I never expected from Hard forums. I mean, I know material all the way through Differential Equations by trade, but this is rather elementary.

5%=0.05
x*0.05=1.00=100%
x=20
y/20=0.05=y/x
y=1
x/y=0.05/1.00=1/20=(0.05*20)/(1*20)

i have a degree in mathematics and this whole thing is a mess. wtf are you tying to do here? lol.

.... That degree hasn't served you well. I'm simply showing that 5% is 1/20 aka 1 in 20 people, since he was asserting that I was pulling 1 in 20 out of my butt. That's quite frankly not true, it's a simple bit of algebra.

I'll let my peers be the judge of that, and not you.

Let me put this in terms you may be able to understand, in an analogy.

You wanted to go north 1 block, down the street to put gas in your car. Except you went east, zig-zagging through China Town, then north through the Trash Yard to take in the smell of nature, and finally Southwest through a swamp and eaten by mosquitoes (How did you find a swamp in a metropolitan area???), and finally ended up at the gas station 1 block from where you began.

You got there, but it was an adventure.

Now moving on... What you (claimed) showed is 1/20 equals 0.05. (despite how messy) No one is disputing that 1/20 = 0.05, and no one will. (oh god. I hope) But for him to say you pulled 1 in 20 out of your butt, is also for him to say you pulled 5% out of your butt. (1 in 20 iff 5%) Because 1 in 20 and 5% are biconditional, they can be used interchangeably. As far as I'm concerned, you DID pull 5% out of your butt, therefore you pulled 1 in 20 out of your butt.

But then again, at this point both yourself and trungracingdev are pulling numbers out of your respective butts.

OH how about this:

5%=0.05
x*0.05=1.00=100%
x=20
y/20=0.05=y/x
y=1
x/y=0.05/1.00=1/20=(0.05*20)/(1*20)

x/y = 20/1 = 20
but you say: x/y = 0.05/1.00 = 0.05

Huh?

 

[Wildace]

i want shadow play, but from amd. heh

 

[StoleMyOwnCar]

Now moving on... What you (claimed) showed is 1/20 equals 0.05. (despite how messy) No one is disputing that 1/20 = 0.05, and no one will. (oh god. I hope) But for him to say you pulled 1 in 20 out of your butt, is also for him to say you pulled 5% out of your butt. (1 in 20 iff 5%) Because 1 in 20 and 5% are biconditional, they can be used interchangeably. As far as I'm concerned, you DID pull 5% out of your butt, therefore you pulled 1 in 20 out of your butt.

Did you read his original post? He's the one that used 5% as his out of the butt statistic. I pointed out that for that to be true, there has to be a ratio of less than 1 in 20 people in THIS topic to even prove true here. Then he was confused about how that could possibly be true (apparently) and claimed that I'm pulling 1 in 20 out of my butt, apparently. I was simply equating his original assertion to a statistic and showing that it was absurd. I'm not the one that pulled 5% out of anywhere, he is.

I find it even more laughable that some people are claiming 99% disinterest..

x/y = 20/1 = 20
but you say: x/y = 0.05/1.00 = 0.05

Huh?

It was simply supposed to be y/x. Typo. You could have just pointed that out in the first place instead of being this roundabout. I typed it up at 2 AM, gimme a break.

Go ahead and count the number of people posting videos on youtube of themselves playing, then realize that there are 10's of millions of people playing PC games. So yes, the number of people wanting to record themselves play in the grand scheme of things is going to be less the 1%.

... Actually, have you counted the number of people posting youtube videos vs how many people game? I'm pretty sure no one has, and you're essentially just pulling out fake numbers. Not to mention you don't address one point: how many people would post more videos if it was this easy and painless? That's the biggest deal.

Who and when are you going to share this with someone? what makes you think your friends really want you to keep sending them recordings of you playing? I would rather a) do bad ass things with someone while playing, and b)bullshit with someone over doing badass things while playing games.

Who says you have to choose? What if you're playing a cooperative game with your friends and you guys pull off something really awesome without expecting it? Hit the record button, now you have something to reminisce with. How about that really awesome play you guys made together in League of Legends that totally tipped the game in your favor? Alt F10, it's saved. Now when you're at a LAN party or something and everyone's just getting drinks and something to eat and chilling, you can show them what happened with you guys playing. Or with you playing alone, who the heck cares? It's not like you're making a full-time investment with this. It's something you just click one button for, and then you have memories recorded in case a good time to show them ever arises...

Or you want to see what you were doing wrong here, or right there. The ability to press one button and record past footage is invaluable for self-improvement. Rarely does one go into a game recording everything. Most things that happen... happen without you being prepared. Heck, you can show it to a friend who's more skilled than you and ask him what you could have done different.

It's not like you need to pester your friends with every replay, either. Use the extremely useful skill called "tact" to decide when a good time to show them this or that would be. It's a part of the Speechcraft tree, learn to use it.

So you are one of the few who like watching other people play, good for you. In the end shadowplay is a very niche "feature" and should be treated as such.

One of the few? Lol. Are you insane? Have you taken a look at some of the hits on "let's play" videos? How about LoL streams? Some people make livings off of that stuff. Go take a look at those Youtube statistics you're so quick to bring up in your last post.

People like to watch other people do things occasionally (or for some a lot). The "who would want to watch x when they can do it themselves" argument? Yeah, that's what I apply to sports, hence I don't watch sports (and I rarely watch others play games). Now, though, would you look at the multibillion dollar industry that sports is? Now, then, ever heard of E-Sports? It's not like you have to be pro to have someone want to watch what you're doing (just for kicks).

 

[AltTabbins]

So you are one of the few who like watching other people play, good for you. In the end shadowplay is a very niche "feature" and should be treated as such.

Yup, one of the few +4.5 million people who view other people play on sites like twitch tv. Obviously a niche thing that nobody likes.

 

[btgorman]

Shadowplay is one of the many reasons I upgraded my Nvidia GPU recently. The competitive scene is quite interesting to watch on twitch. Now with Shadowplay, I can easily share any interesting plays with my buddies without giving away a lot of performance or paying much extra $$$.

It was simply supposed to be y/x. Typo. You could have just pointed that out in the first place instead of being this roundabout. I typed it up at 2 AM, gimme a break.

Wow... first on my ignore list. Took 4.4 years.

 

[Klapcos]

I use a hardware capture card from AverMedia (Live Gamer HD) and now I only use Shadowplay because I don't have to switch to crappy HDMI 60Hz. I can leave my system running on 144HZ through D-DVI and record whenever I feel like it. Easy and the push of a button for the last few 5-20 min is just beast! Perfect for my fps gaming moments.