But the 3090 was a terrible perf by dollars, beating it mean nothing, why does it matter that it perform like a 3090 to brush a portrait of its value, look at an array of optionsWhy? It performs like a 3090. Again, perf not names.
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But the 3090 was a terrible perf by dollars, beating it mean nothing, why does it matter that it perform like a 3090 to brush a portrait of its value, look at an array of optionsWhy? It performs like a 3090. Again, perf not names.
Sounds like both are good deals to me!The new $1600 card is 60% faster than the old $1500 card.
The new $800 card is 20% faster than the old $700 card.
Hello. You're the one who keeps saying 3090, 3090, 3090.
See TaintedSquirrel 's post if you want to compare prices . Personally I decide how much perf I need and buy it unless I can't afford it.But the 3090 was a terrible perf by dollars, beating it mean nothing, why does it matter that it perform like a 3090 to brush a portrait of its value, look at an array of options
The 3080 was like 50% faster than the card it replaced at the same price.Sounds like both are good deals to me!
Worse doesn't mean bad. It's still a marked improvement. EDIT: It also has dlss 3 which is a performance multiplier, already starting to show up in demanding games.The 3080 was like 50% faster than the card it replaced at the same price.
Typical gen improvements are 30%+ with no price increase. Nvidia is only giving us 20% this time with an extra $100.
It's a bad deal compared to the 4090 and it's a bad deal compared to past generations except maybe the 2080 vs 1080 Ti.
Why? It performs like a 3090. Again, perf not names.
Stop getting so hung up on the name and focus on the performance/pricing .
It did? The 4070ti is going to be far faster than the 3070 was. They aren't anywhere near the same level of performance.That is why I posted the prices. The same level of performance went from around $500 to $800-1000. Inflation isn't near that high.
It did? The 4070ti is going to be far faster than the 3070 was. They aren't anywhere near the same level of performance.
Not sure if the 3070 was really still $500 too, even to this day they would be hard to find at the price point
The 3070 Ti was 64% faster than the 2070 FE for 0% more money.It did? The 4070ti is going to be far faster than the 3070 was. They aren't anywhere near the same level of performance.
I understand what you're saying but the 3000 series received new msrps.The new $1600 card is 60% faster than the old $1500 card.
The new $800 card is 20% faster than the old $700 card.
Hello. You're the one who keeps saying 3090, 3090, 3090.
If I could buy a 4090 FE, I'd call that a good deal even at $1,600 - the performance is just spectacular.I understand what you're saying but the 3000 series received new msrps.
3090/Tis were going for $1000-1100 until Nvidia and AIBs sold through the stock. That shows Nvidia overcharged us on the 3090.
So the new MSRP $999 3090 made the 4090 60% more expensive. We paid for the performance increase.
None of us are getting a great deal on anything from Nvidia.
The 3070 Ti was 64% faster than the 2070 FE for 0% more money.
$500 was the AIB base price, $600 was the FE. Did any AIB model actually target the $500 price?I think the 3070ti MSRP was $600. 2070 was $500.
We'll really have to see how the 4070 non-Ti does. Seeing how big of a performance difference there is between the 4080 and 4070ti, there may be a big performance gap between those as well. But I'm not seeing a $300-500 price drop either from a 4070tis $800-1000. If you're into a 2560x1440 gaming, things are going to become a lot more expensive.
$500 was the AIB base price, $600 was the FE. Did any AIB model actually target the $500 price?
For a week or 3 sure.$500 was the AIB base price, $600 was the FE. Did any AIB model actually target the $500 price?
Well, here it is: nVidia made the $799 4070 Ti official today at CES: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/ces-2023-live-blog
Forget performance/pricing. Look at the die used and the rest of the spec and the 4070 Ti starts looking more like a 60-class card. One that they originally try to brand as a 4080, and now are trying to get away with calling it a 70-class.192-bit card for $800. Joke. 3090 is a 4k card. This 40"7"0 Ti is probably at best a 1440p card.Stop getting so hung up on the name and focus on the performance/pricing .
I don't know if 60 class card is quite right, from the performance leaks so far the 4070TI is on par with the 3090TI, plus or minus 7%. I can't really think of any cases where the next generation 60 class was on par with the previous generation top tier (90/Titan/80TI)Forget performance/pricing. Look at the die used and the rest of the spec and the 4070 Ti starts looking more like a 60-class card. One that they originally try to brand as a 4080, and now are trying to get away with calling it a 70-class.192-bit card for $800. Joke. 3090 is a 4k card. This 40"7"0 Ti is probably at best a 1440p card.
Yeah, just saw the microcenter facebook post from a few minutes ago stating they are starting at $799.Well, here it is: nVidia made the $799 4070 Ti official today at CES: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/ces-2023-live-blog
Performs better than 3090ti at 4k. Who cares about the bus width between architectures? Bandwidth and architecture matter.Forget performance/pricing. Look at the die used and the rest of the spec and the 4070 Ti starts looking more like a 60-class card. One that they originally try to brand as a 4080, and now are trying to get away with calling it a 70-class.192-bit card for $800. Joke. 3090 is a 4k card. This 40"7"0 Ti is probably at best a 1440p card.
Nope. 3070 ti was $599, 2070 FE was $499.The 3070 Ti was 64% faster than the 2070 FE for 0% more money.
3070 Ti is $100 more, plus MSRP didn't matter for the past 2 years, and still doesn't. Quick look on Amazon shows they're selling for $750 or more. On Ebay you can find them for less than $500, but that's much of a discount for a used mining GPU. I can see why the RTX 3070's are popular and not the Ti's.The 3070 Ti was 64% faster than the 2070 FE for 0% more money.
800%+ value!The more you spend the more you save!
For $700, Nvidia won't sell many. RTX 3070's are going for sub $400 used on Ebay.Here is hoping it has slow sales but I am doubtful.
Maybe... but I'd probably take a $700 4070TI over a $900 7900xt3070 Ti is $100 more, plus MSRP didn't matter for the past 2 years, and still doesn't. Quick look on Amazon shows they're selling for $750 or more. On Ebay you can find them for less than $500, but that's much of a discount for a used mining GPU. I can see why the RTX 3070's are popular and not the Ti's.
800%+ value!
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For $700, Nvidia won't sell many. RTX 3070's are going for sub $400 used on Ebay.
Leaving all opinions regarding pricing aside this right here is a problem for AMD. Once the reviews are out the street price for performance for these two cards is something to consider.Maybe... but I'd probably take a $700 4070TI over a $900 7900xt
Leaks show the 4070 TI pairing up against the 3090 TI plus or minus 7%, the 7900XT does about the same, so chances are in most use cases they are going to be about equal so it's going to come down to street pricing. The 7900xt has managed to stay around that $900 mark, as long as the 4070ti manages to stay below there it should be a clear winner.Leaving all opinions regarding pricing aside this right here is a problem for AMD. Once the reviews are out the street price for performance for these two cards is something to consider.
Not to mention Nvidia's advantages in raytracing, dlss, nvenc, Cuda, etc. 4070ti is the clear winner.Leaks show the 4070 TI pairing up against the 3090 TI plus or minus 7%, the 7900XT does about the same, so chances are in most use cases they are going to be about equal so it's going to come down to street pricing. The 7900xt has managed to stay around that $900 mark, as long as the 4070ti manages to stay below there it should be a clear winner.
And driver stability, and frequent patches, I was trying not to sound too team green, but assuming the performance leaks are accurate then it really is going to force AMD to respond. Which they can, they have been bragging about how their new chiplet design saves them so much money they can afford to bring them down in line.Not to mention Nvidia's advantages in raytracing, dlss, nvenc, Cuda, etc. 4070ti is the clear winner.
Yep... I have only ever had one major problem with Nvidia and that was the 3.5gb stuff 8+ years ago. Amd has burnt me every time I try them, even with a handful of issues on the 9700 pro way back when.And driver stability, and frequent patches, I was trying not to sound too team green, but assuming the performance leaks are accurate then it really is going to force AMD to respond. Which they can, they have been bragging about how their new chiplet design saves them so much money they can afford to bring them down in line.
I've been silent about this for a while now, but it's been bothering me almost since the release. How can people tout the cost saving of chiplet and celebrate a company releasing a $1K GPU? A GPU that has had so many issues and drama no less.Which they can, they have been bragging about how their new chiplet design saves them so much money they can afford to bring them down in line.
As sad as it is, Nvidia forced that price on AMD. Had they sold it for less, say $500 the bulk of us would never see that card at that price, bots would gobble it up faster than we could refresh a page and flip them on Amazon with the price parity of the 3090TI's. Had it been posted less that price would only remain the price for as long as AMD had the capability of supplying the bot demand, which they can't, and when they fail and the price gets put to $800 on the 3'rd party retailers then AMD has fans complaining that they cant get a card while they have investors threatening lawsuits because AMD "undervalued" its product, it is a loose loose scenario.I've been silent about this for a while now, but it's been bothering me almost since the release. How can people tout the cost saving of chiplet and celebrate a company releasing a $1K GPU? A GPU that has had so many issues and drama no less.
GPU pricing is just such a shit show. We can only pray it comes back to sane pricing at some point. I consider myself lucky to be running a 3070, and I'll hold on to dear life until a sanely priced replacement gets released.
I just look at what is available at the time, what it does and careless about the name or even who made it. Agree with you on buying performance but not limited to one brand. Then again having a variety can give you the benefits of like both AMD and Nvidia.Yep... I have only ever had one major problem with Nvidia and that was the 3.5gb stuff 8+ years ago. Amd has burnt me every time I try them, even with a handful of issues on the 9700 pro way back when.
I have little shame in my preference for Nvidia, just as some have even less shame for worshipping amd while decrying everything Nvidia ever does. Noticing that amd fans tend to be a lot more negative on Nvidia than vice versa. My attitude is live and let live unless it's a lie (or lying by omission) about Nvidia stuff
Yep... I have only ever had one major problem with Nvidia and that was the 3.5gb stuff 8+ years ago. Amd has burnt me every time I try them, even with a handful of issues on the 9700 pro way back when.
I have little shame in my preference for Nvidia, just as some have even less shame for worshipping amd while decrying everything Nvidia ever does. Noticing that amd fans tend to be a lot more negative on Nvidia than vice versa. My attitude is live and let live unless it's a lie (or lying by omission) about Nvidia stuff
I had 7900gt and then 8800gt sli on Vista but I had no issues thankfully.Nvdia drivers from the 2007-2009 era were trash though. May have been a Vista thing. Once they sorted them out, it was great ever since. Have a few problems here and there but generally very stable.
ATI/AMD always had some more shortcomings and lagged on the software aspect. Last ATI/AMD card I owned was an X700 Pro 256MB though. Seems like driver quality increased but clearly, Nvidia comes out with better technology and software and AMD is always playing catch up. Gsync, DLSS, ray tracing. AMD is always a generation behind in implementation of those.
It was a Vista thing that forced Nvidia to make last-minute revisions to key parts of the API which resulted in a nightmare.Nvdia drivers from the 2007-2009 era were trash though. May have been a Vista thing. Once they sorted them out, it was great ever since. Have a few problems here and there but generally very stable.
ATI/AMD always had some more shortcomings and lagged on the software aspect. Last ATI/AMD card I owned was an X700 Pro 256MB though. Seems like driver quality increased but clearly, Nvidia comes out with better technology and software and AMD is always playing catch up. Gsync, DLSS, ray tracing. AMD is always a generation behind in implementation of those.