14900KS coming with new boards same 1700 socket TechYES video

I'm going to pick up the 14500 or 14700F since it has more cores and lower temps there is stuff like the i5 13400f but has less cores. I'll see if the Refresh CPU comes with a Intel stock cooler. I don't mind my Noctua but it's so big so It takes away from my build.

I just want something that runs cooler where I can ditch the Noctua.
 
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I'm going to pick up the 14500 or 14700F since it has more cores and lower temps there is stuff like the i5 13400f but has less cores. I'll see if the Refresh CPU comes with a Intel stock cooler. I don't mind my Noctua but it's so big so It takes away from my build.

I just want something that runs cooler where I can ditch the Noctua.
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I suggest that instead of buying a new CPU you invest some time into fixing your current PC.
 
Comixbooks said:
Only some games crash it I don't think it's hardware related after I researched some more.
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I had a game constantly CTD or lock my system. Tweaking the memory has fixed it. ASUS 790 MB. I have 4-5 XMP/memory settings in BIOS and it crashed using any. I set XMP1 and dropped the transfer speed to 7600 from 7800. Other settings untouched. No crashes.

In my case I'm still not sure if it's the ram, MB or memory controller. I'm going to swap to a 14th gen cpu later this year. Hoping the controller is a little better and can take the higher speed ram setting.
 
Comixbooks said:
Only some games crash it I don't think it's hardware related after I researched some more.
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IMO opinion, a crash which you have to wait for a "cool down" period, to be qbke to start your computer again: may be a ppwer supply issue.

Im not saying "definitely". But, thats something I would focus on, initially.

It can also be RAM, if you are running reqlly high speed DDR5....
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I had a game constantly CTD or lock my system. Tweaking the memory has fixed it. ASUS 790 MB. I have 4-5 XMP/memory settings in BIOS and it crashed using any. I set XMP1 and dropped the transfer speed to 7600 from 7800. Other settings untouched. No crashes.

In my case I'm still not sure if it's the ram, MB or memory controller. I'm going to swap to a 14th gen cpu later this year. Hoping the controller is a little better and can take the higher speed ram setting.
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...DDR5 is very temp sensitive. I think it's somewhere around 70c, that really high speeds can fail. Dropping to 7600 may have kept it under a temp threshold. Especially if it coincided with a voltage drop.
The closer you get to 8000, the more likely you need an intake fan blowing right in the memory. And the RAM should have thermal tape on all the components. Some brands do not tape the PMIC.

G.Skill is infamous for not taping the PMIC on their DDR5.
 
Piecing my system. I have Godlike Z790 and Rtx 3090ti so far. Going for 14900K or KS (If released). Ram will be 2 sticks of 48gb ram. Hoping better memory controller on 14 series is slight improvement. Also Pcie5 psu and new case.
 
chameleoneel said:
IMO opinion, a crash which you have to wait for a "cool down" period, to be qbke to start your computer again: may be a ppwer supply issue.

Im not saying "definitely". But, thats something I would focus on, initially.

It can also be RAM, if you are running reqlly high speed DDR5....

...DDR5 is very temp sensitive. I think it's somewhere around 70c, that really high speeds can fail. Dropping to 7600 may have kept it under a temp threshold. Especially if it coincided with a voltage drop.
The closer you get to 8000, the more likely you need an intake fan blowing right in the memory. And the RAM should have thermal tape on all the components. Some brands do not tape the PMIC.

G.Skill is infamous for not taping the PMIC on their DDR5.
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Oh wow didn't know that about DDR 5 temps being volatile do you think 6000mhz is a safe bet?
 
chameleoneel said:
...DDR5 is very temp sensitive. I think it's somewhere around 70c, that really high speeds can fail. Dropping to 7600 may have kept it under a temp threshold. Especially if it coincided with a voltage drop.
The closer you get to 8000, the more likely you need an intake fan blowing right in the memory. And the RAM should have thermal tape on all the components. Some brands do not tape the PMIC.

G.Skill is infamous for not taping the PMIC on their DDR5.
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One more reason to use ECC RAM so that you get warnings when things start to go bad.
 
ChronoDetector said:
I'm rather surprised to see LGA 1700 has three generations of support, because Intel usually supports only two generations or only 1 on a single socket or chipset family.
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This is shocking... surprised they didn't make LGA 1700 obsolete and throw one more pin in the mix for LGA 1701..
Please think of the starving shareholders!!!
 
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Oh wow didn't know that about DDR 5 temps being volatile do you think 6000mhz is a safe bet?
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6000 is fine.

Temps don't become an issue until you start going past like 7400mhz and/or need 4.5 or more on the main voltages.

And keep in mind you typically need a z790/b760 board, to even get past 6800mhz.
 
Boring launch he's under NDA so can't say much yet. I'm just going to upgrade to Z790 and drop in my existing 13700K and use DDR5 Corsair. Way cheaper than buying a Z790 X a 14700K and new motherboard which may have a slight premium.Next upgrade will be Meteor Lake for me hoping my Noctua coolers will come with a upgraded bracket.
I'm wondering if all these extra ecores will case problems for gaming.
 
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I'm rather surprised to see LGA 1700 has three generations of support, because Intel usually supports only two generations or only 1 on a single socket or chipset family.
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I wouldn't be surprised if this was because Meteor Lake S got canceled. Throw more watts at Raptor Lake, get 200MHz more speed (and a few models with more cores) and call it a day. Gotta feed the OEMs.
 
scoundrel said:
Will we see 14th gen running in the same previous 1700 socket but, actually, a "new" one, incompatible with the two previous gens, like 6th/7th and 8th/9th?
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No.

My Asus Z690-F already has a BIOS update saying "support next generation Intel processors" (meaning 14th, as it was already updated to support 13th).

Edit: whoops, didn't realize this thread was as old as it was.
 
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It can also be RAM, if you are running reqlly high speed DDR5....

...DDR5 is very temp sensitive. I think it's somewhere around 70c, that really high speeds can fail. Dropping to 7600 may have kept it under a temp threshold. Especially if it coincided with a voltage drop.
The closer you get to 8000, the more likely you need an intake fan blowing right in the memory. And the RAM should have thermal tape on all the components. Some brands do not tape the PMIC.

G.Skill is infamous for not taping the PMIC on their DDR5.
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I watched a vid last week where the journalist described the exact same issue I have on a similar system and turns out he traced it to Easy Anti Cheat. Memtest was not able to detect an issue with his system but games running EAC will randomly crash. EAC won't help trouble shoot the issue, not unusual for anti cheat companies, so you just play the game for a bit, sometimes not long, sometimes a bit longer and wait to crash. So, his assumption is EAC is detecting a change in the memory state during gameplay and crashing the game with an error, not a cheat flag, that is not actually a hardware error. Or, EAC may be triggering an error in memory undetectable with regular memory testing tools.
 
1_rick said:
No.

My Asus Z690-F already has a BIOS update saying "support next generation Intel processors" (meaning 14th, as it was already updated to support 13th).

Edit: whoops, didn't realize this thread was as old as it was.
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I just updated it this mourning when derbaur uploaded the new video. Whatever he says I believe lol. He basically said it's a 13900KS which I have lol
 
Amazon service sucks I placed a order this is 2nd or 3rd time for a Z790 motherboard suppose to be here tommorow hasn't shipped yet.
Last time I was able to get a refund and it showed up a week later for a 13700K. It just seems for PC parts I have problems with but they want to delay them and send them for free go right ahead. Ordered this over the Amazon sale from last week. Everything else shows up on time except for PC parts they must have them behind a locked cage or something.
 
KickAssCop said:
So who is buying what tomorrow?
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Unfortunately, its looking like the 14 series and basically just a rebadge with very little performance increases. I have a board that I could plop one of these into but honestly I am really underwhelmed.
 
Still planning to get a 14700K for my Z690 DDR5 board at the first price drop.
 
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Unfortunately, its looking like the 14 series and basically just a rebadge with very little performance increases. I have a board that I could plop one of these into but honestly I am really underwhelmed.
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The i7 looks like a decent upgrade from, say, a prior i5, what with the extra 4 E-cores over the i7-13700K. It'd be like adding an entire i5-1235U to my 12600K. All those e-cores are easy to sneer at from a gamer perspective but they do a great job of keeping background tasks from interfering with whatever you're doing, and as a Russian general might have once said, quantity has a quality all its own.
 
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The i7 looks like a decent upgrade from, say, a prior i5, what with the extra 4 E-cores over the i7-13700K. It'd be like adding an entire i5-1235U to my 12600K. All those e-cores are easy to sneer at from a gamer perspective but they do a great job of keeping background tasks from interfering with whatever you're doing, and as a Russian general might have once said, quantity has a quality all its own.
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Yeah, there are probably a subset of folks that it will be a decent upgrade for. From my perspective, it's more heat with very little performance increase.
 
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Yeah, there are probably a subset of folks that it will be a decent upgrade for. From my perspective, it's more heat with very little performance increase.
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Oh, yeah, it definitely isn't for people with recent-generation comparable models, which is why I'm considering the step up from i5 to i7--I'd already decided the 4 e-cores of the 13600K didn't add enough to be worth it, and the 14600K doesn't add anything meaningful to that equation.

I'm not sure I'll bother with it, either--Meteor Lake or whatever the next desktop version--Alpine? CBA to look it up--might be better upgrades.
 
Just watched the Hardware unboxed video what a waste of time. I think the only positive it accept faster Ram. Intel is crazy releasing this with just a little bump. I didn't watch software benchmarks I suppose those are better
 
I'm guessing Intel simply just wanted to release a new gen this year but meteor lake/arrow lake isn't ready for the desktop yet so they ended up releasing a mild raptor lake refresh just for the sake of pure marketing reasons.

14th gen doesn't compel me at all to upgrade from my 13700K. I'll just wait for Arrow Lake.
 
What is the new model sku of z790 boards?
I thought it was Z790x but nothing is showing up.
 
lopoetve said:
I'm debating. The 10900k is at the 3 years since built mark in July, and I'd kinda like to upgrade, but at the same time this is just a refresh...
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The changes made from the 12 series forward have been some of the biggest leaps in recent memory. I think Apple not using Intel anymore and creating their own chips had something to do with it. Intel has been resting on their laurels for way too long now and are finally releasing some great silicon these days. But if your current CPU is doing everything you need it to do performance-wise, there's absolutely no reason to upgrade right now.

Edit: Also, I just realized I'm responding to an old arse post. The point still remains the same, though.
 
Shoganai said:
The changes made from the 12 series forward have been some of the biggest leaps in recent memory. I think Apple not using Intel anymore and creating their own chips had something to do with it. Intel has been resting on their laurels for way too long now and are finally releasing some great silicon these days. But if your current CPU is doing everything you need it to do performance-wise, there's absolutely no reason to upgrade right now.

Edit: Also, I just realized I'm responding to an old arse post. The point still remains the same, though.
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Hah yeah. I've played with them - have a 12900 non-K in a mobile "workstation" (NUC Extreme) that is a great chip. But they're not a huge boost for gaming really compared to GPUs (and I'm not limited currently in what I run), and the E cores aren't useful for most of my workloads making them still 8C chips (heavy virtualization and nested virt).
 
lopoetve said:
Hah yeah. I've played with them - have a 12900 non-K in a mobile "workstation" (NUC Extreme) that is a great chip. But they're not a huge boost for gaming really compared to GPUs (and I'm not limited currently in what I run), and the E cores aren't useful for most of my workloads making them still 8C chips (heavy virtualization and nested virt).
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Not a huge boost? Techpowerup says a 14700k averages out to a 30% increase in gaming over a 10900k. That's huge for an averaged increase.
 
Shoganai said:
The changes made from the 12 series forward have been some of the biggest leaps in recent memory. I think Apple not using Intel anymore and creating their own chips had something to do with it. Intel has been resting on their laurels for way too long now and are finally releasing some great silicon these days. But if your current CPU is doing everything you need it to do performance-wise, there's absolutely no reason to upgrade right now.

Edit: Also, I just realized I'm responding to an old arse post. The point still remains the same, though.
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Ryzen is the reason Intel's CPUs kick ass, now.
 
Just built my PC royale Pita mainly built it for DDR took me about 10 hours Software was the biggest slog.
I did a Superposition Benchmark and Min Frames rates are way up but it doesn't detect my Ram since the Benchmark is so old.

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This is the biggest breakthough for Z790 boards these modern oversized cards the ASUS boards anyway it Pops out the card like 6-7 inches behind the card best thing since screwless M.2 drives
 
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