MSI Monitor Cheats for You

flegg said:
Without LAN can't prove legit. Always been that way. But this is clearly cheating. Only at the highest levels like top 0.1% are people NEVER missing something on the radar. As someone who was Diamond 1 back in the day when it was the highest tier even I could miss someone on the radar especially in an intense bottom 2v2/3 fight when there's a high mobility opponent on the other team. Not to mention the advantage this could have with against stuff like TF/shen/reksai/rengar/shaco etc. Not to mention just being able to grind games out with less fatigue to reach higher ELO faster because you don't need to look at the radar.
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I don't think people realize how big of a difference little things like this can make.

Just timing items in games like Quake and Halo is HUGE. Sounds simple, until you realize fucking it up by a few seconds several times is enough to turn the entire game. Just paying attention to and keeping these things in your head literally wins games. Paying attention to your minimap in a moba is the difference between your carry getting ganked or not, or maybe you making a play.

DukenukemX said:
At some point anti-cheats won't be effective enough. I doubt this monitor is going to be a huge concern because the idea doesn't sound useful, but eventually you'll see things like mice that auto aim and keyboards that auto dodge for you. Companies will make them, because people will buy them. What then?
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This is the exact thing AI will be used to give a fighting chance, it's exactly the scenario it's incredibly good at.

If it's subtle - and there's going to be subtle cheats - it's going to increase the number of watches required to convict. Overwatch already needed to converge on a consensus to convict. So, you've already increased how long you need to spend watching these by an order of magnitude at least, possibly multiple orders of magnitude and this will exasperate it further.

And it still banned pros and needed manual intervention.

There were over SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND CSGO games PER DAY half a decade ago. And the player count has over doubled on average since then. The number of games is over a billion in the last 5 years. Now multiply that workload by 10x because you can't convict from a single person watching.

https://steamcharts.com/app/730

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObhK8lUfIlc
 
blandead said:
You can make an AI bot to detect other AI bots and ban.

Even your password can be cracked based on your keyboard sound strokes over a zoom call.

Thanks for ruining mechanical keyboards hackers.
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You mean like this?
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socK said:
This is the exact thing AI will be used to give a fighting chance, it's exactly the scenario it's incredibly good at.
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Excellent, lets shack on it.
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If it's subtle - and there's going to be subtle cheats - it's going to increase the number of watches required to convict. Overwatch already needed to converge on a consensus to convict. So, you've already increased how long you need to spend watching these by an order of magnitude at least, possibly multiple orders of magnitude and this will exasperate it further.

And it still banned pros and needed manual intervention.

There were over SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND CSGO games PER DAY half a decade ago. And the player count has over doubled on average since then. The number of games is over a billion in the last 5 years. Now multiply that workload by 10x because you can't convict from a single person watching.
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The idea is if someone is being reported online as a cheater then that's enough to get a moderator involved. As much trust as you have in AI, it does make mistakes often. So either you have a lot of false flags and the AI bot starts a ban wave, or you get a human to review before a ban is accepted. Or just don't ban players and force them to fight against other suspected cheaters for months, which could also be a great way to train AI in how to detect cheaters. The MSI monitor is going to be really hard for an AI to detect, let alone a human.
 
A cheat like this would be impossible for an AI (or a person) to detect without actually seeing your screen in person, becuase it's barely a cheat. It's not using any information every player doesn't already have, it's just moving it around to an easier spot to see. Like I said before you could accomplish the same thing with a friend sitting with you telling you what's on the minimap.

If someone is wallhacking they have extra information and behave differently than a player without that information. That difference is what is detectable.
 
You literally cannot moderate it with people outside of hiring thousands upon thousands of FTE who do nothing but watch demos 24/7 365.

Nobody is tripling the size of their company with workers to do it, it isn't even in the realm of plausible math
 
Best hope is if the monitor just becomes a PR disaster otherwise not much can be done :/
 
DukenukemX said:
Seems even kernel anti-cheats no longer work. Even Valorant ain't safe. Ultimately it's going to have to be moderated.

View: https://youtu.be/RwzIq04vd0M?si=YBmxnRRt6Tdi7dV9
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This right here...
So now the screen reader is built right into the monitor and it is watching the HDMI input in real-time, so get the monitor and instead of trying to hack in an Arduino into the USB or serial bus for mouse movements they have to hack it into the device built into the monitor processing the HDMI feed for the AI, it saves them a step at the expense of having to open and possibly cut into the plastic of their monitor.
Love this video, I am tired of seeing the whole "well if they coded their game better the cheaters couldn't cheat" argument, none of those cheats there are even attempting to exploit the game, the closest it gets to exploiting code is done by people actively rooting their systems and loading drivers from some sketchy places and hoping it doesn't crypto mine on the side. Most are using external hardware mimicking actual hardware while using screen capture devices to serve as the input for the cheating devices.
This monitor gives them easier access to the screen output at a potentially lower latency.

The monitor itself isn't exactly a cheat, but I give it 3 days on the retail market before somebody is posting online how they modified theirs to be the best cheating tool they've ever had with a video of them using it a link to a detailed guide on how they did it to for $10.
 
Lakados said:
This right here...
So now the screen reader is built right into the monitor and it is watching the HDMI input in real-time, so get the monitor and instead of trying to hack in an Arduino into the USB or serial bus for mouse movements they have to hack it into the device built into the monitor processing the HDMI feed for the AI, it saves them a step at the expense of having to open and possibly cut into the plastic of their monitor.
Love this video, I am tired of seeing the whole "well if they coded their game better the cheaters couldn't cheat" argument, none of those cheats there are even attempting to exploit the game, the closest it gets to exploiting code is done by people actively rooting their systems and loading drivers from some sketchy places and hoping it doesn't crypto mine on the side. Most are using external hardware mimicking actual hardware while using screen capture devices to serve as the input for the cheating devices.
This monitor gives them easier access to the screen output at a potentially lower latency.

The monitor itself isn't exactly a cheat, but I give it 3 days on the retail market before somebody is posting online how they modified theirs to be the best cheating tool they've ever had with a video of them using it a link to a detailed guide on how they did it to for $10.
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As shown the monitor's only input is a video signal and it's only output is a video signal. So unless it can get or transmit data some other way like USB it isn't going to be useful for any real cheats, it's just goint be modifying the UI with information already available to the player. People won't be able to aimbot, wallhack, etc.
 
sharknice said:
As shown the monitor's only input is a video signal and its only output is a video signal. So unless it can get or transmit data some other way like USB it isn't going to be useful for any real cheats, it's just goint be modifying the UI with information already available to the player. People won't be able to aimbot, wallhack, etc.
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All you need for the aim bot is a video feed, currently, it’s done by using a screen capture to an external device like an Arduino or a Pi, that simply triggers an on mouse over macro so that way the trigger gets pulled only when the mouse is over the target. It’s able to use general outlines to determine what is or isn’t a target.
The catch here is the anti-cheat has a very hard time telling what the screen capture source is, is it a cheat or is it Discord? Hence the whole “I wasn’t cheating, I was streaming, false positive!!!” Mantra the cheaters go on about when it does get detected.
This removes the need to run the screen capture at an OS level, it potentially gives them a hardware hack.
 
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DukenukemX said:
It is cheating, but done outside of the game itself. This just means that if that monitor is detected by the anti-cheat, then you're banned from playing the game.
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Looks like an opportunity to make a hardware EDID obfuscation chain device so it appears as a Dell 3007WFP. kek
 
sharknice said:
As shown the monitor's only input is a video signal and it's only output is a video signal. So unless it can get or transmit data some other way like USB it isn't going to be useful for any real cheats, it's just goint be modifying the UI with information already available to the player. People won't be able to aimbot, wallhack, etc.
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I2C is used for digital non-video communication on monitors (in the AUX channel on DisplayPort). Technically you could interface that with software to make an aimbot with AI player detection which tells the mouse to aim/click on the hitboxes. It doesn't need to be high bandwidth, just a simple coordinate push of small data packets. It would require you to dump the monitor firmware, mod it, and reflash it though.
 
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Lakados said:
Love this video, I am tired of seeing the whole "well if they coded their game better the cheaters couldn't cheat" argument, none of those cheats there are even attempting to exploit the game, the closest it gets to exploiting code is done by people actively rooting their systems and loading drivers from some sketchy places and hoping it doesn't crypto mine on the side. Most are using external hardware mimicking actual hardware while using screen capture devices to serve as the input for the cheating devices.
This monitor gives them easier access to the screen output at a potentially lower latency.
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The cheats are so sophisticated now that they go beyond software. Very similar to the MSI monitor where the cheat lives outside the system. There are so many layers to these cheats that ultimately it seems cheating will win. I linked the part where they show they now use hardware to cheat. DMA cheats work outside the OS and CPU, and use another PC. Something like an RPi would do. The image can then be put on a second monitor or even overlayed on your monitors screen. Not exactly like how MSI Monitors cheat, but far more effective.

View: https://youtu.be/RwzIq04vd0M?t=1403
The monitor itself isn't exactly a cheat, but I give it 3 days on the retail market before somebody is posting online how they modified theirs to be the best cheating tool they've ever had with a video of them using it a link to a detailed guide on how they did it to for $10.
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I doubt it, but this does show how companies like MSI and Logitech could make devices that cater to people who want to cheat but can't be detected. We see that the Chinese market is already catering to these individuals by making expensive hardware, so why wouldn't western hardware companies get in on the action? A mouse that auto clicks when an enemy is detected? A monitor that feeds visual data back to the mouse seems like something I could see companies make in the future. The worst part is that these hardware cheats also work on console. These cheap micro controller aim bots even come in Wifu flavor. Good luck having anti-cheat catch these guys.

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1) this isnt AI
2) this is possible with any screen
3) may get you banned.
 
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