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I've done this once as a quick fix for a bud too, eventually I went back and used some conductive glue to put the guy's mind at ease and it worked great. I normally wouldn't recommend it over soldering, but in situations where you can't get an iron in there without the risk of more damage it...

Just a heads up for OP I use the same motherboard, but I've been out of the loop on bios updates for this board for several months ("if it ain't broke, don't fix it"), so this information may be outdated. At the time I was configuring (overclocking and stability tweaking) this motherboard it...

Yeah, this is normally caused by Curve Optimizer having too strong of an offset, but CO can display other rare oddities too. In my case CO would only cause 1 core to crash on rare occasion in near idle instances, but even setting up that specific core with no curve or even a positive one would...

Possible margin of error in reporting? Though 0.031 does seem high for deviance; if programs report higher than a physical probe, that's what I'd usually suspect. May be the materials' thermal properties have a larger variance in resistance than expected and it's somehow effecting the way it's...

Recent beQuiet! models in the Straight Power 11 and Dark Power 12 series have had good trusted reviews, and they may have better availability in your location as well. Just make sure to cross reference reviews for the specific model you're looking at before purchase.

If resizable BAR is enabled, try disabling it (it puts more strain on the CPU, which could reduce performance on 1080p or CPU intensive games). Also try running PCI 3.0 instead of 4.0. Don't use AMD optimized Windows Power Plan profiles, those were designed for Ryzen 1/2. The default Balanced...

Games don't scale linearly with core count and don't see any benefit past a certain point, dependent on game engine/+modifications. The last I heard for more current games was up to around 10 worker threads in some titles with a few outliers that could use more, so we're still a way off from...

More cores [than the 5600x's 6] won't help in games currently unless they're also streaming; the native +100MHz boost the 5800x gets over the 5600x is the only direct upgrade I can see here. Running 1080p with a 1080Ti on an e-sport title isn't going to see many gains with a GPU upgrade outside...

Marketing basically. Both Intel and AMD do it and to a degree the chips support it when they're running "as advertised", however they no longer run "as advertised" out-of-the-box in many instances due to newer boost algorithms that allow free boosting (all-core up to rated max boost, if...

More or less the same here; only overclocked RAM to have a bit of fun, turned on PBO and found good limits for S&G, and now it's happy where it's at. More than anything, tweaking settings is more about attaining assured stability now since overclocking doesn't have much headroom; we're out of...

Something is definitely off if there's a temperature difference to that degree with no other changes. Did crashes with the BIOS update happen shortly after boot, after being idle for some time, or after having run programs for at least an hour? When you upgraded previously; Did you have to...

I'm not so sure about setting them to defaults; while the vDIMM may be undervolted on auto in most cases the default rated setting may be borderline too; otherwise, [CLDO] VDDP/IOD/CCD are often auto set too high for stock settings. Could try out 0.9v VDDP, 0.94/0.98v IOD, 0.9v CCD, may be try...

I've been going over current Win 11 patch results (3rd party, not my own); a lot of people are claiming L3 cache is fixed, but it's clear that latency is still off (avg seems to be 1ns delay in Aida64).

I've read some interesting reports on the CPPC <> Win 11 scheduler interaction/issue; apparently Win 11 does recognize the CPPC tags, but it'll intentionally throttle the cores [in use???] before/until a [heavier?] load is applied. The L3 cache behavioral findings are equally odd, it seems like...

Can I claim a favorite AiB instead? I've always been a fan of Sapphire due to build quality and customer support; they've been close to bar-none for the past couple decades I've been building.

Yeah, there are issues with AMD's CPPC <> Win 11 scheduler and weird things going on with L3 cache (Win11 overusing it causing issues). I've learned to wait several months to a year before deciding to adopt a new version of Win ever since Win Vista, also their development methodology has just...

This is usually the safest solution and you're going to have to manually input all your [old] settings any way [some of which may not work], since <fanfare> new bios.

Compared to stock, XMP? I don't think I even benched stock settings, XMP 3200 14-14-14-14-34 was ~58ns, iirc. Early 3600 stable averaged ~57ns, while earlier 3800 revisions were closer to ~55ns. Like I mentioned earlier the kit is an older b-die revision (type RC) on raw card revision B1, so...

Final settings for RAM for now. Probably took more work than it was worth, but it was a fun journey.

Yeah, no matter the solution, next time I remount my heatsink I'm going to check it dry with a flashlight and mirror to see how contact looks.

Yeah, that's true. It may be background applications/services... I know there have been a lot of idle temperature concerns because of them with ryzen on win 10, but more so concerns about idle temp spikes.

May also be due to IHS; a lot of the 5000 series seem to have inconsistent IHS geometry leading to a concave surface. If that's the case, may need to use a more viscous TIM or to lap the IHS (if it's worth it).

Pretty much. Current RAM tune I'm in the process of finalizing will look like it's on the weaker side, but latency is good and seems to put less stress on the imc, so I'm seeing a slight gain in boost frequency duration when benching. Fingers crossed there are no issues, haha

It's the primary reason I started RAM tuning! Played with PBO and got frustrated/bored, looked into more in-depth RAM tuning... And here I am, around 2 weeks later (mostly reading between testing), still messing with timings that already work to see if I can get better results :ROFLMAO...

The analogy is close, but I'm not sure if it's quite correct. Using PBO is more akin to using an ECU or plug-in module that has some basic map presets you can select, but not modify (normal, sport, eco); the CPU is able to take care of it's personal safety due to FIT, but you can refine what...

Thanks for the heads up, I'll give it a try when I've finished tweaking RAM again. Anta777 started posting on the ddr4 thread at overclock.net with some good info, so I'm trying to see if refining my timings with his info gets me better efficiency.

vCore offset instead of curve optimizer offset? I haven't thought about it, does it not disable PBO? I've got 2 weak cores that don't hit 4850 boost, so limited it to 4800; I got a funky CPU, 2 ultra efficient cores (don't boost well), 2 normal cores, and 2 leaky cores that get hotter than the...

Your temps look good. Are those normalized temperatures or just quick test? I wouldn't worry until it got into the 90s, since the only issues you'll get in the 80s are from more aggressive boost throttling which isn't the same as normal thermal limit throttling and shouldn't introduce odd...

Nice, it's been a bit since I've put together builds for buds, kinda miss the free booze (y) The x570 Tomahawk was mostly about the VRM, price (got it before the price hike), and feature set. Still seems like the bios/uefi is going to need more maturity, but it's enough for it's primary use in...

Haha, thanks. It's likely boredom; I'm use to spending at least a month tuning a new rig, but after all that was said and done, this only took a little over a week worth of actually doing anything.

Hey guys, just needed to vent a bit because this is the first build I've put together in over 20 years that's been so simple to tune that it's actually frustrating; I swear it's going to give me anxiety due to the lack of issues throughout stability testing. I went into this build fully...

You've got to start with the basics. Begin with 3600/1800 16-16-16-16-32-48 as that's almost guaranteed to be b-die stable on 5000 series [if not start with the same timings at 3200/1600]. Check out the github ddr4 overclocking guide (seems almost tailored for b-die) for some basics on tuning...

The curve optimizer is a step in the right direction, but it's not without issues. The main issue with it is that it's an offset range (1=3~5mv or some such) that doesn't allow you to tune voltages across different C-states/P-states, so if your setting is unstable in one instance you're going to...

Just to expand on this a bit; vSOC is tied to the infinity fabric (FCLK) and may need a little bump at higher rates, don't over do it and pump 1.2v into it if it isn't necessary since too much can also cause instability. You'll likely want to manually set IOD, CCD, VDDP as well since auto with...

I'm really feeling that with my first AMD build in decades. PBO's like an ECU we can't do much with; at least give me access to the "mapping" so I can fine tune voltages over a wide range! I could also "rip it out" and do an all-core, but what's the point if there's so little head-room and most...

You can always not use the front fan as well; the difference in performance isn't much, though I'm not sure if running a single fan will spin it up higher.

Nothing really new actually. You either get great hardware or great software in most cases; it's kind of rare to find something with both, but when you do it's like getting that first fuckin' birthday present you remember fondly.

Ah, if Microsoft is messing with low-power states and AMD is trying to conform, that would help explain why the bios settings have been unstable. I never got them to work proper on Haswell with a good overclock, so I'm not above disabling them for now.

I haven't tried it yet since my build is still in pieces. It (v153) seems to have similar mixed reviews to v151, but a bit more positive so far. edit; Most claim they can get higher speeds then v151, but c-states need to be disabled for stability

You're partially right. There's a slight performance increase with 4 ranks populated; that can be achieved by 4x single-rank modules or 2x dual-rank modules. As far as 2 vs 4 slots populated, it only really matters if you're pushing the limits for RAM overclocks (easier to achieve stability on 2...