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Yep total shipments are way down for both, thus why the total market share matters here. I mean your own chart show Nvidia shipments dropping to their lowest point in 2023. I have the feeling margins are not great for graphic cards, even EVGA citied that as the reason they dropped Nvidia. I feel...

I love how some just throw things out like that, have any actual proof of said statement?

Yet reports are otherwise. Nvidia still dominates sales but AMD has taken some market share back...

AMD may have reduced their allotment to an unsustainable level. But unless the company comes out and tells us why, were just speculating and the title was clickbait as even in the article they had no answers.

That is a ton smaller then the 47.5 billion they made on other products, like AI chips. What would you do when you are facing a capacity strained TSMC and need to pick a priority on what to produce?

Talk of new cards coming is probably going to make people hold off, plus the 4090 is still not a cheap card even used. Hopefully you find that person in need OP.

Higher thermal efficiency does not necessarily translate into a cleaner running engine. Just means it's turning more of the heat into useable power.

The super 4080's definitely sold, buy the regular 4080's never really sold well. But I just think the upcoming 5000 series will likely lack the performance to really push anyone to upgrade except the few that have to have the best, especially at 1,000 plus for it. Amazon shows stock for the 4080...

I feel a 5080 priced over 1,000 bucks will be a dust collector for retailers, sort of like the current 4080. Honestly I was a bit surprised how well the 4090 sold, so that may still do well at a higher price. Profit is far more important to the leather jacket right now, otherwise stock value...

Umm, no it's not. Link for graph https://fourweekmba.com/nvidia-revenue-by-segment/

I am a little less convinced they care about the consumer market as much right now, considering what their AI chips sell for at the moment. Will they give up on it, no. But I feel their focus is elsewhere and I think generational performance increases will start to suffer as they focus elsewhere...

Seen no rumors that suggest that is happening. Could it, sure. But with no info stating major core changes then, I don't expect much from the next chip. If more info come to light then my thoughts may change.

You do know they didn't rely on a node shrink for that. That took a significant core design change.

I find that unlikely unless they do more then a small node shrink. You just are not getting the same gains out of the shrinking nodes. I would be surprised if they eek out much more then a 25% uplift, unless they are doing more then just relying on a node shrink for the performance. Ray tracing...

Ok Linux compiling is not something many people do considering the market penetration for Linux is less than 5%. I also don't see someone comparing a 64 core threadripper vs a 16 core X3D chip for normal use. I had a 16 core chip and other than compiling video which I only do on a rare occasion...

I find it funny when some want to argue the price the video cards are going for do not matter. When in reality it matters quite a bit as the prices are so high that most people are just not buying them. Then that even a rub for those that are willing to pay anything to have the best, if the rest...

For a average gamer, I doubt it matters much at all. I mean it might constrain the theoretical limit of your NVME drive but that's about it.

Want Ray Tracing then you have to pay the Nvidia tax, especially with the amount of pixels you are pushing. Honestly I can tell if your using DLSS or FSR, they both have obvious visual artifacts and why I never want either on for any reason. Honestly there are very few titles where turning on...

You can tell who are Nvidia share holders in this thread. In a bit of a note it's been obvious for awhile that the US government is going to clamp down on high powered "AI" chips going to China. Any company looking to export to China with those kind of chips are going to be playing with fire.

Only if Meta finds a way to make it profitable enough to continue to invest in it.

I would love for a operating system that actually challenges windows, but Linux has never been super user friendly and without that, it will never become anything more than a niche program for the average user.

You are not a Moderator, just stop and learn to just enjoy the forum.

I think were taking a bit out of context, they said they reduced focus on single core clock speed and focused on higher clock speeds for multithreaded. Which has worked out just fine for me on my 5800X3D. Honestly I just think they are hitting a wall on clock speed.

I just don't understand arguing in support of such a policy. They found my limit and I think quite a few others as well for the price of a halo card, which tends to raise the price on the non halo cards. The reason why you don't is you can cause permanent demand destruction as people remember...

I love the fact were comparing the cost for car enthusiasts and video cards... I think most people expect the car parts to cost a ton more than a video card from the get go. However if that said car parts start costing lets say 60% more I can guarantee you that said enthusiast will start...

Because if the halo card is 2,500, the 5080 is not going to be under 1,000. Thus massive price creep on the whole stack.

That pricing is insane, people are really going to feel the pinch just to play at 4K. I will remain at good old 1440p and continue to not upgrade my video card at these crazy prices and still enjoy good frame rates on my lowly 6900XT. Just not seeing the point anymore to upgrade all the time...

There is always going to be fanboy BS, regardless of which brand. The answer has been simple, if ray tracing doesn't matter than whichever card is cheaper is the one to get. Yet here we are 6 pages later.

It's advice good or bad, so relevant to the thread. Agreeing or disagreeing is a personal opinion on said advice.

They would destroy them if that happened, rather then let them fall into enemy hands or we would nuke it to make sure that didn't happen.

Or figure out something that works better without that intellectual property. Not impossible but unlikely, probably the closest is ARM, but even then they still have a ways to go to really challenge Intel or AMD.

It's a brand new game and for some reason they can have issues with 1 brand over the other. Seen people with Nvidia cards have issues, check out the rants about Hogwarts Legacy and how AMD was sabotaging Nvidia or some other BS. Reality is sometimes you have to wait a bit for a better driver...

It can really depend where you are at in a game, in Hogwarts Legacy being in a town or in Hogwarts with lots of NPC's makes a huge difference in FPS. But canned benchmarks I find tend to be lower than actual gameplay.

I think some people like to collect them for some reason, personally I wouldn't buy one.

Yet they get sold all the time anyway. Clearly AMD, Nvidia and Intel really don't care that badly. No warranty or support is the real price you pay for buying these cards anyway.

Clearly some of you need to go to more concerts or something ;) Never ever heard a coil whine from any video card I have ever had and I run a water cooling loop that is nearly dead quiet.

Hmm guess I was thinking of Minimum Retail Price. Here is a link to that draconian setup https://ecotechmarine.com/new-customer . In the saltwater hobby this is super common setup and you wont be finding a better deal on the equipment unless the manufacturer decides to have a sale.

You would be wrong. It's called MAP pricing or Minimum Advertised Price. Quite a few manufacturers enforce this scheme on retailers here in the US.

Problem with Dreamworks thoughts, is the current "AI" can't really think, it's taking lots of known content and causing a slight spin on it. So at first people might like the art style but after a bit they will notice it's all kind of looks like the same style just slightly different in multiple...

Yeah that's what people always think and then history repeats itself. But you are welcome to buy at the currently massively over valued price of Nvidia right now and try to prove me wrong. AI is a hot buzzword right now, but at some point people are going to ask, why am I paying so much for it...